EPTPeyton Manning to Denver Broncos - Page 4
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sc4k
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IMPrime
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
but i question how good he will be after missing an entire season and playing for an entirely new team | ||
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darthfoley
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote: So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote: Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. | ||
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TranceStorm
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On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote: Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Yeah, I was under the impression that Smith was holding out at the beginning with the expectation that he would eventually get a deal with the 49ers. However, their interest in Manning really scared Smith and forced him to take a look at Miami. I'm not sure how much faith they have with Kaepernick, but Smith probably has quite a bit of leverage now. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On March 20 2012 02:53 Hawk wrote: Thomas is the only decent WR there, with potential to grow. Decker is nothing more than average, and just clicked with Tebow a lot because they started on the practice team together early on. He's not the second coming of McCaffrey. Royal is gone, and he was the real gem there outside of Thomas. Manning kills it with speedsters who run sharp routes. The bit about the pass rush d is true, but that rush comes from exactly two spots and you'd imagine teams with a year of tape on Miller will cover him better in 12-13. Champ and Dawkins are all they have in the secondary, and as good as they are, they looked like players i ntheir mid 30s several times last year. The line is pretty decent, but i think them as good runners is slightly misleading. That has a lot more of what they were running and how that style of play complimented the line/Tebow. Moreano is running himself out of the league with his play, and Willis McGahee, as much as he rules, is 32 or 33. I still think based on the AFCW being pretty meh overall, they have a decent enough shot to win the west. However, the Chargers are still talent wise the best team and Rivers + Meachem, Royle, Floyd, Gates and Matthews is lightyears better. Their D is also in the same ballpark. It is very farm from the guarantee that they come out of the division, as everyone seems to think. I definitely do not think that team goes anywhere in the playoffs based on numerous holes that they have. The biggest hurdle of all is going to be getting all those WRs on the same page as Peyton. These dudes were running an offense last year that had what, 30 different passing plays? And they're all young too. It's not like it is some savy wrs taking a few weeks and getting in there. It's money and the team's willingness to adapt to whatever suits him. It's certainly not the team being better than the Titans, or definitely not the niners. Both teams have way more talent on offense, and d's that are as good or much, much better You guys are looking at the problem in the wrong light. $40M in cap space is the #1 reason to go to Denver. Do they have everything in place today? No. Can they in the next few weeks? Yes. They can get Mike Wallace (because the Steelers won't have the cap space to match the offer/they don't pay WR's), and they can get Dallas Clark. Now tell me that's not a better corp of pass catchers than any other team in the division... assuming it happens. People are way too caught up on the stats of the WR's last year. Decker led the team with like 42 catches, and the next best was around 20, but look at who they had throwing to them. Denver is not as bad as people are making them out to be. Not to mention that the issue is getting to the playoffs... you have to get there before you can go to the big show... Do you really think that's going to happen in Tennessee? Not with the Texans over there. They won't win the division anyway. Kenny Britt isn't significantly better than anyone that the Broncos have, though he has looked very good at times... CJ is better, obviously, but that's if he decides to come to play this season. Their defense lost a couple of key players in the off season too, so who knows what that'll be like. SF would have been the best team for him to go to, but I think most people were under the impression that he wanted to be in the AFC still. Denver gives him the easiest road to the playoffs, and a pretty good team with a lot of money to make a lot of moves to get better FAST. Moreover, people concerned about time for the receivers to learn, because they're young... it's better than having some veterans who have played in X system for 5-10 years, and will have a hard time adjusting to new schemes. Young WR's are probably ideal in this situation. PLUS, Peyton is allowed to workout with those guys pretty soon... maybe immediately. They can't work out at the Broncos facilities, nor with the coaches, but they don't need either one of those things to have good workouts... these guys would be working with Peyton Fucking Manning... who needs an OC when you have the OC on the field with you? The reasonable talent on offense, decent defense (albeit old), and cap space all make Denver a good landing place for Manning. Denver is going to do EVERYTHING they need to do to get a ring this year. There is plenty of space to make moves right now, and there are still a few decent players on both sides of the ball out in FA. Addai is out there, and even though I don't think much of him, he averages over 4 ypc on a team that didn't run the ball, and he can catch out of the backfield. He'll come cheaply too. Dallas Clark, whoever is there for the line (they have a decent Center in Denver already, if you bring in Saturday, now you have a veteran C, and move the current C to G, and you have a good G too). They have one of the best LT's in the league, granted, he hasn't been as good as he was in his first two years, that can all change. People are missing the "Peyton-factor" too. He makes everyone on the offense better by default. Problems with the O-Line are lessened, because proper shifts and protections are called by the QB and (probably) veteran center. That was almost certainly NOT happening last year with Tebow or Orton. WR's are better because they're working with one of the best in the game. The running game is not necessarily hurt, because they're working with a good O-Line and have a real passing attack, so they'll probably not see a lot of 8-9 in the box. McGahee is fine at HB right now, maybe they get a guy off the market... $40M in cap space... tons of room to make moves for anyone that is out there, and future picks to bring in good players from other teams that may be struggling right now (maybe trade a pick for Samuel or something)... | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:53 itsjustatank wrote: I agree. So much for the Tebow era. The Broncos hyped him up a lot last year and now he is expected to return to second string? Peyton Manning is a PR savior for the Broncos. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Denver is ever going to be a serious contender with Tebow behind center. But, because Tebow is ultra popular and they did get to the playoffs with him, they were going to be stuck with Tebow for the 2012-13 season. Pulling Tebow would have been playing russian roulette with their jobs unless it was for Peyton Manning. Its as clean a break from Tebow as the Broncos could have ever hoped for. P.S. I really like Tebow and I want him to prove me and everyone else wrong. The cold hard truth is that he just isn't going to be a franchise quarterback without some "Angels in the Outfield" style help. He's a great story, but not a great quarterback. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote: Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season. He still has plenty of leverage even with Miami acquiring Garrad. I believe he only looked into Miami for the big what if Manning rolls into the Bay. Since the 49ers no longer have Manning as an option, its easy to think Smith will get extra millions he wants.Who else would be able to replace him to keep the 49ers competitive? | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season. Yeah, I just saw it now. He tries to compete with Garrard on another 1 year deal if he still would prefer to get away from the Niners, or they'll try to get him back anyhow because they really don't trust Kaepernick yet.. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:30 Irave wrote: He still has plenty of leverage even with Miami acquiring Garrad. I believe he only looked into Miami for the big what if Manning rolls into the Bay. Since the 49ers no longer have Manning as an option, its easy to think Smith will get extra millions he wants.Who else would be able to replace him to keep the 49ers competitive? He only has leverage if he doesn't want to make $8M a year. If he's willing to go compete somewhere else, then he has leverage. I don't think it changes drastically. No one is going to offer Alex Smith that kind of money. Maybe he gets the same deal as Flynn, but I really doubt it'll be significantly different. Maybe 2-5M, which I guess would make you right... either way, he'll be back in SF unless he has too much sand in his vag. I imagine that he's going to go back to SF more motivated than he was last year. I know I'd want to go back and play even better than I did the year before. And it's really the only place he's going to have that opportunity. My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else. "Dear Alex Smith, Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football." I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back. | ||
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Leftwing
Canada229 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
I hope Tebow leaves and finds a better team. | ||
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zz_
Sweden1022 Posts
Really hope he doesn't stick around to play second string to Manning, Tebow deserves his own team. And on the topic of the Broncos, I don't know enough to say if this was a good move or not when it comes to strategy, but Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning. He's gonna win them games no matter what. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On March 20 2012 12:05 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Thought this was a really bitchy move by both the broncos and peyton. Tebow was getting his game on and then they had to ruin it all. I hope Tebow leaves and finds a better team. I think the Broncos acquiring Manning was a good move. Feeling the need to trade Tebow after is quite the low blow. These two QB's could co-exist. The type of person Tebow is he could learn a great deal from Manning and really improve his game. They have a fan favorite QB in Denver with Tebow, his unique style was already shown capable of winning games. You sit him behind Manning for a couple of years, who knows just how much better he will be. The Broncos ideally shouldn't be losing very much with Manning starting. So the fan uproar to get some Tebow would be much less. Tebow being able to stay in Denver would be the best possible thing for him. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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When Tebow learns how to throw, then he'll be "deserving" of his own team. Right now, he's a guy with a lot of heart that can't really play the position. He won on a bunch of gimmicky stuff, like the Dolphins won with the Wildcat. What happened to the Dolphins the next season? They missed the playoffs, because teams adjusted. Tebow-time was a one year phenomenon. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote: I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. | ||
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