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Canada5062 Posts
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=7709195
The report seems pretty firm. If true, I'm a little surprised. I thought Peyton was on a legacy run. I thought he wanted another ring (or two) to be in the discussion as the all-time best. Elway did it in his final two years as QB.
Anyway, if this story is true, I'm perplexed as to how this move makes sense. San Francisco seemed to be holding all the cards a few hours ago, with the signing of Manningham and Moss. And of course their defense... There's a team that has Superbowl written all over it. But Denver? Really?
The Broncos have a lot of cap room so maybe there are some pieces that they can still go out and get to surround Peyton with a championship caliber team and no doubt that was part of the pitch they made to Peyton. But they've been on the sidelines with respect to free agency for so long while the Peyton drama unfolded that I'm not sure if all the elements are even out there any more, at least not the obvious ones. Saturday's still available, and the Broncos will need to sign him asap. But who else?
Poor Tebow. But in the end, he needs to be somewhere where the organization believes in him and will build the team around him. And the idea of Tebow staying on to "learn" under Manning is simply a non-starter. It makes no sense on any level. Tebow needs to move on and I hope he finds a good home where he can prove all the doubters wrong.
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doesnt make sense to me either for all the above reasons. we'll see how it plays out though
i don think broncos will end up grabbing any pieces
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BC Lions could use a new QB.
I think you're underestimating what an upgrade from Tebow to Manning could potentially mean for this team. I think that it could make them serious contenders.
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The Broncos defense is perfectly designed to be opposite a Peyton Manning team. Decent secondary, and a fantastic pass rush go well opposite high scoring offenses.
Good line, good run game, good young receivers (and I'd imagine some signings to come) and a veteran coach (vs the newer Munchak or Harbaugh)
Still thought he'd go 49ers though, the AFC West is going to be a very tight division this year. Smith looking at Dolphins lol, sucks for the 9ers
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I'm gutted because the Tim Tebow story was the most hilarious/interesting thing last year.
Now there's doubts over whether he'll start for an NFL team ever again.
I don't see why Manning wouldn't go to a top team like the 49ers; now he's given himself a mountain to climb.
It could end badly.
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Expected the 49ers.. oh well. Manning has got a good line and a sick defense so the broncs got a serious chance of contending without their tightendesque qb TeBoW
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Yeah I really thought that Manning was going to the 49ers will all those rumors regarding Alex Smith moving on and what not. I suppose that the Broncos have offered him something that he doesn't see at San Fransisco given that the 49ers have a stronger squad.
Nevertheless, as a Broncos fan, I'm pretty happy about this - but I have no clue what will happen to Tebow.
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Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him.
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On March 20 2012 02:32 TriO wrote:
Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him.
Or maybe he just likes Denver...thinks it's a better team/city.
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motbob
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He just really likes horses.
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Good. Tebow had one of the worst passer ratings in the NFL and his team was still able to make the play-offs. To me, that says something about the quality of the rest of his team, so getting a legit quarterback like Peyton in there seems like a good step by Denver to me. And a good move by Peyton to put himself in a position where he can compete well. Plus, I've never been a fan of all the hype and mania surrounding Tebow...
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No way, wow this is kinda unexpected, interesting to see how his results are next season.
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SHOW ME THE MONEY!
This is the us after all. To bad for Tebow. I didnt like the guy, but if nothing else, he brought entertainment to the league. I would actually check out the bronco games, just to see what ol' tebow was up to this week. The NFL will be a more "serious" place without him, and loose a little bit of that movie magic he brought with him.
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Thomas is the only decent WR there, with potential to grow. Decker is nothing more than average, and just clicked with Tebow a lot because they started on the practice team together early on. He's not the second coming of McCaffrey. Royal is gone, and he was the real gem there outside of Thomas. Manning kills it with speedsters who run sharp routes.
The bit about the pass rush d is true, but that rush comes from exactly two spots and you'd imagine teams with a year of tape on Miller will cover him better in 12-13. Champ and Dawkins are all they have in the secondary, and as good as they are, they looked like players i ntheir mid 30s several times last year.
The line is pretty decent, but i think them as good runners is slightly misleading. That has a lot more of what they were running and how that style of play complimented the line/Tebow. Moreano is running himself out of the league with his play, and Willis McGahee, as much as he rules, is 32 or 33.
I still think based on the AFCW being pretty meh overall, they have a decent enough shot to win the west. However, the Chargers are still talent wise the best team and Rivers + Meachem, Royle, Floyd, Gates and Matthews is lightyears better. Their D is also in the same ballpark. It is very farm from the guarantee that they come out of the division, as everyone seems to think. I definitely do not think that team goes anywhere in the playoffs based on numerous holes that they have.
The biggest hurdle of all is going to be getting all those WRs on the same page as Peyton. These dudes were running an offense last year that had what, 30 different passing plays? And they're all young too. It's not like it is some savy wrs taking a few weeks and getting in there.
On March 20 2012 02:35 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 02:32 TriO wrote:
Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him. Or maybe he just likes Denver...thinks it's a better team/city.
It's money and the team's willingness to adapt to whatever suits him. It's certainly not the team being better than the Titans, or definitely not the niners. Both teams have way more talent on offense, and d's that are as good or much, much better
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On March 20 2012 02:20 mensrea wrote:
Poor Tebow. But in the end, he needs to be somewhere where the organization believes in him and will build the team around him. And the idea of Tebow staying on to "learn" under Manning is simply a non-starter. It makes no sense on any level. Tebow needs to move on and I hope he finds a good home where he can prove all the doubters wrong.
I agree. So much for the Tebow era. The Broncos hyped him up a lot last year and now he is expected to return to second string?
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Canada5062 Posts
We have to assume Peyton knows what he's doing. So I guess the Broncos are contenders now.
Tebow will be a starter somewhere else. I am predicting this will be the proverbial blessing in disguise for him. He needs to be with an organization that believes in him. The wins will be self-fulfilling once they do. People are saying Jacksonville (because their new owner loves Tebow). That would be interesting because Jacksonville isn't all that bad, just messed up right now. New owner though with a can do spirit, so who knows?
And how about Miami? If Smith decides to to check his ego and let slide the fact that the niners threw him under the bus, then Miami is suddenly still in need of a QB. And with their woeful attendance becoming a serious issue for the business, Tebow would be an instant fix.
In Florida, there is God and then Tebow.
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Wait wait, I know about the news, but this seems like news to me as well. Mensrea is back? O_O
And how about Miami? If Smith decides to to check his ego and let slide the fact that the niners threw him under the bus, then Miami is suddenly still in need of a QB. And with their woeful attendance becoming a serious issue for the business, Tebow would be an instant fix.
Tebow to Miami would be horrible. We barely have a team and to bring on a new quarterback? don't get me wrong, I love Tebow. I myself am a Gators fan, but I don't see Miami going anywhere with Tebow :/
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On March 20 2012 02:39 motbob wrote:
He just really likes horses.
Naw. A colt just wants to be a bronco.
And on second thought it does make sense for Manning to want to go where Tebow is - where else would Manning go to get his neck miraculously healed?
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On March 20 2012 03:02 mensrea wrote:
We have to assume Peyton knows what he's doing. So I guess the Broncos are contenders now.
Tebow will be a starter somewhere else. I am predicting this will be the proverbial blessing in disguise for him. He needs to be with an organization that believes in him. The wins will be self-fulfilling once they do. People are saying Jacksonville (because their new owner loves Tebow). That would be interesting because Jacksonville isn't all that bad, just messed up right now. New owner though with a can do spirit, so who knows?
And how about Miami? If Smith decides to to check his ego and let slide the fact that the niners threw him under the bus, then Miami is suddenly still in need of a QB. And with their woeful attendance becoming a serious issue for the business, Tebow would be an instant fix.
In Florida, there is God and then Tebow.
yeah tebow is without a doubt in my mind going to florida.
denver is an interesting choice, it wasn't a shock or anything though. i guess peyton just did not like arizona geographically. i guess he wasn't interested in Tennessee either.
personally i wanted to see what kind of magic peyton and fitzgerald could make
maybe he REALLY didn't want to play in the NFC
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wow they ditched tebow? I want tebow on my team
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arghh....Alex Smith better stay with the niners then....
Fucking manning going to the broncos for real? I would of preferred him in the titans. Lol....Him being a free agent really made a bunch of starting qb's nervous. Smith, Sanchez, Tebow, I'd call out the NFC ones, but they lucked out that Peyton doesn't want to go against Eli in the regular season much.
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While Denver is kind of middle of the road, they at least had pieces in place that supported Tebow's style of play/raping the game of passing the football. Jax and Miami are awful, through and through. His chances of becoming a successful qb were already slim in Denver. It's pretty much non existent there.
However, since both franchises are already in the dumps, I can see them making a play just for the media exposure. Especially Jax.
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Canada5062 Posts
On March 20 2012 03:15 Golgotha wrote:
wow they ditched tebow? I want tebow on my team
Nothing official yet, but it seems inevitable.
Personally I would hate to see Tebow sitting on the bench. What a waste that would be. There are plenty of teams in the league that could use him. There are even a few in need of saving. Let the messiah come.
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On March 20 2012 02:39 motbob wrote:
He just really likes horses.
Just about died when I saw this.
John elway wants a qb to foster out tebow until hes ready to take on the world. This move has been predicted ever sence payton started to get overtures of leaving the colts as elway was never confident with tebow as hes not the type of player that he thinks is a good qb.
Tebow after a year or 2 will become a powerhouse in the league making a great rival to the packers.
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On March 20 2012 03:22 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:15 Golgotha wrote:
wow they ditched tebow? I want tebow on my team Nothing official yet, but it seems inevitable. Personally I would hate to see Tebow sitting on the bench. What a waste that would be. There are plenty of teams in the league that could use him. There are even a few in need of saving. Let the messiah come.
Hahaha lolled pretty hard. Tebow and the dolphins. They should make it a reality show.
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On March 20 2012 03:29 Sermokala wrote:Just about died when I saw this. John elway wants a qb to foster out tebow until hes ready to take on the world. This move has been predicted ever sence payton started to get overtures of leaving the colts as elway was never confident with tebow as hes not the type of player that he thinks is a good qb. Tebow after a year or 2 will become a powerhouse in the league making a great rival to the packers.
dunno who you're kidding, Elway has never liked Tebow, he's gonna dump him on Jacksonville or Miami immediately
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On March 20 2012 02:32 TriO wrote:
Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him.
I'd be more inclined to believe reports which said Peyton Manning didn't want to go to an NFC team because he didn't want to risk being in the position of having to beat his brother's team to get to the Super Bowl.
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they should just keep tebow and use him as a wildcat formation qb in the red zone(while getting better from manning). it's a perfect setup with manning as the main qb now. I am from denver but we all know tebow was not cut out to be a star qb(yet) funny how some think it's not "believing" in the guy with stats like his. He could also be much better off in a half back position or possibly tight end. Just because you got the lord with you doesn't mean you have to be a superstar qb, it could still happen in years... if he ever figures out throwing a football doesn't require the motion of using a sledge hammer.
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He knows he can't beat Eli 
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man i wonder how proud is father is. i would be so happy to have two kids win the superbowl.
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This is the best thing that could have happened to Tebow. If he would have played he would have been exposed with his opponents having more time to counter him. If he stays in Denver he can sit on the sideline and feed off the "oh man he is so good but he can't show it anymore!"
Great for Tebow-mania.
Thankfully for Elway, the AFC West is the worst division in football and with a half decent defense, which they have, they can easily win the division. With Manning behind the ball, instead of Tebow, they will have a legit chance in the playoffs.
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I'm not liking this move. The Broncos last year had a questionable pass defense that was able to hide behind their pass rush from time to time. Most of their run was against teams with shaky passing offenses. That and they just really got lucky many times.
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Canada5062 Posts
It's clear Manning can turn virtually any NFL team into a playoff team. The issue is whether Denver is the right choice if the goal is to win it all. I think that's the part I (and more than a few others here) am having difficulties with.
But like I said, Peyton knows his football so he probably knows something we here do not. The other part of the equation might be that winning a championship isn't as high a priority as we all think. Not saying it's not on his radar, but the thinking was that winning the SB trumped all other considerations. Perhaps that's not entirely true.
Anyway, just a bizarre choice. I'm looking forward to the explanation as the story unfolds.
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this seasons story will be manning getting hurt/not playing well and Tebow the messiah lighting it up on the football field. what a story that will be.
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Canada5062 Posts
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now.
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On March 20 2012 04:18 mensrea wrote:
It's clear Manning can turn virtually any NFL team into a playoff team. The issue is whether Denver is the right choice if the goal is to win it all. I think that's the part I (and more than a few others here) am having difficulties with.
But like I said, Peyton knows his football so he probably knows something we here do not. The other part of the equation might be that winning a championship isn't as high a priority as we all think. Not saying it's not on his radar, but the thinking was that winning the SB trumped all other considerations. Perhaps that's not entirely true.
Anyway, just a bizarre choice. I'm looking forward to the explanation as the story unfolds.
He could have done his job search the way most of us would. He probably went to the place where he thought he would be most comfortable and where he can excel the most.
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On March 20 2012 05:22 mensrea wrote:
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now.
They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions.
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NFL.com changing the "Peyton Stock Watch" to "Tebow Stock Watch". Even when its not on, its on. NFL best sport ever
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San Francisco would have been a much better fit for Manning....with the 49ers unbelievably good defense, Peyton has less pressure on him to be the "leader" of the team and more of a game manager (because seriously, who can even say that Peyton will be able to throw the ball remotely close to the way he used to?). The Broncos....eh. I dislike Tebow, but I think he deserved a shot after his performance last year.
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As a chargers fan Im not liking this, but I respect Manning too much to hate on him.
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United States97276 Posts
Damn I thought for sure he was going to go to San Fran so he could actually win something
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I heard Broncos are trying to get Saturday to come too. So they make Manning feel comfortable.
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Canada5062 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:30 ecstatica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 05:22 mensrea wrote:
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now. They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions.
"No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball."
Oh really? And how would you know this?
He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying.
Your statement is patently absurd.
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tebow to the 49ers? pleaseeee
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United States5162 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:34 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 05:30 ecstatica wrote:On March 20 2012 05:22 mensrea wrote:
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now. They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions. "No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." Oh really? And how would you know this? He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying. Your statement is patently absurd.
Who starts isn't just a function of skill. It's obvious that Denver never wanted to start Tebow last year. Even when he inexplicably won, Elway never had confidence in him. He gave him a half-hearted show of support when they did go to the playoffs and win a game, but only because he had to due to fan support. I don't think his opinion of Tebow as a player ever changed.
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Well, indy will have enough money to buy a new quarterback at least. Denver's gonna be pretty scary though.
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Canada5062 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:44 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:34 mensrea wrote:On March 20 2012 05:30 ecstatica wrote:On March 20 2012 05:22 mensrea wrote:
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now. They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions. "No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." Oh really? And how would you know this? He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying. Your statement is patently absurd. Who starts isn't just a function of skill. It's obvious that Denver never wanted to start Tebow last year. Even when he inexplicably won, Elway never had confidence in him. He gave him a half-hearted show of support when they did go to the playoffs and win a game, but only because he had to due to fan support. I don't think his opinion of Tebow as a player ever changed.
Don't disagree with anything you say here.
But it isn't an effective rebuttal of what I wrote either. I only took issue with the statement "no decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." I believe there are a few decent franchises who would want him to be their starter under center. Not all franchises. Not even most franchises. It takes the right fit and very few teams would fit - but I think there would be a few. Johnny Unitas was deemed a perennial backup because of his loopy delivery and strange mechanics. We now know how that story ended. Conventional wisdom is immutable only until the next evolutionary step.
I cannot say Tebow is the second coming of Tarkenton. No one knows whether he will be a hall of famer. But I think he's shown enough in his play in the toughest, most unforgiving league in the world that given the right circumstances and support, it's more likely than not that he can become a successful NFL starting QB. Why is that conclusion so controversial?
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On March 20 2012 02:23 rabidch wrote:
doesnt make sense to me either for all the above reasons. we'll see how it plays out though
i don think broncos will end up grabbing any pieces
WHAT!?!?!??! it doesnt make since did u wath last season? the things they did with tebow..... tebow sucked balls and still got to the playoffs now imagen what they will do with peyton.... the cotls where contenders with him and without him they were dead last....
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United States5162 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:57 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 07:44 Myles wrote:On March 20 2012 07:34 mensrea wrote:On March 20 2012 05:30 ecstatica wrote:On March 20 2012 05:22 mensrea wrote:
An interesting option someone mentioned - Tebow to New England where he gets re-united with the coordinator who drafted him. Denver gets Ryan Mallett in return, a more conventional drop-back QB prospect currently sitting behind Brady and learning the trade. Why not do the same in Denver behind Manning?
Food for thought. Might get done if Denver and New England want to dance. Would still be terrible for Tebow since sitting behind Brady is an even worse graveyard assignment than sitting behind Manning for any young QB wanting to get his shot at starting. Brady's a franchise QB, pretty durable, has a system around him specifically engineered to provide maximum QB protection and has a few more years left in him than Manning.
Doesn't matter what Tebow thinks or wants though. The Broncos will do what's in their interest, that much is certain. At least it is now. They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions. "No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." Oh really? And how would you know this? He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying. Your statement is patently absurd. Who starts isn't just a function of skill. It's obvious that Denver never wanted to start Tebow last year. Even when he inexplicably won, Elway never had confidence in him. He gave him a half-hearted show of support when they did go to the playoffs and win a game, but only because he had to due to fan support. I don't think his opinion of Tebow as a player ever changed. Don't disagree with anything you say here. But it isn't an effective rebuttal of what I wrote either. I only took issue with the statement "no decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." I believe there are a few decent franchises who would want him to be their starter under center. Not all franchises. Not even most franchises. It takes the right fit and very few teams would fit - but I think there would be a few. Johnny Unitas was deemed a perennial backup because of his loopy delivery and strange mechanics. We now know how that story ended. Conventional wisdom is immutable only until the next evolutionary step. I cannot say Tebow is the second coming of Tarkenton. No one knows whether he will be a hall of famer. But I think he's shown enough in his play in the toughest, most unforgiving league in the world that given the right circumstances and support, it's more likely than not that he can become a successful NFL starting QB. Why is that conclusion so controversial?
It's controversial because his skill set doesn't coincide with it. Unitas might have been deemed a backup, but the majority of people 'in the know' deem Tebow unfit for the position at all. You're banking on his intangibles - his tenaciousness, leadership, and ability to rally a team being at the top. It's a lot of faith(no pun intended) to put into him, especially considering you can't run a conventional offense and you pretty much have to build your team around him.
I won't state that absolutely no team will do this, but it seems unlikely without near perfect circumstances. It's splitting hairs, but I think a few is closer to one, two if he's lucky.
edit: And I guess the rebuttal would have been to you using Denver as an example of a professional franchise starting Tebow. They didn't do if because they thought he would give them a good chance to win. The other quarterback wasn't winning them games, so fans demanded they try Tebow.
edit2: mistake correction - I thought Denver tried Brady for a game or two. I was wrong.
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ohhh mann.... at least im not the only one who thought the Niners were the best fit for Manning. And take it anyway you want but that is honestly my unbiased opinion on it since I am a Niners fan.
With the recent WR acquisitions and the ones already on the team along with the running game AND the defense....
What happened to all that Tebow talk during last season by Elway and the Broncos?? theyre so full of it... and horray! even MORE Tebow talk... -_-
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John Elway must be the happiest little boy in the world.
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As a New England fan, I'd like to have Tebow come join us. Belichick has had no problems in the past with assigning a guy any role as long as they can play it well, and I'm sure we could find a place for Tebow, just not at QB.
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I raged when I heard this today. Shuda went to niners w manningham, moss n that other guy
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On March 20 2012 08:44 ShyB0x wrote:
ohhh mann.... at least im not the only one who thought the Niners were the best fit for Manning. And take it anyway you want but that is honestly my unbiased opinion on it since I am a Niners fan.
With the recent WR acquisitions and the ones already on the team along with the running game AND the defense....
What happened to all that Tebow talk during last season by Elway and the Broncos?? theyre so full of it... and horray! even MORE Tebow talk... -_-
The problem for the 49ers was they seemed to only put one foot forward in their discussions with Manning, they really didn't seem to put as much into as the Broncos did. There's probably a bunch of factors that helped the Broncos:
A) They are the team that's completely willing to let Manning control the offense and do as he likes, and have proven with Tebow they can adjust an offense to fit their quarterbacks needs. The 49ers weren't going to do this with Harbaugh, Manning would have had to learn his playbook and take time away from rehab.
B) John Elway has a really good relationship with Manning, won 2 Superbowls in his late 30s and would be perfect to give Manning advice.
C) John Fox is a players coach and is a well respected veteran coach, even if Harbaugh did amazing stuff last year, Fox is still a seasoned veteran that's been to the superbowl.
D) NFC means no all Manning Superbowl and possibly knocking each other out early in the playoffs.
E) The Broncos have a ridiculous amount of cap room that would allow them to pay Manning whatever he wants and get all the necessary pieces, including old teammates of Manning to make him feel more comfortable in the offense.
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So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately.
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I'm just glad that Manning did not go to Miami. My Buffalo Bills don't need that beating for the next five years. With the Mario Williams signings, I expect to see Brady on his back more often though.
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The fact that Manning and Smith have the same agent lead me to believe Manning would go with the Broncos. The Dolphins just picked up Garrard. Harbaugh backed Smith as the 49ers qb at the end of the season, they failed to snag Manning, Smith isn't going anywhere. Tebows only shot as of now as a starter rests in Jacksonville.
Tebow should remain a Bronco, but its beyond obvious at this point Elway doesn't want him. Question is who will play back up if they get rid of Tebow with Quinn already out the door. Manning sure is healthy...
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Isn't there an argument to say that if Peyton could make a 1-15 team a regular SB contender and regular 12-4 team, surely he can push the broncos to something special...
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49ers had the better players, but it's probably because of eli. He didn't want to be in the NFC.
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cant wait to see what manning can do for denver
but i question how good he will be after missing an entire season and playing for an entirely new team
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gabbert is much better than tebow, i hope he proves it if tebow goes to jacksonville
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At the end of your career, you either play to win championship or the make as much money as possible while you still can. The Niners would have been a better option if Manning was trying to win it all. Can never be too sure though. Maybe he knows something about Denver that we don't
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On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately.
Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now.
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On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now.
I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term.
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On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now.
Yeah, I was under the impression that Smith was holding out at the beginning with the expectation that he would eventually get a deal with the 49ers. However, their interest in Manning really scared Smith and forced him to take a look at Miami. I'm not sure how much faith they have with Kaepernick, but Smith probably has quite a bit of leverage now.
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On March 20 2012 02:53 Hawk wrote:Thomas is the only decent WR there, with potential to grow. Decker is nothing more than average, and just clicked with Tebow a lot because they started on the practice team together early on. He's not the second coming of McCaffrey. Royal is gone, and he was the real gem there outside of Thomas. Manning kills it with speedsters who run sharp routes. The bit about the pass rush d is true, but that rush comes from exactly two spots and you'd imagine teams with a year of tape on Miller will cover him better in 12-13. Champ and Dawkins are all they have in the secondary, and as good as they are, they looked like players i ntheir mid 30s several times last year. The line is pretty decent, but i think them as good runners is slightly misleading. That has a lot more of what they were running and how that style of play complimented the line/Tebow. Moreano is running himself out of the league with his play, and Willis McGahee, as much as he rules, is 32 or 33. I still think based on the AFCW being pretty meh overall, they have a decent enough shot to win the west. However, the Chargers are still talent wise the best team and Rivers + Meachem, Royle, Floyd, Gates and Matthews is lightyears better. Their D is also in the same ballpark. It is very farm from the guarantee that they come out of the division, as everyone seems to think. I definitely do not think that team goes anywhere in the playoffs based on numerous holes that they have. The biggest hurdle of all is going to be getting all those WRs on the same page as Peyton. These dudes were running an offense last year that had what, 30 different passing plays? And they're all young too. It's not like it is some savy wrs taking a few weeks and getting in there. Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 02:35 Zorkmid wrote:On March 20 2012 02:32 TriO wrote:
Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him. Or maybe he just likes Denver...thinks it's a better team/city. It's money and the team's willingness to adapt to whatever suits him. It's certainly not the team being better than the Titans, or definitely not the niners. Both teams have way more talent on offense, and d's that are as good or much, much better
You guys are looking at the problem in the wrong light. $40M in cap space is the #1 reason to go to Denver. Do they have everything in place today? No. Can they in the next few weeks? Yes. They can get Mike Wallace (because the Steelers won't have the cap space to match the offer/they don't pay WR's), and they can get Dallas Clark. Now tell me that's not a better corp of pass catchers than any other team in the division... assuming it happens.
People are way too caught up on the stats of the WR's last year. Decker led the team with like 42 catches, and the next best was around 20, but look at who they had throwing to them.
Denver is not as bad as people are making them out to be. Not to mention that the issue is getting to the playoffs... you have to get there before you can go to the big show... Do you really think that's going to happen in Tennessee? Not with the Texans over there. They won't win the division anyway. Kenny Britt isn't significantly better than anyone that the Broncos have, though he has looked very good at times... CJ is better, obviously, but that's if he decides to come to play this season. Their defense lost a couple of key players in the off season too, so who knows what that'll be like.
SF would have been the best team for him to go to, but I think most people were under the impression that he wanted to be in the AFC still. Denver gives him the easiest road to the playoffs, and a pretty good team with a lot of money to make a lot of moves to get better FAST.
Moreover, people concerned about time for the receivers to learn, because they're young... it's better than having some veterans who have played in X system for 5-10 years, and will have a hard time adjusting to new schemes. Young WR's are probably ideal in this situation. PLUS, Peyton is allowed to workout with those guys pretty soon... maybe immediately. They can't work out at the Broncos facilities, nor with the coaches, but they don't need either one of those things to have good workouts... these guys would be working with Peyton Fucking Manning... who needs an OC when you have the OC on the field with you?
The reasonable talent on offense, decent defense (albeit old), and cap space all make Denver a good landing place for Manning. Denver is going to do EVERYTHING they need to do to get a ring this year. There is plenty of space to make moves right now, and there are still a few decent players on both sides of the ball out in FA. Addai is out there, and even though I don't think much of him, he averages over 4 ypc on a team that didn't run the ball, and he can catch out of the backfield. He'll come cheaply too. Dallas Clark, whoever is there for the line (they have a decent Center in Denver already, if you bring in Saturday, now you have a veteran C, and move the current C to G, and you have a good G too). They have one of the best LT's in the league, granted, he hasn't been as good as he was in his first two years, that can all change.
People are missing the "Peyton-factor" too. He makes everyone on the offense better by default. Problems with the O-Line are lessened, because proper shifts and protections are called by the QB and (probably) veteran center. That was almost certainly NOT happening last year with Tebow or Orton. WR's are better because they're working with one of the best in the game. The running game is not necessarily hurt, because they're working with a good O-Line and have a real passing attack, so they'll probably not see a lot of 8-9 in the box. McGahee is fine at HB right now, maybe they get a guy off the market... $40M in cap space... tons of room to make moves for anyone that is out there, and future picks to bring in good players from other teams that may be struggling right now (maybe trade a pick for Samuel or something)...
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On March 20 2012 02:53 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 02:20 mensrea wrote:
Poor Tebow. But in the end, he needs to be somewhere where the organization believes in him and will build the team around him. And the idea of Tebow staying on to "learn" under Manning is simply a non-starter. It makes no sense on any level. Tebow needs to move on and I hope he finds a good home where he can prove all the doubters wrong. I agree. So much for the Tebow era. The Broncos hyped him up a lot last year and now he is expected to return to second string?
Peyton Manning is a PR savior for the Broncos. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Denver is ever going to be a serious contender with Tebow behind center. But, because Tebow is ultra popular and they did get to the playoffs with him, they were going to be stuck with Tebow for the 2012-13 season. Pulling Tebow would have been playing russian roulette with their jobs unless it was for Peyton Manning. Its as clean a break from Tebow as the Broncos could have ever hoped for.
P.S. I really like Tebow and I want him to prove me and everyone else wrong. The cold hard truth is that he just isn't going to be a franchise quarterback without some "Angels in the Outfield" style help. He's a great story, but not a great quarterback.
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On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now.
Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season.
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On March 20 2012 11:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season.
He still has plenty of leverage even with Miami acquiring Garrad. I believe he only looked into Miami for the big what if Manning rolls into the Bay. Since the 49ers no longer have Manning as an option, its easy to think Smith will get extra millions he wants.Who else would be able to replace him to keep the 49ers competitive?
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On March 20 2012 11:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season.
Yeah, I just saw it now. He tries to compete with Garrard on another 1 year deal if he still would prefer to get away from the Niners, or they'll try to get him back anyhow because they really don't trust Kaepernick yet..
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On March 20 2012 11:30 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 11:22 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Except Miami picked Garrard. He has no leverage at all anymore if he wants to play this season. He still has plenty of leverage even with Miami acquiring Garrad. I believe he only looked into Miami for the big what if Manning rolls into the Bay. Since the 49ers no longer have Manning as an option, its easy to think Smith will get extra millions he wants.Who else would be able to replace him to keep the 49ers competitive?
He only has leverage if he doesn't want to make $8M a year. If he's willing to go compete somewhere else, then he has leverage. I don't think it changes drastically. No one is going to offer Alex Smith that kind of money. Maybe he gets the same deal as Flynn, but I really doubt it'll be significantly different. Maybe 2-5M, which I guess would make you right... either way, he'll be back in SF unless he has too much sand in his vag.
I imagine that he's going to go back to SF more motivated than he was last year. I know I'd want to go back and play even better than I did the year before. And it's really the only place he's going to have that opportunity.
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
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Receivers didn't make Payton Manning special, Payton Manning made his receivers special. Not too many other quarterbacks in history could turn an average receiver into an amazing receiver.
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Thought this was a really bitchy move by both the broncos and peyton. Tebow was getting his game on and then they had to ruin it all.
I hope Tebow leaves and finds a better team.
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Wow, I didn't see that coming. Seeing how popular Tebow has become over the last year you'd think the PR benefits alone would mean that they'd keep him around, especially since he's also had a pretty damn good year...but I guess
Really hope he doesn't stick around to play second string to Manning, Tebow deserves his own team. And on the topic of the Broncos, I don't know enough to say if this was a good move or not when it comes to strategy, but Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning. He's gonna win them games no matter what.
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On March 20 2012 12:05 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
Thought this was a really bitchy move by both the broncos and peyton. Tebow was getting his game on and then they had to ruin it all.
I hope Tebow leaves and finds a better team.
I think the Broncos acquiring Manning was a good move. Feeling the need to trade Tebow after is quite the low blow. These two QB's could co-exist. The type of person Tebow is he could learn a great deal from Manning and really improve his game. They have a fan favorite QB in Denver with Tebow, his unique style was already shown capable of winning games. You sit him behind Manning for a couple of years, who knows just how much better he will be.
The Broncos ideally shouldn't be losing very much with Manning starting. So the fan uproar to get some Tebow would be much less. Tebow being able to stay in Denver would be the best possible thing for him.
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Super Bowl rings are typically bring better PR benefits than a guy that can't throw the ball.
When Tebow learns how to throw, then he'll be "deserving" of his own team. Right now, he's a guy with a lot of heart that can't really play the position. He won on a bunch of gimmicky stuff, like the Dolphins won with the Wildcat. What happened to the Dolphins the next season? They missed the playoffs, because teams adjusted. Tebow-time was a one year phenomenon.
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On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term.
Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks.
Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like.
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On March 20 2012 10:59 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. Yeah, I was under the impression that Smith was holding out at the beginning with the expectation that he would eventually get a deal with the 49ers. However, their interest in Manning really scared Smith and forced him to take a look at Miami. I'm not sure how much faith they have with Kaepernick, but Smith probably has quite a bit of leverage now.
They don't have much immediate faith in him to start THIS year and win a super bowl. Right now Kaepernick is still an extremely athletic guy with a cannon for an arm, but unfortunately his weakness is that he doesn't vary his throw speeds, he seems like a "one speed" thrower as they call it. He needs minimum another year to develop into a starter and 1.5 years til he can be an above average QB at best. This is why you offer a 3 year deal to Smith, and only guarnateed money in the first two years, because the 49ers want to leave the door open for Kaepernick's successing
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1) Jacksonville gets Tebow for a 5th round pick.
2) Blaine Gabbert mysteriously drowns. Tebow declared starter.
3) Every home game is packed to the brim. Jags proceed to go 1-15 and get the first pick of the 2013 draft.
4) Jags drafts their franchise QB....be it Barkley or next year's edition of athletic black guy who comes out of nowhere and throw + run for 9000+ yards.
5) Tebow retires after finishing the season with 12 TDs against 26 INTs. He would unretire 3 days later to join the CFL where he belongs.
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On March 20 2012 13:01 Saeglopur wrote:
1) Jacksonville gets Tebow for a 5th round pick.
2) Blaine Gabbert mysteriously drowns. Tebow declared starter.
3) Every home game is packed to the brim. Jags proceed to go 1-15 and get the first pick of the 2013 draft.
4) Jags drafts their franchise QB....be it Barkley or next year's edition of athletic black guy who comes out of nowhere and throw + run for 9000+ yards.
5) Tebow retires after finishing the season with 12 TDs against 26 INTs. He would unretire 3 days later to join the CFL where he belongs.
So Tebow is Doug Flutie? God had two sons?
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On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like.
NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so...
I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this:
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns.
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So we can all agree that Manning is a pretty good QB. However the Bronco receiving corp looks awfully weak, including the loss of Eddie Royal. Curious to see if they will make a play for Mike Wallace, surely someone has to since he is just sitting pretty there. Broncos would be in a great spot, if acquiring would only have to give up the 25th pick in the draft.
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On March 20 2012 14:51 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so... I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this: Show nested quote +
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns.
Speaking of Nate Davis I'm so fucking sick of 49ers fans who think our 3rd stringers are actually NFL starters
THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY ARE THIRD STRINGER QB'S. Troy Davis, Nate Davis, Scott Tolzien, these guys fucking suck, low draft pick QBs suck unless they're named Tom Brady which was one in a million.
Hasselbeck is different since at least he was in a system behind Brett Favre for a few years and when he got his few tosses in he showed to be decent. Then over in Seattle the new management there had come from GB and had seen Hasselbeck play. I'm talking about straight up 6/7 round picks that sit in 3rd string for 2 seasons until they get cut, they're not starters, ever.
And your second comment nailed it. I honestly don't think Smith is that angry or pissed at all, its just the media blowing shit up that they heard "From a close friend of Alex". Alex has put up with stupider shit AKA mike FUCKING Nolan so something this small isn't going to bug him.
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I've always been a Tom / Patriots guy so I despise the Colts and Peyton. I have to say that I'm PISSED that the Colts got the number 1 pick and get Luck... They had their franchise QB for a long time, and now it SHOULD be their turn to be pitiful for 10 years searching for another like everyone else.
I hope Luck is the next Ryan Leaf....
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Soon Tebow will realize that he isn't QB material and switch to TE like he should have when he entered the draft.
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I didn't expect this, I heard this morning the odds of Denver winning the Superbowl jumped from like 1 in 56 or something like that, to 1 in 8
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On March 21 2012 01:56 Neo.NEt wrote:
I've always been a Tom / Patriots guy so I despise the Colts and Peyton. I have to say that I'm PISSED that the Colts got the number 1 pick and get Luck... They had their franchise QB for a long time, and now it SHOULD be their turn to be pitiful for 10 years searching for another like everyone else.
I hope Luck is the next Ryan Leaf....
Long time Raider fan here. Relax number #1 draft pick QB is not instant back to glory. Cough JaMarcus Russell Cough hah.
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If he really wanted to compete for a Super Bowl right away he should've gone to SF.
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Well he got one hell of a great deal in Denver so i can see what the guy was thinking... 96 million over 5 years. 18 Million smackers this year then 20 million each of the next 2 if he passes his physical.
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On March 20 2012 23:54 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 14:51 nemY wrote:On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so... I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this:
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns. Speaking of Nate Davis I'm so fucking sick of 49ers fans who think our 3rd stringers are actually NFL starters THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY ARE THIRD STRINGER QB'S. Troy Davis, Nate Davis, Scott Tolzien, these guys fucking suck, low draft pick QBs suck unless they're named Tom Brady which was one in a million. Hasselbeck is different since at least he was in a system behind Brett Favre for a few years and when he got his few tosses in he showed to be decent. Then over in Seattle the new management there had come from GB and had seen Hasselbeck play. I'm talking about straight up 6/7 round picks that sit in 3rd string for 2 seasons until they get cut, they're not starters, ever. And your second comment nailed it. I honestly don't think Smith is that angry or pissed at all, its just the media blowing shit up that they heard "From a close friend of Alex". Alex has put up with stupider shit AKA mike FUCKING Nolan so something this small isn't going to bug him.
Two more to add to the list beside or close to Tom Brady are Kurt Warner, undrafted, and Marc Bulger, 6th rounder.
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On March 20 2012 11:04 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 02:53 Hawk wrote:Thomas is the only decent WR there, with potential to grow. Decker is nothing more than average, and just clicked with Tebow a lot because they started on the practice team together early on. He's not the second coming of McCaffrey. Royal is gone, and he was the real gem there outside of Thomas. Manning kills it with speedsters who run sharp routes. The bit about the pass rush d is true, but that rush comes from exactly two spots and you'd imagine teams with a year of tape on Miller will cover him better in 12-13. Champ and Dawkins are all they have in the secondary, and as good as they are, they looked like players i ntheir mid 30s several times last year. The line is pretty decent, but i think them as good runners is slightly misleading. That has a lot more of what they were running and how that style of play complimented the line/Tebow. Moreano is running himself out of the league with his play, and Willis McGahee, as much as he rules, is 32 or 33. I still think based on the AFCW being pretty meh overall, they have a decent enough shot to win the west. However, the Chargers are still talent wise the best team and Rivers + Meachem, Royle, Floyd, Gates and Matthews is lightyears better. Their D is also in the same ballpark. It is very farm from the guarantee that they come out of the division, as everyone seems to think. I definitely do not think that team goes anywhere in the playoffs based on numerous holes that they have. The biggest hurdle of all is going to be getting all those WRs on the same page as Peyton. These dudes were running an offense last year that had what, 30 different passing plays? And they're all young too. It's not like it is some savy wrs taking a few weeks and getting in there. On March 20 2012 02:35 Zorkmid wrote:On March 20 2012 02:32 TriO wrote:
Manning doesn't want to take a pay cut(aka his ego is too big to take less money) to win another championship thats why he took Broncos over 49ers. I really hope this ends badly for him. Or maybe he just likes Denver...thinks it's a better team/city. It's money and the team's willingness to adapt to whatever suits him. It's certainly not the team being better than the Titans, or definitely not the niners. Both teams have way more talent on offense, and d's that are as good or much, much better You guys are looking at the problem in the wrong light. $40M in cap space is the #1 reason to go to Denver. Do they have everything in place today? No. Can they in the next few weeks? Yes. They can get Mike Wallace (because the Steelers won't have the cap space to match the offer/they don't pay WR's), and they can get Dallas Clark. Now tell me that's not a better corp of pass catchers than any other team in the division... assuming it happens. People are way too caught up on the stats of the WR's last year. Decker led the team with like 42 catches, and the next best was around 20, but look at who they had throwing to them. Denver is not as bad as people are making them out to be. Not to mention that the issue is getting to the playoffs... you have to get there before you can go to the big show... Do you really think that's going to happen in Tennessee? Not with the Texans over there. They won't win the division anyway. Kenny Britt isn't significantly better than anyone that the Broncos have, though he has looked very good at times... CJ is better, obviously, but that's if he decides to come to play this season. Their defense lost a couple of key players in the off season too, so who knows what that'll be like. SF would have been the best team for him to go to, but I think most people were under the impression that he wanted to be in the AFC still. Denver gives him the easiest road to the playoffs, and a pretty good team with a lot of money to make a lot of moves to get better FAST. Moreover, people concerned about time for the receivers to learn, because they're young... it's better than having some veterans who have played in X system for 5-10 years, and will have a hard time adjusting to new schemes. Young WR's are probably ideal in this situation. PLUS, Peyton is allowed to workout with those guys pretty soon... maybe immediately. They can't work out at the Broncos facilities, nor with the coaches, but they don't need either one of those things to have good workouts... these guys would be working with Peyton Fucking Manning... who needs an OC when you have the OC on the field with you? The reasonable talent on offense, decent defense (albeit old), and cap space all make Denver a good landing place for Manning. Denver is going to do EVERYTHING they need to do to get a ring this year. There is plenty of space to make moves right now, and there are still a few decent players on both sides of the ball out in FA. Addai is out there, and even though I don't think much of him, he averages over 4 ypc on a team that didn't run the ball, and he can catch out of the backfield. He'll come cheaply too. Dallas Clark, whoever is there for the line (they have a decent Center in Denver already, if you bring in Saturday, now you have a veteran C, and move the current C to G, and you have a good G too). They have one of the best LT's in the league, granted, he hasn't been as good as he was in his first two years, that can all change. People are missing the "Peyton-factor" too. He makes everyone on the offense better by default. Problems with the O-Line are lessened, because proper shifts and protections are called by the QB and (probably) veteran center. That was almost certainly NOT happening last year with Tebow or Orton. WR's are better because they're working with one of the best in the game. The running game is not necessarily hurt, because they're working with a good O-Line and have a real passing attack, so they'll probably not see a lot of 8-9 in the box. McGahee is fine at HB right now, maybe they get a guy off the market... $40M in cap space... tons of room to make moves for anyone that is out there, and future picks to bring in good players from other teams that may be struggling right now (maybe trade a pick for Samuel or something)...
I would be amazed if the Steelers didn't match Wallace if someone were to go after him. A 1st is not nearly enough compensation for him (and I am surprised they didn't qualify him at 1st/3rd rate for an extra .5m to tell people to really fuck off). They're at about $6m in space now and can surely make room for a dude who is right now a top 10 WR in the game. And they've made a determined effort to put the ball through Ben more (prorated 16 games he is between 500-550 attempts last few years vs 400-450 earlier in his career).
Second, I would be kind of surprised if Wallace did sign a deal. Because of the penalty, they'd have to make it really high to get the Steelers to not bite. On top of that, next year as a legit UFA (without a franchise at least), he could very easily make top 5 receiver money. Most teams won't put a bid in this year so they don't get tagged with a first and he/his agent know that. He'd likely get more as a UFA and would have his pick of teams vs signing a big money 5-7 year deal with Denver and have Peyton for 2-3 years and then a scrub/rookie.
Clark they could obviously get, and for cheap, and probably ditto for Addai (who'd make sense--they need a speedy dude, which better compliments Peyton, though McGahee can still be reasonably effective) However, I still do not like the skill players there on the whole. I think Thomas can be legit, but he is still young and probably a year or two away. I think Decker is nothing more than a big 3 who just clicked with Tebow because they both had a lot of time practing together with the b squad last year (actually a bulk of his stats came from Orton but whatever, I don't think he's anything special). Point is that without a major upgrade in the form of Wallace, that is a pretty iffy core, and this late in FA signings, it's not getting much better. (full list: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2012/fa/wr.html)
Also, I just disagree with the bit about young WRs being better for this. Someone who knows the ins and outs of pro offenses will just more quickly adapt and learn, and I doubt someoen is gonna be really bull headed with Peyton.
As far as the D, that is the team's strength, but it's weird. It's definitely pass rush based, but it is not like the Colts D. That pass rush, pure speed and ball hawking. They were always a pretty solid unit. If Peyton can give them 7 or 14 point leads early, they definitely have enough potential to make it work, but they definitely can use some help.
I dunno, overall the best I can see them going is 10-6. But at the same time, I can see the Chargers doing that as well, and possibly even the Raiders. They also all might go 8-8 or so again because they've got a pretty rough schedule with the AFCN and NFCS on deck. Overall, I just don't see that team having very good odds vs any of New England, Baltimore, Houston or Pittsburgh.
Any given sunday and stuff, but I think there is only so much Peyton can bring up a team without a ton of help. People forget that as great as he was, he had some very, very good skill guys around him. Wayne is great, Garcon is actually pretty damn good (but made a poor choice with Washington haha) and Collie ain't too shabby either. They all actually had decent stats considering how inept that offense was at points. Obviously, Clark was damn good too but I am not sure how much his skills have deteriorated
On March 20 2012 23:54 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 14:51 nemY wrote:On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so... I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this:
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns. Speaking of Nate Davis I'm so fucking sick of 49ers fans who think our 3rd stringers are actually NFL starters THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY ARE THIRD STRINGER QB'S. Troy Davis, Nate Davis, Scott Tolzien, these guys fucking suck, low draft pick QBs suck unless they're named Tom Brady which was one in a million.
TIM RATTAY!!!!!!
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Five years, $95 million. Manning has to pass a physical each year in order to get the money. Broncos have plenty of cap room. A great deal for them, all things considered.
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On March 21 2012 06:58 motbob wrote:
Five years, $95 million. Manning has to pass a physical each year in order to get the money. Broncos have plenty of cap room. A great deal for them, all things considered.
It worked out nicely for both, the money scheme works like this.
He will make 18M in 2012. If he passes the physical in 2013, 20M. Plays out similar for the remaining years on the contract, but lets just hope for at least 2 healthy years.
John Elway mentioned during the press conference that they do have another big move in the works. Not many big players left, other than Mike Wallace, and that would be a good move. Or maybe its just as simple as picking up Peyton's old C in Jeff Saturday.
All of this Bronco excitement has really made me overlook how great Seattle is doing with FA. Michael Bush visited there today, and I hope that turns out well. He would be a nice second option behind Lynch. As well as them having to pick one of the TE's soon. I'm leaning for them picking Visanthe Shiancoe.Flynn is no Manning, but Seattle stepping up big, very excited for them.
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Does ONE american football player changing team really deserve it's own thread? :s
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On March 21 2012 08:02 Roflhaxx wrote:
Does ONE american football player changing team really deserve it's own thread? :s
It's not one american football player, it's Peyton Manning. The QB who made me root for the Colts almost as hard as I rooted for the Broncos, now plays for the Broncos. I'm so giddy I couldn't think of anything else today until it was made official. Even if he performs below expectations, it's still something I never believed could happen until it became clear that the Colts weren't going to keep him. I haven't been truly excited about the Broncos for a while now.
Can't wait till the new jerseys are up for sale. Just hope Nike didn't completely fuck it all up.
Dallas Clark should be coming as well as there's a very clear need for TEs in Denver, and maybe Saturday. Could help him with his adaptation process.
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Honestly, I think Flynn could very easily go the route of Schaub, or totally bust. That Packer offense is really that good. Seattle's is not. That Doug Baldwin kid is pretty good though. Rice, I always wonder how much of his success was with Farve having a career year and AP freeing up a safety over top on deep plays. Lynch had himself a nice revival, but he is not in the AP category.
For the Broncos, maybe someone who knows more about their line can chime in, but I thought that they were pretty good? Saturday would have instant chemistry with Peyton obviously, but why mess with it if the incumbent is already good?
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Flynn is not on the level of Schaub in terms of Backup QB turned FA turned highly paid. Schaub got SO MANY reps in Atlanta behind Vick because every time Vick busted for a 25 yard run he had to go to the sideline for a few plays to get a breather.
Flynn on the other hand, lit up one team in week 17 and thats about it.
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On March 21 2012 03:15 ReDShiFT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 23:54 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 14:51 nemY wrote:On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so... I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this:
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns. Speaking of Nate Davis I'm so fucking sick of 49ers fans who think our 3rd stringers are actually NFL starters THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY ARE THIRD STRINGER QB'S. Troy Davis, Nate Davis, Scott Tolzien, these guys fucking suck, low draft pick QBs suck unless they're named Tom Brady which was one in a million. Hasselbeck is different since at least he was in a system behind Brett Favre for a few years and when he got his few tosses in he showed to be decent. Then over in Seattle the new management there had come from GB and had seen Hasselbeck play. I'm talking about straight up 6/7 round picks that sit in 3rd string for 2 seasons until they get cut, they're not starters, ever. And your second comment nailed it. I honestly don't think Smith is that angry or pissed at all, its just the media blowing shit up that they heard "From a close friend of Alex". Alex has put up with stupider shit AKA mike FUCKING Nolan so something this small isn't going to bug him. Two more to add to the list beside or close to Tom Brady are Kurt Warner, undrafted, and Marc Bulger, 6th rounder.
Tony Homo as well... it still happens almost never. Seriously for every Tom Brady there are a million Cody Pickett's Ken Dorsey's, JT O'Sullivan's and Chris Weinke's. Very rarely do they rise up to the levels of a Shaun Hill. Even less make it to the level of Jeff Garcia, and the one's that make it to the level of superstars are one in a million. See what I did there? And Zlasher, it's Troy Smith. Anyways I guess I should stop posting in this thread now lol.
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On March 21 2012 09:06 Zlasher wrote:
Flynn is not on the level of Schaub in terms of Backup QB turned FA turned highly paid. Schaub got SO MANY reps in Atlanta behind Vick because every time Vick busted for a 25 yard run he had to go to the sideline for a few plays to get a breather.
Flynn on the other hand, lit up one team in week 17 and thats about it.
Check that again: 66, 49 for Flynn, 70 and 66 for Schaub, with one additonal year of 20 something.
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Well....at least it wasn't the Titans. It's going to be so weird to see my absolute favorite player in a non-Colts uniform, though. =/
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On March 21 2012 02:39 DannyJ wrote:
Well he got one hell of a great deal in Denver so i can see what the guy was thinking... 96 million over 5 years. 18 Million smackers this year then 20 million each of the next 2 if he passes his physical.
Those numbers would not have been materially worse had he chosen sf or tenn. If anything, financial motivation would have pushed him to tenn since apparently an ownership stake in the franschise was also on the table.
Peyton did not choose Denver over the other two teams because the Broncos offered him a superior financial package.
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Jacob Tamme might go to Denver instead of Dallas Clark, but we'll see.
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On March 21 2012 13:39 mensrea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 02:39 DannyJ wrote:
Well he got one hell of a great deal in Denver so i can see what the guy was thinking... 96 million over 5 years. 18 Million smackers this year then 20 million each of the next 2 if he passes his physical. Those numbers would not have been materially worse had he chosen sf or tenn. If anything, financial motivation would have pushed him to tenn since apparently an ownership stake in the franschise was also on the table. Peyton did not choose Denver over the other two teams because the Broncos offered him a superior financial package.
Yeah, Denver was pretty much the most competitive team available, and I bet the fact that they are letting him have full control of the offense like he did in Indy was another dealbreaker.
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On March 21 2012 03:15 ReDShiFT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 23:54 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 14:51 nemY wrote:On March 20 2012 12:32 Zlasher wrote:On March 20 2012 10:58 cLutZ wrote:On March 20 2012 10:49 GARO wrote:On March 20 2012 09:54 justsayinbro wrote:
So niners are without a qb now? I would imagine Alex smith would want to stay w niners instead of dolphins who he's beening talking w lately. Smith rejected 3 years for 24 when Flynn just signed 3 for 26, so yeah, he's not going to find anything close to that out there, even with desperate cheap Miami. The question is if Manning to Denver + Miami situation gives him a LOT more leverage with SF now. I don't see why SF doesn't just use a low draft pick on a QB. Its really hard to imagine anyone being worse than Alex Smith long term. Low pick QB? You must really know nothing about football or the 49ers lol, when has a low pick QB ever been successful outside of Tom Brady? It is so rare. Not to mention last year the 49ers traded up to draft Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada in the 2nd round. There is no rookie that could come from the NFL and do better than Alex Smith can in the second year of this offense and this many years with his teammates, in their first year. Not even Andrew Luck or RG3. Those two guys will be much better down the road but they wouldn't have the success alex gets immediately. Plus those are far from low draft picks, those are franchise QB's that'll be taken in the top 2 picks. Alex Smith isn't a long term investment, that is why they are only offering 3 years 24 mil. It is meant to lead to Kaepernick after 2-3 years in the system, who Baalke and Harbaugh both really like. NATE DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk. Hasselbeck was a low rd QB as well though, but yeah generally it works out about once every never and the 49ers just drafted a QB in the 2nd round who's raw as shiet so... I really don't see where else Alex has to go. And yeah... I pretty much agree with this:
My friend put this on FB, and I thought it was a good enough status to post somewhere else.
"Dear Alex Smith,
Your team was trying to get Peyton Manning. That's like a preacher taking a seat because Jesus walked into the church!!! So don't take it personal. And remember the 49ers are the team that has stuck with you...up until last season you were about an ass hair away from the CFL or Arena League Football."
I'm not saying anyone is saying Smith won't go back there, but he'd have to be a really huge ass to not go back.
Like honestly... say I'm flipping burgers at McDonald's or In-N-Out or whatever and I find out my manager is trying to replace me with Peyton Manning... well fuck it man my future's in his hands, but it's no reason for me to start pouting about it... Maybe Peyton decides he wants to make pizzas instead and my job is saved... I'M STILL NOT PISSED OFF AT MANAGEMENT FOR TRYING TO REPLACE ME WITH PEYTON MOTHER-FUCKING MANNING. Manup Alex Smith, get over it, and take your 8mill/year contract like you're suppose to or go enjoy the suckfest that is the Cleveland Browns. Speaking of Nate Davis I'm so fucking sick of 49ers fans who think our 3rd stringers are actually NFL starters THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY ARE THIRD STRINGER QB'S. Troy Davis, Nate Davis, Scott Tolzien, these guys fucking suck, low draft pick QBs suck unless they're named Tom Brady which was one in a million. Hasselbeck is different since at least he was in a system behind Brett Favre for a few years and when he got his few tosses in he showed to be decent. Then over in Seattle the new management there had come from GB and had seen Hasselbeck play. I'm talking about straight up 6/7 round picks that sit in 3rd string for 2 seasons until they get cut, they're not starters, ever. And your second comment nailed it. I honestly don't think Smith is that angry or pissed at all, its just the media blowing shit up that they heard "From a close friend of Alex". Alex has put up with stupider shit AKA mike FUCKING Nolan so something this small isn't going to bug him. Two more to add to the list beside or close to Tom Brady are Kurt Warner, undrafted, and Marc Bulger, 6th rounder.
Matt Flynn 7th round. Maybe. We'll see how it plays out with him in Seattle, but the same system that decided he was a 7th rounder has now also decided that he's worth a whole bunch more.
Any confidence in the NFL talent scounting system is sorely misplaced. It is not perfect. It is not even in the same area code.
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Hope Tebow finds a good home. I liked his 4th quarter antics.
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On March 21 2012 16:31 Danglars wrote:
Hope Tebow finds a good home. I liked his 4th quarter antics.
This whole process is becoming tiring to follow. The sites try and build this up, with oh boy GB has interest in Tebow now. It could all just end sooner rather than later whenever one team offers Denver a 5th round draft pick. Jets are now currently in the mix for him, but with Sanchez's emotions I doubt it.
If it wasn't for the following Tebow has I believe he would have already been picked up. Everyone afraid of the attention he will bring. Best team for him I still believe would be GB. Nobody will be asking for Rodgers to be benched. Sure Tebow wouldn't get much playing time, but its apparent nobody wants to start him. He could learn from Rodgers and who knows, maybe he could make an exit like Flynn.
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On March 20 2012 04:18 mensrea wrote:
It's clear Manning can turn virtually any NFL team into a playoff team. The issue is whether Denver is the right choice if the goal is to win it all. I think that's the part I (and more than a few others here) am having difficulties with.
But like I said, Peyton knows his football so he probably knows something we here do not. The other part of the equation might be that winning a championship isn't as high a priority as we all think. Not saying it's not on his radar, but the thinking was that winning the SB trumped all other considerations. Perhaps that's not entirely true.
Anyway, just a bizarre choice. I'm looking forward to the explanation as the story unfolds.
I realllllly don't agree that it's "clear" that Manning can turn any team into a playoff team. This situation is absolutely bizzarre...Who seriously knows if Peyton can EVER throw the ball like he used to? No doubt he has the game intellect still, but after I heard he went to Europe for "experimental stem cell treatment"....I just can't be sure he is physically capable of playing at the level he used to be.
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