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TimidestConch
Profile Joined August 2012
30 Posts
September 15 2012 00:19 GMT
#1341
On September 15 2012 02:02 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 23:24 Duka08 wrote:
On September 14 2012 17:18 ffreakk wrote:
On September 14 2012 14:12 myopia wrote:
Are all heavy weapons useless for PvP?


Not sure about the Metagame now, but back when i was still playing, Sorcery was a little short of useless imho. Short of ambushing him from a blindspot (which often isn't possible if he is careful), that shit never hits. And in close quarter, a good forward roll rapes u hard. In standard duels (where people bow n stuff) i don't think i ve ever been hit unless i screw up badly. And even then those guys usually are bad and get stomped anw.

Sorcery in vanilla Dark Souls is extremely easy to dodge. I play on console also; however, I've been watching quite a bit of PvP vids from the PC version, and the new Dark sorceries from the "future DLC" content seem much more effective. Mostly just in harder to evade. The new "homing" spell goes very slow but chases like a smart bomb, which means you're forced to use terrain or obstacles to block it, or roll away frantically until the spell fades. There's also a new "spear" type spell that appears to fire a cone of projectiles too, rather than just one directly forward. So the Dark stuff seems to be much more effective. I'm a little afraid myself haha. We'll see. One of the frequent posters in this thread has posted numerous recorded PvP videos, some on a sorcery character, so you can check those out for an idea.


the new dark spells deal physical dmg so they are not that scary


yeah right, stand there and eat a full pursuers...
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#1342
On September 15 2012 08:51 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:27 Duka08 wrote:
On September 15 2012 08:15 crms wrote:
i'm like lv46 or so and have no clue about magic. I don't have 1 spell. I have pyro gloves and I think I have some pyro scrolls but I have no idea how to equip them etc. I try to 'use item' and it doesn't do anything whether i have the gloves on or not. I'll just stick to melee smashin' fools!

I plan to roll a full caster ult on next play through to really learn the system.

When you rest at a bonfire, you go to Attune Magic and choose the spells you want in your slots out of all the ones you've learned


if i have them on a scroll does that mean I've learned them? Can I learn anything I have in my inventory or is it limited?

"On a scroll" is just how the art looks. When you purchase them or pick them up, the icon looks like it's "on a scroll" but that just means you can go to Attune Magic and select a slot, place the spell there, and then cast it however many times with the right tool (catalyst,glove,talisman)
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 01:01:54
September 15 2012 01:00 GMT
#1343
On September 15 2012 06:03 Medrea wrote:
So does applying a buff remove the scaling or do I not have to worry about that?


Applying a buff does not remove scaling, only upgrading can remove scaling(with lightning/fire).

On September 15 2012 06:47 crms wrote:
depends on the buff.

fire/lightning/chaos all remove stat scaling.

divine: adds scaling with faith

crystal: removes? can't remember.

You should look up the weapon you want to upgrade on darksouls wiki for a full stat rundown.


Those are upgrades, not buffs.
Buffs mean any resin (gold/charcoal/rotten), (great/crystal)magic weapon spells, and sunlight/moonlight blade.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 15 2012 01:10 GMT
#1344
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 15 2012 01:20 GMT
#1345
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


On people? Or mobs. I've never seen that on a mob. On people well that's ez. Hack.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 01:32:22
September 15 2012 01:30 GMT
#1346
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


That sounds like some sort of hack.

A backstab can fail though if you take damage at the same time as you start a backstab, and one of you will kind of give a jerk and then fall on your face, while the other can still move around, looks pretty strange when it happens.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
September 15 2012 01:58 GMT
#1347
I got around to getting the PC version. I'm not seeing an issue with the controls like so many people have said. Yea I remapped like 90% of the important keys but I'm not having any issues with mouse and keyboard. But it does seem kind of a lazy port. It runs pretty choppy on super high resolutions and still has same FPS issues as the console version which aren't that major but still....also still the same failed summon, failed invasion problems as the console version -_-. I was hoping for an enhanced version on the PC rather than straight up port. But oh well...its still nice to have one of my fav games on my PC since thats where I do most of my gaming.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 01:58:42
September 15 2012 01:58 GMT
#1348
On September 15 2012 10:20 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


On people? Or mobs. I've never seen that on a mob. On people well that's ez. Hack.

On September 15 2012 10:30 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


That sounds like some sort of hack.

A backstab can fail though if you take damage at the same time as you start a backstab, and one of you will kind of give a jerk and then fall on your face, while the other can still move around, looks pretty strange when it happens.

yeah never happens on a mob, but happens every now and then on people. from time to time i also get the backstab animation fail when one of us take damage as we're doing a backstab and it stops the animation, but a few times i've gone through the whole animation and then it does nothing. another thing i run into (only against people) is when i attack, and i hear the sound that i did infact pierce skin (you hear the blood gushing sound) and no damage is taken by them. is that normal?

On September 15 2012 10:58 antelope591 wrote:
I got around to getting the PC version. I'm not seeing an issue with the controls like so many people have said. Yea I remapped like 90% of the important keys but I'm not having any issues with mouse and keyboard. But it does seem kind of a lazy port. It runs pretty choppy on super high resolutions and still has same FPS issues as the console version which aren't that major but still....also still the same failed summon, failed invasion problems as the console version -_-. I was hoping for an enhanced version on the PC rather than straight up port. But oh well...its still nice to have one of my fav games on my PC since thats where I do most of my gaming.

did you get the res fix mod?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 15 2012 02:02 GMT
#1349
On September 15 2012 10:58 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:20 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


On people? Or mobs. I've never seen that on a mob. On people well that's ez. Hack.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:30 Fyrewolf wrote:
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


That sounds like some sort of hack.

A backstab can fail though if you take damage at the same time as you start a backstab, and one of you will kind of give a jerk and then fall on your face, while the other can still move around, looks pretty strange when it happens.

yeah never happens on a mob, but happens every now and then on people. from time to time i also get the backstab animation fail when one of us take damage as we're doing a backstab and it stops the animation, but a few times i've gone through the whole animation and then it does nothing. another thing i run into (only against people) is when i attack, and i hear the sound that i did infact pierce skin (you hear the blood gushing sound) and no damage is taken by them. is that normal?

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:58 antelope591 wrote:
I got around to getting the PC version. I'm not seeing an issue with the controls like so many people have said. Yea I remapped like 90% of the important keys but I'm not having any issues with mouse and keyboard. But it does seem kind of a lazy port. It runs pretty choppy on super high resolutions and still has same FPS issues as the console version which aren't that major but still....also still the same failed summon, failed invasion problems as the console version -_-. I was hoping for an enhanced version on the PC rather than straight up port. But oh well...its still nice to have one of my fav games on my PC since thats where I do most of my gaming.

did you get the res fix mod?


No most of that is hackers. If you're seeing it physically display the number 0 then it's a hack. Assuming you're not using the broken sword hilt against Havels armor. You might see 0's then.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 02:03:18
September 15 2012 02:03 GMT
#1350
I'm having difficulty backstabbing. I know I'm not that good of a player at it, but is the issue also partially caused by mouse and keyboard control? Can somebody who played both the port and the original with a controller confirm?
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
September 15 2012 02:11 GMT
#1351
On September 15 2012 10:58 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:20 Infernal_dream wrote:
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


On people? Or mobs. I've never seen that on a mob. On people well that's ez. Hack.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:30 Fyrewolf wrote:
On September 15 2012 10:10 Silidons wrote:
what causes a backstab to fail? ex - it goes through whole animation, but does 0 dmg


That sounds like some sort of hack.

A backstab can fail though if you take damage at the same time as you start a backstab, and one of you will kind of give a jerk and then fall on your face, while the other can still move around, looks pretty strange when it happens.

yeah never happens on a mob, but happens every now and then on people. from time to time i also get the backstab animation fail when one of us take damage as we're doing a backstab and it stops the animation, but a few times i've gone through the whole animation and then it does nothing. another thing i run into (only against people) is when i attack, and i hear the sound that i did infact pierce skin (you hear the blood gushing sound) and no damage is taken by them. is that normal?

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:58 antelope591 wrote:
I got around to getting the PC version. I'm not seeing an issue with the controls like so many people have said. Yea I remapped like 90% of the important keys but I'm not having any issues with mouse and keyboard. But it does seem kind of a lazy port. It runs pretty choppy on super high resolutions and still has same FPS issues as the console version which aren't that major but still....also still the same failed summon, failed invasion problems as the console version -_-. I was hoping for an enhanced version on the PC rather than straight up port. But oh well...its still nice to have one of my fav games on my PC since thats where I do most of my gaming.

did you get the res fix mod?


no but thx for letting me know of its existence...will try it now
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 02:47:08
September 15 2012 02:40 GMT
#1352
On September 15 2012 10:58 Silidons wrote:
yeah never happens on a mob, but happens every now and then on people. from time to time i also get the backstab animation fail when one of us take damage as we're doing a backstab and it stops the animation, but a few times i've gone through the whole animation and then it does nothing. another thing i run into (only against people) is when i attack, and i hear the sound that i did infact pierce skin (you hear the blood gushing sound) and no damage is taken by them. is that normal?


Going through the whole backstab animation and doing no damage shouldn't happen unless they hack.

For the sound of hitting, do you mean while they are rolling/dodging? If so, then Yes that happens on near misses where you hear the noise of hitting them but you didn't actually hit them. If you are good at timing that sort of thing to happen to yourself, you can use it to empty a bleed bar, it will say blood loss on your screen and the bar will empty, but you take no damage.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 15 2012 03:32 GMT
#1353
On September 15 2012 11:40 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 10:58 Silidons wrote:
yeah never happens on a mob, but happens every now and then on people. from time to time i also get the backstab animation fail when one of us take damage as we're doing a backstab and it stops the animation, but a few times i've gone through the whole animation and then it does nothing. another thing i run into (only against people) is when i attack, and i hear the sound that i did infact pierce skin (you hear the blood gushing sound) and no damage is taken by them. is that normal?


Going through the whole backstab animation and doing no damage shouldn't happen unless they hack.

For the sound of hitting, do you mean while they are rolling/dodging? If so, then Yes that happens on near misses where you hear the noise of hitting them but you didn't actually hit them. If you are good at timing that sort of thing to happen to yourself, you can use it to empty a bleed bar, it will say blood loss on your screen and the bar will empty, but you take no damage.

i'm not sure if all of them are hacks, sometimes i think it's just lag since they take normal damage (have run in to a few, luckily not in the past few days, of people who never take any dmg).

but thanks for that tip on the bleed, if i could incorporate that in my play it would be nice

On September 15 2012 11:03 dukethegold wrote:
I'm having difficulty backstabbing. I know I'm not that good of a player at it, but is the issue also partially caused by mouse and keyboard control? Can somebody who played both the port and the original with a controller confirm?

you cannot be blocking while performing a backstab - is that your problem?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 15 2012 04:48 GMT
#1354
I am freakin' terrible at PvP.

That is all.
it's my first day
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 15 2012 05:21 GMT
#1355
I use a playstation 2 controller.

I had to use x360ce.exe to remap the axis and some of the buttons though.
twitch.tv/medrea
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
September 15 2012 08:13 GMT
#1356
No backstab damage is not a hack. It happens when the person backstabbing takes a hit at the same time (lag) as the backstab although I think it's mainly an attack which would stagger them.

For instance, backstabbing someone at the same time you get caught in a Wrath of the Gods.
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
September 15 2012 08:54 GMT
#1357
I had a situation where someone was trying to backstab me, I went into animation of backstab, but he was still running around. I took no damage from that.

Anyways, going through NG+, just finished Taurus. Does anyone have suggestion of what stats to take next (I'm plan to stop at lvl 120), I'm not sure if it's worth raising endurance above 40 (but on the other hand, more endurance is never a bad thing), or if I should focus on vitality. My character is a bit of a tank, so I will usually block rather then evade. Str seems useless as my weapon has no scaling (fire zwei+10).

Shield is Sunlight+15, I really love that shield, and what's best, it has the same balance as Black Iron shield+10, but is lighter for about 10 points.

http://i.imgur.com/HG4Ys.jpg
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
September 15 2012 09:59 GMT
#1358
On September 15 2012 17:54 Odoakar wrote:
I had a situation where someone was trying to backstab me, I went into animation of backstab, but he was still running around. I took no damage from that.

Anyways, going through NG+, just finished Taurus. Does anyone have suggestion of what stats to take next (I'm plan to stop at lvl 120), I'm not sure if it's worth raising endurance above 40 (but on the other hand, more endurance is never a bad thing), or if I should focus on vitality. My character is a bit of a tank, so I will usually block rather then evade. Str seems useless as my weapon has no scaling (fire zwei+10).

Shield is Sunlight+15, I really love that shield, and what's best, it has the same balance as Black Iron shield+10, but is lighter for about 10 points.

http://i.imgur.com/HG4Ys.jpg


All endurance will do above 40 is give you 1 more equip load per level and less than 1 bleed resistance, it no longer gives stamina after 40. Equip burden is better raised by havels ring or ring of fap than more endurance points. Vitality is always a good choice, until it's 40(1325) to 50(1500). The stats are really all preference, the only thing you really shouldn't put points into is resistance though, it's utterly futile and just a terrible stat(it only gives fire def and poison resist). Since you are already at 34 str by now it's high enough that you could just go for it as a main stat, two more and you can use black knight greataxe . If you want to cast buffs on your weapon, then just get 40 str and 30 faith(2 more attunement for another slot would put you at 121 then), otherwise I'd suggest 50 vit and 36-40 str. Lvl 120 lets you have enough points for most everything.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
tyner
Profile Joined August 2012
176 Posts
September 15 2012 10:46 GMT
#1359
Man I just got the Giant's Halberd right after the Iron Golem and it's flippin OP. Just 2shotting everything lol.

oh and how does Equip Load affect stamnia and speed? I can't quite tell.
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
September 15 2012 10:56 GMT
#1360
On September 15 2012 19:46 tyner wrote:
Man I just got the Giant's Halberd right after the Iron Golem and it's flippin OP. Just 2shotting everything lol.

oh and how does Equip Load affect stamnia and speed? I can't quite tell.


check this: http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Equip Load
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