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FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
October 04 2012 16:31 GMT
#1761
On October 03 2012 19:31 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 12:32 Xanbatou wrote:
Darkmoon sucks T.T. I love the idea of it, but none of my invasions have ever been successful.


try going to the usual hotspots.

Oolacile township
Darkroot Garden
Kiln of the first flame

I am not a Darkmoon but I was able to invade people there all the time.


If you want pure PvP you're better off with Darkwraith's, Darkmoon odds of landing an invasion are lower.

That said, I would like to take this opportunity to remind people to always have indictments on hand and to use them when applicable, not neccesarily because you despise the invader who killed you but it helps the Darkmoon get their invasions off as well. (:
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
October 04 2012 21:11 GMT
#1762
Alright so i found this pretty sweet havel armor in this obscure hidden basement........but I can't seem to run or dodge with it and walk really slow. I'm guessing it needs a certain stat leveled high? I didn't see any parameter things when I info'd it. What stat minimum do I need to be able to run int his?
Hark!
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
October 04 2012 21:14 GMT
#1763
On October 05 2012 06:11 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Alright so i found this pretty sweet havel armor in this obscure hidden basement........but I can't seem to run or dodge with it and walk really slow. I'm guessing it needs a certain stat leveled high? I didn't see any parameter things when I info'd it. What stat minimum do I need to be able to run int his?


Armor has no requirements, only weight, your maximum weight load is boosted by the Endurance stat though I don't recommend ever pumping that past 40.
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
October 04 2012 21:27 GMT
#1764
On October 05 2012 06:14 FlamingForce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 06:11 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Alright so i found this pretty sweet havel armor in this obscure hidden basement........but I can't seem to run or dodge with it and walk really slow. I'm guessing it needs a certain stat leveled high? I didn't see any parameter things when I info'd it. What stat minimum do I need to be able to run int his?


Armor has no requirements, only weight, your maximum weight load is boosted by the Endurance stat though I don't recommend ever pumping that past 40.

Okay, that was the problem, I unequipped a shield I had and I could ran fast.

As a bandit (i'm not sure if it makes a difference) should I be maxing str/vit over everything else and then put some pts into endurance/dex? That's what I've been doing.
Hark!
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 04 2012 21:36 GMT
#1765
Vit isn't massively important beyond a certain level. Endurance is usually the stat I get to 40~ after the primary stat booster my chosen style scales with (str or dex). Vit comes after.

Endurance is really important to level early.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
October 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#1766
On October 05 2012 06:27 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 06:14 FlamingForce wrote:
On October 05 2012 06:11 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Alright so i found this pretty sweet havel armor in this obscure hidden basement........but I can't seem to run or dodge with it and walk really slow. I'm guessing it needs a certain stat leveled high? I didn't see any parameter things when I info'd it. What stat minimum do I need to be able to run int his?


Armor has no requirements, only weight, your maximum weight load is boosted by the Endurance stat though I don't recommend ever pumping that past 40.

Okay, that was the problem, I unequipped a shield I had and I could ran fast.

As a bandit (i'm not sure if it makes a difference) should I be maxing str/vit over everything else and then put some pts into endurance/dex? That's what I've been doing.


Starting class makes almost no difference whatsoever. I would recommend focusing on vit(40-50) and endurance(40) first, then either str or dex but not both of them. No weapons will scale reasonably off of both stats, so raising both str and dex isn't very helpful. If you want big heavy weapons that will stun enemies/players and always do great damage, go str. If you want fast weapons you can poke in and out with and recover quickly(but won't stagger), go dex. If you are going str, good stopping points for dex are at 12,14(almost all weapons), and 18(black knight weapons). All stats shouldn't go above 40-50 due to diminishing returns, and never ever ever get resistance, it's useless.

With weight, there are 4 different speeds for running. Over 100% is possible to equip, but you can't run or roll. Between 100% and 50% is slow run speed. Between 50% and 25% is medium run speed. Under 25% is fastest run speed. There are actually technically several different roll speeds(for instance, in medium rolls there is from 50% to 37.5% and 37.5% to 25% tier, several tiers for fast rolls), though you don't really need to worry about them more than just saying slow medium and fast roll, there's not much difference between them.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 22:11:54
October 04 2012 22:08 GMT
#1767
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.
Hark!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 04 2012 23:27 GMT
#1768
On October 05 2012 07:08 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.

I still can't beat them FFS
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
October 04 2012 23:42 GMT
#1769
On October 05 2012 08:27 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 07:08 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.

I still can't beat them FFS


It's for when you feel like grinding to 50 STR lol

I dunno what's considered "good" at O/S, when I arrive there I always start farming tit.chunks for +14 gear
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 01:06:04
October 05 2012 00:51 GMT
#1770
On October 05 2012 07:08 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.


Dragonking greataxe is pretty fun, especially with it's special attack(large aoe that takes all of your stamina to block, probably the strongest attack in the game), but like most dragon weapons it doesn't scale with stats. I don't know if this is still the case, but on console it was also one of the only unique weapons that could be buffed.

A lot of the big str weapons can have high requirements, 32-50, smoughs hammer has 58 but it's not the most useful. For good scaling on heavy weapons that support it most people go to at least 40 sometimes 50 though diminishing returns start after 40, so 50 str isn't uncommon in builds. Past 40 dex doesn't really give enough scaling to be worth it.

Zweihander is a really popular weapon, due to how quickly it's obtainable, relatively low requirements(can 2 hand at 16), and really, really long reach it has. People often go lightning with it because the scaling isn't good though. Once your str gets to higher levels some other heavy weapons do better in damage, but the zwei will always have that awesome reach, even if it does take a lot of stamina to use. It'll pretty much always be a good/great weapon, just not necessarily an excellent one. My current high str char(50) was using zweihander for a long time, but now is using demon's great machete, demon's greataxe, and large club interchangebly depending on what I'm feeling, they all have great scaling, a or s(demon's greataxe), fun movesets, and not too far apart in damage. I may play around with stone greatsword and do some stone knight roleplaying with him at some point.

Also ornstein and smough isn't so much hard because they are hard bosses, but because there are two of them.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#1771
On October 05 2012 09:51 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 07:08 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.


Dragonking greataxe is pretty fun, especially with it's special attack(large aoe that takes all of your stamina to block, probably the strongest attack in the game), but like most dragon weapons it doesn't scale with stats. I don't know if this is still the case, but on console it was also one of the only unique weapons that could be buffed.

A lot of the big str weapons can have high requirements, 36-50, smoughs hammer has 58 but it's not the most useful. For good scaling on heavy weapons that support it most people go to at least 40 sometimes 50 though diminishing returns start after 40, so 50 str isn't uncommon in builds. Past 40 dex doesn't really give enough scaling to be worth it.

Zweihander is a really popular weapon, due to how quickly it's obtainable, relatively low requirements(can 2 hand at 16), and really, really long reach it has. People often go lightning with it because the scaling isn't good though. Once your str gets to higher levels some other heavy weapons do better in damage, but the zwei will always have that awesome reach, even if it does take a lot of stamina to use. It'll pretty much always be a good/great weapon, just not necessarily an excellent one.

Also ornstein and smough isn't so much hard because they are hard bosses, but because there are two of them.

Yeah, when I try them and am tired some tries I won't even get a single hit to land :/
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
October 05 2012 10:51 GMT
#1772
On October 05 2012 09:58 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 09:51 Fyrewolf wrote:
On October 05 2012 07:08 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Hey thanks a ton for the information, that's incredibly useful especially for my next playthrough.

I feel dirty, I had humanity and saw some summon signs, summoned a couple guys one of them with some OP stuff. We went to the boss (Ornstein and Smough) and one shotted them. I remember hearing they were one of the hardest bosses in the game so I feel kinda cheap not having solo'd them. I'll have to do that in my next playthrough

Also what's with the dragonking great axe? It has a 50 str requirement, that's insane! I'm guessing it's for later in the game or NG+?

Also is Zweihander +5 good for me right now? That's what I've been using for the longest time.


Dragonking greataxe is pretty fun, especially with it's special attack(large aoe that takes all of your stamina to block, probably the strongest attack in the game), but like most dragon weapons it doesn't scale with stats. I don't know if this is still the case, but on console it was also one of the only unique weapons that could be buffed.

A lot of the big str weapons can have high requirements, 36-50, smoughs hammer has 58 but it's not the most useful. For good scaling on heavy weapons that support it most people go to at least 40 sometimes 50 though diminishing returns start after 40, so 50 str isn't uncommon in builds. Past 40 dex doesn't really give enough scaling to be worth it.

Zweihander is a really popular weapon, due to how quickly it's obtainable, relatively low requirements(can 2 hand at 16), and really, really long reach it has. People often go lightning with it because the scaling isn't good though. Once your str gets to higher levels some other heavy weapons do better in damage, but the zwei will always have that awesome reach, even if it does take a lot of stamina to use. It'll pretty much always be a good/great weapon, just not necessarily an excellent one.

Also ornstein and smough isn't so much hard because they are hard bosses, but because there are two of them.

Yeah, when I try them and am tired some tries I won't even get a single hit to land :/


You must be doing something fundamentally wrong, because you should eventually start to figure out when you can hit Ornstein and when you should block or run away. The first thing you do is get behind a pillar and wait for Ornstein to come near you, then you target him and keep him near you at all times, meanwhile you always make sure that Smough is behind a pillar. As long as Smough is behind a pillar, you can start thinking about damaging Ornstein. This is a long battle, so don't ever get impatient.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
October 05 2012 11:08 GMT
#1773
Smough and Ornstein get much easier if you summon Solaire and have something that deals fire damage. Especially pyromancy is very effective against Ornstein when you got Solaire to ttank him in the beginning
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
October 05 2012 15:32 GMT
#1774
If you're trying to take down smough first so you can get leo ring and ornsteins armor(which is way cooler than smoughs armor) it can still be a pretty annoying fight. Smough is a little tricky sometimes to dodge, though not too difficult, but ornstein can dash from anywhere and around pillars to hit you and screw you up easily.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
October 05 2012 17:22 GMT
#1775
true. I think epicnamebro did a video on the S/O fight where he killed Smough first. So if somebody wants to try that it's a good help.
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
October 07 2012 20:13 GMT
#1776
I still can't get over this controller vs mouse/keyboard debate, I played Dark Souls on my friend's 360 today and I can't believe poeple actually prefer that kinda thing.
Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
October 07 2012 22:05 GMT
#1777
Okay so I have two weapons at +5 I guess regular damage each? How do I make them lightning weapons? I read about the giant black smith but he doesn't give me the option. I have titanite chunks up the wazoo and like 10 of each titanite color. I HAVE SO MUCH TITANITE. How do I spend it, damnit!
Hark!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
October 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#1778
On October 08 2012 05:13 FlamingForce wrote:
I still can't get over this controller vs mouse/keyboard debate, I played Dark Souls on my friend's 360 today and I can't believe poeple actually prefer that kinda thing.


I really don't like the xbox controller for it, much prefer ps3 controller, as the shoulder buttons feel better for this kind of thing. I have no problem with how the keyboard controls are anyway though.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 22:19:49
October 07 2012 22:18 GMT
#1779
Ive been using a playstation 2 controller. Many consider this controller to be the best one that has ever been engineered.

I use this.

http://www.amazon.com/USB-Adapter-PC-Playstation-1-2/dp/B000J38IZW

But awhile back around Christmas I bought a bunch of these for 3 dollars and FREE SHIPPING.
twitch.tv/medrea
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
October 07 2012 22:19 GMT
#1780
On October 08 2012 05:13 FlamingForce wrote:
I still can't get over this controller vs mouse/keyboard debate, I played Dark Souls on my friend's 360 today and I can't believe poeple actually prefer that kinda thing.

Analog movement for these kind of games are always superior to a keyboard and that is without considering possible poor implementation of the keyboard and mouse controls. It's not difficult to understand.
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