EPTPeyton Manning to Denver Broncos - Page 3
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On March 20 2012 05:30 ecstatica wrote: They actually talk about Pats not because he will sit behind Brady trying to learn, he is a horrible passer with worst passing percentages ever after all... They were talking about Pats making him into a running back or a blocker or w/e other position he might fit lol, not a backup QB. No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball. But he seems capable of running with the ball and making decisions. "No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." Oh really? And how would you know this? He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying. Your statement is patently absurd. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:34 mensrea wrote: "No decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." Oh really? And how would you know this? He's already thrown for one pretty decent franchise. I remind you the highly paid professionals running his organization decided Tebow was the better man for the job than the other option at quarterback they had, one with much better stats and mechanics (as if mechanics are anything more than indicators anyway - Tarkenton anyone? Bradshaw anyone?). He even took them to a playoff win over another pretty decent franchise, which is more than others with better prospects and better mechanics ever accomplished even after years of trying. Your statement is patently absurd. Who starts isn't just a function of skill. It's obvious that Denver never wanted to start Tebow last year. Even when he inexplicably won, Elway never had confidence in him. He gave him a half-hearted show of support when they did go to the playoffs and win a game, but only because he had to due to fan support. I don't think his opinion of Tebow as a player ever changed. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:44 Myles wrote: Who starts isn't just a function of skill. It's obvious that Denver never wanted to start Tebow last year. Even when he inexplicably won, Elway never had confidence in him. He gave him a half-hearted show of support when they did go to the playoffs and win a game, but only because he had to due to fan support. I don't think his opinion of Tebow as a player ever changed. Don't disagree with anything you say here. But it isn't an effective rebuttal of what I wrote either. I only took issue with the statement "no decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." I believe there are a few decent franchises who would want him to be their starter under center. Not all franchises. Not even most franchises. It takes the right fit and very few teams would fit - but I think there would be a few. Johnny Unitas was deemed a perennial backup because of his loopy delivery and strange mechanics. We now know how that story ended. Conventional wisdom is immutable only until the next evolutionary step. I cannot say Tebow is the second coming of Tarkenton. No one knows whether he will be a hall of famer. But I think he's shown enough in his play in the toughest, most unforgiving league in the world that given the right circumstances and support, it's more likely than not that he can become a successful NFL starting QB. Why is that conclusion so controversial? | ||
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hYdrA-MeNo
Mexico344 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:23 rabidch wrote: doesnt make sense to me either for all the above reasons. we'll see how it plays out though i don think broncos will end up grabbing any pieces WHAT!?!?!??! it doesnt make since did u wath last season? the things they did with tebow..... tebow sucked balls and still got to the playoffs now imagen what they will do with peyton.... the cotls where contenders with him and without him they were dead last.... | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On March 20 2012 07:57 mensrea wrote: Don't disagree with anything you say here. But it isn't an effective rebuttal of what I wrote either. I only took issue with the statement "no decent franchise would want this guy throwing the ball." I believe there are a few decent franchises who would want him to be their starter under center. Not all franchises. Not even most franchises. It takes the right fit and very few teams would fit - but I think there would be a few. Johnny Unitas was deemed a perennial backup because of his loopy delivery and strange mechanics. We now know how that story ended. Conventional wisdom is immutable only until the next evolutionary step. I cannot say Tebow is the second coming of Tarkenton. No one knows whether he will be a hall of famer. But I think he's shown enough in his play in the toughest, most unforgiving league in the world that given the right circumstances and support, it's more likely than not that he can become a successful NFL starting QB. Why is that conclusion so controversial? It's controversial because his skill set doesn't coincide with it. Unitas might have been deemed a backup, but the majority of people 'in the know' deem Tebow unfit for the position at all. You're banking on his intangibles - his tenaciousness, leadership, and ability to rally a team being at the top. It's a lot of faith(no pun intended) to put into him, especially considering you can't run a conventional offense and you pretty much have to build your team around him. I won't state that absolutely no team will do this, but it seems unlikely without near perfect circumstances. It's splitting hairs, but I think a few is closer to one, two if he's lucky. edit: And I guess the rebuttal would have been to you using Denver as an example of a professional franchise starting Tebow. They didn't do if because they thought he would give them a good chance to win. The other quarterback wasn't winning them games, so fans demanded they try Tebow. edit2: mistake correction - I thought Denver tried Brady for a game or two. I was wrong. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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ShyB0x
United States37 Posts
With the recent WR acquisitions and the ones already on the team along with the running game AND the defense.... What happened to all that Tebow talk during last season by Elway and the Broncos?? theyre so full of it... and horray! even MORE Tebow talk... -_- | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On March 20 2012 08:42 Curu wrote: lol...oh dear | ||
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justsayinbro
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LeaD
Canada464 Posts
On March 20 2012 08:44 ShyB0x wrote: ohhh mann.... at least im not the only one who thought the Niners were the best fit for Manning. And take it anyway you want but that is honestly my unbiased opinion on it since I am a Niners fan. With the recent WR acquisitions and the ones already on the team along with the running game AND the defense.... What happened to all that Tebow talk during last season by Elway and the Broncos?? theyre so full of it... and horray! even MORE Tebow talk... -_- The problem for the 49ers was they seemed to only put one foot forward in their discussions with Manning, they really didn't seem to put as much into as the Broncos did. There's probably a bunch of factors that helped the Broncos: A) They are the team that's completely willing to let Manning control the offense and do as he likes, and have proven with Tebow they can adjust an offense to fit their quarterbacks needs. The 49ers weren't going to do this with Harbaugh, Manning would have had to learn his playbook and take time away from rehab. B) John Elway has a really good relationship with Manning, won 2 Superbowls in his late 30s and would be perfect to give Manning advice. C) John Fox is a players coach and is a well respected veteran coach, even if Harbaugh did amazing stuff last year, Fox is still a seasoned veteran that's been to the superbowl. D) NFC means no all Manning Superbowl and possibly knocking each other out early in the playoffs. E) The Broncos have a ridiculous amount of cap room that would allow them to pay Manning whatever he wants and get all the necessary pieces, including old teammates of Manning to make him feel more comfortable in the offense. | ||
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justsayinbro
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enzymezero
United States65 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
Tebow should remain a Bronco, but its beyond obvious at this point Elway doesn't want him. Question is who will play back up if they get rid of Tebow with Quinn already out the door. Manning sure is healthy... | ||
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