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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 13 2012 20:22 GMT
#1301
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
September 13 2012 20:32 GMT
#1302
On September 14 2012 05:22 Silidons wrote:
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?


Well, I don't know how severe it is with you right now, but the ps3 did have issues with that too sometimes, maybe slightly worse on pc for me right now, but only slightly, enough to attribute disconnects from world to cowards pulling out their internets. Failing to invade would happen enough for me on ps3, especially at the wrong levels, to the point where I just kept using the cat covenent ring most of the time, since it also let me do other stuff while I waited.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 20:39:44
September 13 2012 20:37 GMT
#1303
On September 14 2012 03:35 Deadlyhazard wrote:
So how bad is the port? Does the mod DS fix really help most of the horrid issues I've been hearing about from the original version?


The port is basically exactly the same as the console versions except for the extra content, which some pc people seem to think is "bad". The game didn't get worse from porting though. Load times are way faster, and slowdown is less of an issue though it still sometimes happens in the places it did on console(blightown swamps water seems to be an issue for me, if it's not onscreen, like if I'm looking up, slowdown goes away, if I was having that issue at the time, the issue isn't always there though). The res fix makes it look nicer than it did on console too. But basically it's the same as on console. If that means bad in your mind, fine, but I can enjoy it just as much as I did on console because it's the same, but renders higher, loads faster, has new content, and good item tweaks.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 13 2012 21:05 GMT
#1304
On September 14 2012 05:32 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 05:22 Silidons wrote:
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?


Well, I don't know how severe it is with you right now, but the ps3 did have issues with that too sometimes, maybe slightly worse on pc for me right now, but only slightly, enough to attribute disconnects from world to cowards pulling out their internets. Failing to invade would happen enough for me on ps3, especially at the wrong levels, to the point where I just kept using the cat covenent ring most of the time, since it also let me do other stuff while I waited.

well, as a darkmoon, between today and today i've probably tried to invade for a good 2-3 hours, and i've only invaded 1 guy 3 times which were all in a row.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 13 2012 21:19 GMT
#1305
On September 14 2012 06:05 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 05:32 Fyrewolf wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:22 Silidons wrote:
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?


Well, I don't know how severe it is with you right now, but the ps3 did have issues with that too sometimes, maybe slightly worse on pc for me right now, but only slightly, enough to attribute disconnects from world to cowards pulling out their internets. Failing to invade would happen enough for me on ps3, especially at the wrong levels, to the point where I just kept using the cat covenent ring most of the time, since it also let me do other stuff while I waited.

well, as a darkmoon, between today and today i've probably tried to invade for a good 2-3 hours, and i've only invaded 1 guy 3 times which were all in a row.

Where and what level are you
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
September 13 2012 21:51 GMT
#1306
On September 14 2012 06:19 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:05 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:32 Fyrewolf wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:22 Silidons wrote:
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?


Well, I don't know how severe it is with you right now, but the ps3 did have issues with that too sometimes, maybe slightly worse on pc for me right now, but only slightly, enough to attribute disconnects from world to cowards pulling out their internets. Failing to invade would happen enough for me on ps3, especially at the wrong levels, to the point where I just kept using the cat covenent ring most of the time, since it also let me do other stuff while I waited.

well, as a darkmoon, between today and today i've probably tried to invade for a good 2-3 hours, and i've only invaded 1 guy 3 times which were all in a row.

Where and what level are you

58, and in oolacile township & anor londo. it's not like there aren't people i can invade - i fail a lot, and when people try to invade me 9/10 times they don't connect to me (as i can tell because a door will become fogged/can't use orbs etc).

i have all the ports open, uPnP enabled, NAT, etc etc etc.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
September 13 2012 22:42 GMT
#1307
I wouldnt be surprised if your level is too low for others to invade you. WHen I was past Artorias my character was level 90 and I suppose most other players are above your level too so they cant invade you anymore
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
September 13 2012 23:11 GMT
#1308
On September 14 2012 07:42 Skilledblob wrote:
I wouldnt be surprised if your level is too low for others to invade you. WHen I was past Artorias my character was level 90 and I suppose most other players are above your level too so they cant invade you anymore


Really? He seems level appropriate to me. Shit i think was like 35 in anor londo. And still got a lot of invasions. This is on xbox which also had extremely bad connection issues.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 23:15:18
September 13 2012 23:11 GMT
#1309
On September 14 2012 06:51 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:19 Duka08 wrote:
On September 14 2012 06:05 Silidons wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:32 Fyrewolf wrote:
On September 14 2012 05:22 Silidons wrote:
did console have this many failed to invade problems? how bad was it on the console when it came to failing to invade/summon?


Well, I don't know how severe it is with you right now, but the ps3 did have issues with that too sometimes, maybe slightly worse on pc for me right now, but only slightly, enough to attribute disconnects from world to cowards pulling out their internets. Failing to invade would happen enough for me on ps3, especially at the wrong levels, to the point where I just kept using the cat covenent ring most of the time, since it also let me do other stuff while I waited.

well, as a darkmoon, between today and today i've probably tried to invade for a good 2-3 hours, and i've only invaded 1 guy 3 times which were all in a row.

Where and what level are you

58, and in oolacile township & anor londo. it's not like there aren't people i can invade - i fail a lot, and when people try to invade me 9/10 times they don't connect to me (as i can tell because a door will become fogged/can't use orbs etc).

i have all the ports open, uPnP enabled, NAT, etc etc etc.


Level is a really a huge part of whether or not you get invaded. Just because the door fogs doesn't mean you are actually being invaded or at the right level, just that someone in your current p2p group is trying to invade anyone in your p2p group. It would be more of an issue if you invaded but as soon as you spawned in their world you disconnected from master of world, just regular failing an invasion without that happens a lot when your level just doesn't match the area. Also if you are in the way of the white(and maybe sunlight or princess guard but I'm not sure about those), then you will have a lower priority of being invaded than those who aren't, and get invaded less.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 14 2012 04:10 GMT
#1310
Do the bigger weapons swing faster as you get more strength? I'm looking into using a weapon that isn't a katana or dagger and holy cow this black knight sword is slow.
it's my first day
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
September 14 2012 04:56 GMT
#1311
No, unless you are not meeting the minimum str requirement in which case a very big yes at least on hitting that breakpoint.

You are not trying to use the R2 attack with the black knight sword type weapons are you? Those are pretty unusably slow other than for the opening "poke" on certain things.

The 'quick' attack is actually pretty good though. It gets trashed a bit for it's lesser reach than other greatswords but the dps, medium attack speed that is just fast enough for those "get one hit and dodge away" fights, high impact for stunning, being a non-magic damage sword for good handling of most armor and resists, hidden 20% damage bonus against a decent portion of the game's bosses and minibosses+everything in Izalith ("chaos demons", which is to say all the game's demon entities), compared to 8 pound weight make the black knight sword pretty great.

If you can handle the doubled weight the greataxe manages to about entirely outdo it though, as with artorias' sword but that has stiff for str types faith/int stat requirements.

I assume that since we are talking about heavy weapons we are not talking about pvp. The PC's nerfed to oblivion version of the darkwood grain ring seems to have killed such builds, at least until people start looking at going (well) past 40 endurance.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
September 14 2012 05:12 GMT
#1312
Are all heavy weapons useless for PvP?
it's my first day
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
September 14 2012 07:16 GMT
#1313
There isn't anything wrong with the weapons themselves so much as trying to use them while keeping fast movement and good poise. Without the console version of the dark wood grain ring or a ton of endurance it isn't happening. It might be possible to make a workable compromise with the wolf ring and wearing something like the elite knight chest and otherwise cloth or only going more slightly over on endurance and using Havel's ring as a poor man's alternative to the old dark wood but it'll be weaker than simply using a caster or dex build.
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
September 14 2012 07:27 GMT
#1314
i often coop with my friend. the coop system is so annoying, dozens of failed to summon, sometimes the sign doesnt show up. Invading is sketchy sometimes, i've waited 5 minutes at a bonfire because some ppl tried to invade without actually anyone showing up. The sorceries are stupid in pvp too, i get one shotted even though i have heavy armor and like 32 vitality, 75 poise, upgraded armor, upgraded black knight shield etc.

Despite all those shortcomings, this game fucking rocks. It is probably the best RPG i've ever played, im in NG+ now, done the new content and manus, beat ornstein and smough(thanks solaire) and the preceding bosses (fuck your dogs, capra demon) and I can't get enough. Probably gonna do kalameet with my buddy when i get home tonight. FUCK YEAH DARK SOULS!
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 08:26:38
September 14 2012 08:18 GMT
#1315
On September 14 2012 14:12 myopia wrote:
Are all heavy weapons useless for PvP?


Hmm, back on Console BKGA was considered heavy i think, and it was freakishly popular. Moonlight Greatsword too

I don't play the PC version now, but i heard they nerfed the DWGR. In that case, just mix and match Giant set, Sun set (the one dropped by Solaire) and Wiz set (the one drop by the Wizard dude that sell all the Crystal Spells, sry been too long i forgot all the names) till you reach the weight you desire (according to your stat spread, of course). I remember them to have among the best (if not the best) Stat to Weight ratio. Poise might be a problem, but Giant set has a healthy chunk of that, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem either.

@Plague

Not sure about the Metagame now, but back when i was still playing, Sorcery was a little short of useless imho. Short of ambushing him from a blindspot (which often isn't possible if he is careful), that shit never hits. And in close quarter, a good forward roll rapes u hard. In standard duels (where people bow n stuff) i don't think i ve ever been hit unless i screw up badly. And even then those guys usually are bad and get stomped anw.

Back when i was still playing this on PS3, i remember the strongest guys are usually:

Moonlight Greatsword if they are heavy, where were some particularly nasty ones.

Washing Pole/Iaito user. These guys are usually fast, and they hit like a truck with Crystal Magic Weapon, some even use Power Within, but it's risky as you can just turtle out.

Some variants of Bandit Knife (i think)/Rapier + a small shield made for Riposting. These guys can be really annoying if you use weapons with long swings like BKGA.

Speaking of BKGA, some variants of them were pretty dangerous as well, esp the guys with Pyro on switch or off-hand.

There were Wrath-spammer and they can be annoying, but they are usually noobs, they generally get smoked out quickly if u figure out their pattern, and not let them back you into a corner (I fight in that Garden where the Cat Covenant people keep attacking u, forgot actual name T_T)
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 10:28:31
September 14 2012 09:53 GMT
#1316
had a lot of fun in the darkwood forest yesterday. I was human and not part of the forest hunter covenant and got invaded all the time and made lots of souls this way. I was around level 40 when I got there with my lvl 13 pyromancy flame and often completely trashed the invaders with a chaosfireball and a great combustion.

Darkwood is great for farming too while you wait for invasions, just run to all those NPCs aggro them and then run back to the stairs and go towards the cliff. you can fit right between the stairs and the edge and the NPCs will try to jump on you from above and fall down the edge of the cliff.
Klosetmonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway208 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 10:48:56
September 14 2012 10:48 GMT
#1317
Anyone else encountered a bug where Ingward does not drop the key to the seal? unless i can find a fix to this my save is ruined. i lost it in ng+ killing ingward
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
September 14 2012 10:51 GMT
#1318
On September 14 2012 14:12 myopia wrote:
Are all heavy weapons useless for PvP?


Heavy weapons are actually really good in pvp if you can stay at least under 50% weight. A heavy weapon will stun most enemies on hit(and if its one of the faster weapons in its class, it can possibly stunlock too) and will always be really strong regardless of how much armor the opponent has. At worst it'll go from two shotting to three shotting players.

With all the old builds dwgr didn't actually give you any more equip burden to play around with since you would go for 50% if you were using a heavy weapon anyway, it just gave you fastest run speed(not that useful) and the flip(really useful). Dark wood grain ring being nerfed just means that a lot less people will be ninja flipping with all builds, as under 25% builds using dwgr won't be as common, but that doesn't make the heavy weapons any worse. In fact it makes them better because less people will be using the flip to get away easier. A lot of the heavy weapons also usually have really good range on their attacks and can still hit enemies trying to roll away. For example, earlier today while pvping using ultra greatswords I stunned someone with the first hit, went for and got a second hit in (because I knew they didn't have poise), and then they tried to roll out of my third swing but I still caught them anyway and got a kill. Only took about 5 seconds after bowing to beat them down.

Mobility is important for pvp though, so you have to be sure you can wear the weapon and gear with poise on it(this is necessary in pvp to not be interrupted or stunlocked to death) and not be over 50% so that others don't just run circles around you and backstab.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
September 14 2012 11:01 GMT
#1319
On September 14 2012 16:27 PlaGuE_R wrote:
i often coop with my friend. the coop system is so annoying, dozens of failed to summon, sometimes the sign doesnt show up. Invading is sketchy sometimes, i've waited 5 minutes at a bonfire because some ppl tried to invade without actually anyone showing up. The sorceries are stupid in pvp too, i get one shotted even though i have heavy armor and like 32 vitality, 75 poise, upgraded armor, upgraded black knight shield etc.

Despite all those shortcomings, this game fucking rocks. It is probably the best RPG i've ever played, im in NG+ now, done the new content and manus, beat ornstein and smough(thanks solaire) and the preceding bosses (fuck your dogs, capra demon) and I can't get enough. Probably gonna do kalameet with my buddy when i get home tonight. FUCK YEAH DARK SOULS!


You just have to dodge sorceries, they are beyond ridiculously easy to dodge. They do a lot of damage, but they should never be hitting you anyway. You don't even need to roll to dodge a lot of sorceries, just moving left or right at mid to close distances is often, though rolling is easy and safe at all ranges and spells anyway.

Also, if you can manage it you really should get 1 more poise, then nothing standard will stun you in one hit at 76. Greathammers, greataxes, ultra greatswords 2 handed will poise break 75 or less.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
September 14 2012 11:04 GMT
#1320
On September 14 2012 19:48 Klosetmonkey wrote:
Anyone else encountered a bug where Ingward does not drop the key to the seal? unless i can find a fix to this my save is ruined. i lost it in ng+ killing ingward


The dsfix res mod has a save backup feature if you enabled it. If not you're screwed, this new bug is gamebreaking.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
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