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On December 27 2012 11:45 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Wow, really? It's not THAT bad. There weren't a lot of snubs or anything this year, but I think the overall talent isn't quite what it usually is.
AFC QB's are so weak after Manning/Brady, imo. Schaub isn't having a Pro Bowl year, but for the AFC this year, it's pretty close to third best.
I know the Chiefs suck this year, but the guys that went are very good players. Charles is having a wonderful year, Tamba Hali is a great player (and is playing well this season), Derrick Johnson is deserving, and Eric Berry is one of the best Safeties in the league, even on a bad team.
The biggest AFC snub, imo, was Demaryius Thomas. I think he belongs over AJ or Wayne this season. Welker never puts up the numbers that these guys put up, but he's probably the best slot WR in the league.
AJ's stats 100 rec 1,457 yds 14.6 avg 97.1 ypg 4 TD
Wayne's stats: 102 rec 1,315 yds 12.9 avg 87.7 ypg 5 TD
DT's stats: 87 rec 1,312 yds 15.1 avg 87.5 ypg 9 TD
AJ has more catches and yards, but worse average, and five fewer TD's. Wayne's has more catches, and only 3 more yards; he's having a great season given that his QB isn't Peyton Manning any longer, but it's not a better year than DT's, imo. Admittedly, I am biased in this opinion.
The rest of the AFC roster is hard to pick at, discounting O linemen (because I don't really know enough about them to judge, nor do I really care). The only player I'm sure doesn't belong on a Pro Bowl line is Jeff Saturday, in the NFC.
Victor Cruz does not belong over names like these: Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston and Dez Bryant.
I probably would have put Richard Sherman in over Tim Jennings, given the time that he missed this season, but it's hard to argue with the NFC's DB selection, imo. The whole PED thing couldn't have helped late season votes, either. I was shocked to not see Briggs in the Pro Bowl this season, but I think the three that are going are hard to beat.
I really don't think either roster is that bad, but I think we're seeing a changing of guard here and that probably upsets some fans. Some of the old-timers we've come to expect to see are being replaced by the second and third year players that are on the rise.
Biggest AFC Snub was Brandon Fields. Yes, he's just a punter but all the same he is much better than Colquitt.
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On December 27 2012 12:49 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 11:45 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Wow, really? It's not THAT bad. There weren't a lot of snubs or anything this year, but I think the overall talent isn't quite what it usually is.
AFC QB's are so weak after Manning/Brady, imo. Schaub isn't having a Pro Bowl year, but for the AFC this year, it's pretty close to third best.
I know the Chiefs suck this year, but the guys that went are very good players. Charles is having a wonderful year, Tamba Hali is a great player (and is playing well this season), Derrick Johnson is deserving, and Eric Berry is one of the best Safeties in the league, even on a bad team.
The biggest AFC snub, imo, was Demaryius Thomas. I think he belongs over AJ or Wayne this season. Welker never puts up the numbers that these guys put up, but he's probably the best slot WR in the league.
AJ's stats 100 rec 1,457 yds 14.6 avg 97.1 ypg 4 TD
Wayne's stats: 102 rec 1,315 yds 12.9 avg 87.7 ypg 5 TD
DT's stats: 87 rec 1,312 yds 15.1 avg 87.5 ypg 9 TD
AJ has more catches and yards, but worse average, and five fewer TD's. Wayne's has more catches, and only 3 more yards; he's having a great season given that his QB isn't Peyton Manning any longer, but it's not a better year than DT's, imo. Admittedly, I am biased in this opinion.
The rest of the AFC roster is hard to pick at, discounting O linemen (because I don't really know enough about them to judge, nor do I really care). The only player I'm sure doesn't belong on a Pro Bowl line is Jeff Saturday, in the NFC.
Victor Cruz does not belong over names like these: Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, Marques Colston and Dez Bryant.
I probably would have put Richard Sherman in over Tim Jennings, given the time that he missed this season, but it's hard to argue with the NFC's DB selection, imo. The whole PED thing couldn't have helped late season votes, either. I was shocked to not see Briggs in the Pro Bowl this season, but I think the three that are going are hard to beat.
I really don't think either roster is that bad, but I think we're seeing a changing of guard here and that probably upsets some fans. Some of the old-timers we've come to expect to see are being replaced by the second and third year players that are on the rise. Biggest AFC Snub was Brandon Fields. Yes, he's just a punter but all the same he is much better than Colquitt.
Just a punter is key there.
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On December 27 2012 12:48 TranceStorm wrote:The number of bad decisions Clarett made is astounding. To think that he avoided committing murder entirely by chance is a very scary thought. At least prison seems to have turned him around.
I totally believe in him this time. No really.
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On December 27 2012 13:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 12:48 TranceStorm wrote:The number of bad decisions Clarett made is astounding. To think that he avoided committing murder entirely by chance is a very scary thought. At least prison seems to have turned him around. I totally believe in him this time. No really.
I don't really like to see people fail at life, so I really hope he's gotten himself turned around this time. Sad to see the talent he had completely squandered like that.
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Office pool this week expected to be $100 I'm giving it one last shot
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You know what i miss the most from alex smith not playing is hearing his shouts at the line of scrimmage it man ups the niners imo. Kap too clean.
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On December 28 2012 04:44 semantics wrote:You know what i miss the most from alex smith not playing is hearing his shouts at the line of scrimmage it man ups the niners imo. Kap too clean. + Show Spoiler +
What's stupid is that if it was Tom Brady calling plays with blood on his face, they would show that clip a thousand times, write stories about it, and tout him as the greatest, grittiest competitor of all time. You know, Curt Schilling bloody-sock masturbatory stuff.
Alex is tough, played well, was efficient, had the stats, had the wins, but the bias of the media has been apparent from day 1. He was often called the worst QB in the league just two years ago under Singletary by ESPN folk on a daily basis. When they turned it around last year, the media claimed SF won games despite him. When Kappy had one good game, the media fawned over him.
It's all very interesting because sports journalism's job should be to report and investigate, but media monsters like ESPN can directly influence the sports themselves with whatever agenda it is they know will get the most viewers.
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On December 28 2012 08:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 04:44 semantics wrote:You know what i miss the most from alex smith not playing is hearing his shouts at the line of scrimmage it man ups the niners imo. Kap too clean. + Show Spoiler + What's stupid is that if it was Tom Brady calling plays with blood on his face, they would show that clip a thousand times, write stories about it, and tout him as the greatest, grittiest competitor of all time. You know, Curt Schilling bloody-sock masturbatory stuff. Alex is tough, played well, was efficient, had the stats, had the wins, but the bias of the media has been apparent from day 1. He was often called the worst QB in the league just two years ago under Singletary by ESPN folk on a daily basis. When they turned it around last year, the media claimed SF won games despite him. When Kappy had one good game, the media fawned over him. It's all very interesting because sports journalism's job should be to report and investigate, but media monsters like ESPN can directly influence the sports themselves with whatever agenda it is they know will get the most viewers.
Welcome to the sad, pathetic world of journalism. It's nothing more than poorly written bandwagon hopping these days. No one investigates and reports objectively in almost any arena, and, given how meaningless sports are in comparison to real life issues, it should come as no surprise that sports journalism is at the bottom of the integrity scale.
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To be fair, Smith was pretty fucking awful for basically his entire career prior to 2011...yes he played on some terrible teams, but for his first five years in the league the guy was just bad.
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On December 28 2012 09:50 Wolfswood wrote:
To be fair, Smith was pretty fucking awful for basically his entire career prior to 2011...yes he played on some terrible teams, but for his first five years in the league the guy was just bad.
He didn't look that bad 2009-2010 he looked more like a backup QB, mediocre and replaceable but not horrible nothing quite the level of shitchez or w.e arizonia is doing and before that injured injured injured, which is why i don't think he'll end up in arizona even if niners release him at end of season. He'll just end up getting re-injured a QB should only have to survive in a shitty o-line once a career. He's mostly just been a disappointment considering his draft position.
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Seahawks' CB Richard Sherman wins appeal
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8783832/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-wins-appeal-suspended
The TLDR is that he wasn't lying about the cup holding his urine sample leaking. We can't say he did or did not take anything recently, or ever, but he won his appeal with a legitimate argument of the possibility of contamination. The dude who stuck it in a second cup is no doubt going to get fired. Maybe Sherman and Ryan Braun are friends on facebook?
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Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well  Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno 
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On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno
That's a pretty absurd accusation.
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On December 29 2012 09:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno That's a pretty absurd accusation.
Agreed. Mishandling of the sample is a legitimate reason.
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On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno
This isn't the NCAA.
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On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno
Lol at least half the Nfl is using some sort of recovery agent. No knock against them they work their asses off and play hard. But you can't play at that kind of level for that long naturally and people pay to see it so it gets looked over.
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On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno
No, the NFL is not rigging their PED appeals policy because the Seattle Seahawks are doing well.
also: eat it hawk called this shit at the beginning of the season!
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On December 25 2012 01:38 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 12:05 Wolfswood wrote:On December 24 2012 11:19 Damiani wrote:
@ Wolfswood
Hey you see a chip shot fg is never guaranteed. Thank god that didn't happen last week against NE. Is English not your first language or something? Because you have the reading comprehension of an elementary school student. oh, also, suck it SF. new sheriff in town. This statement is hilariously inaccurate. We split the season series 1-1. And the 49ers still have the inside track on the NFC West, a win over Arizona next week and we win the division. So unless the 49ers manage to choke majorly, I'm talking Cubs level choke here, then we are still top dog in the West. Sorry to break it to you...
Fun things to point out, Only Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers are the only two QB's who threw 3+ TD's against Arizonia's defense. Their secondary is great against the pass, shame can't be said about their line and the run defense. Ofc Arizona is the team with 5 picks against the falcons still managed to lose because of their offense that seems to play for the other team.
It's a secondary that held Rodgers 200 yards 4td's 1int and shitty completion%, Tom brady to 300 yards and 1 TD 1INT, Ryan Tannehill got 400 yards but only 1 TD and 2ints, Matt Ryan what 5ints and 0TD's, Stafford 0td's and 3int's,
In fact looking into it Alex Smith, Jay Cutler, Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick are the only QB's to not throw an INT except, Vick 200 yards no TD, Fitzpatrick 150 yards no TD, Cutler 150 yards 1TD all but Smith posting sub 55% completion rates as low as 45%.
No worries for niners though kap can throw as many picks as he wants ARI's offense will throw more whoever is at QB.
On December 24 2012 13:21 GTR wrote:
We all know that either RG3/Luck/Wilson will be OROY, but I am completely stumped as to who are the potential candidates for DROY.
RG3 really though and Luck to some extent. Wilson isn't exactly doing great QBing. Despite the high scores of the past few weeks have been due to other things, running 3 in against buffalo isn't exactly hard and throwing a TD and an Int for less then 200 yards against Arizonia the week before but getting 58 points of an explosive run game and great defense that got pick6's again not much about being a great traditional QB.
Great defense and special teams had left Wilson a lot of good opportunities where he hasn't had to drive the ball down the field much himself, not throwing a lot and leaning on a good run game, sound fimilar? What has been great from him though is in the red zone 2nd half of the season he's been getting there and he's been getting more consistent. But RG3 is really where it's at if it's anyone but RG3 i'd be surprised just off popularity and performance.
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On December 29 2012 15:44 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 05:01 farvacola wrote:Makes one wonder if Sherman even needed a legitimate argument at all, with the Seahawks doing well Not that I'm complaining, I love watching the dude play, but what if the Seahawks were not doing so well? Would this appeal still have gone through? I dunno Lol at least half the Nfl is using some sort of recovery agent. No knock against them they work their asses off and play hard. But you can't play at that kind of level for that long naturally and people pay to see it so it gets looked over.
Well, Sherman wasn't even busted on "recovery agents," he and the other guy (can't remember his name) were busted on Adderall.
That said, if you're not on the juice in the NFL... well... you're not in the NFL. Listen to any honest pro player talk, and they all talk about how the juice is pushed on them. College players (hell, people I've talked to personally; former college players) say that the instant they step into that locker room they're told "if you want to make it in this game, you're going to need to get on something." It's crazy. There are tons of undetectable substances out there, because the makers are always ahead of the testers (SARM's have no test, for instance, HGH has difficult testing, etc).
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