EPTNFL 2012 Season - Page 158
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
On November 26 2012 08:28 semantics wrote: Kaep is doing fine considering how long he's been in the nfl. It shows in the snap and before the snap he doesn't make the same reads as alex which effects the run game, for the most part kaep has been making this up with sheer athletic ability. But i'd worry about production if he plays against a top pass defense. For the most part i don't count the bears because they played man on man for alot of the game and then kaep just shut it down and let the defense hold the lead for the rest of the game, which only worked due to the talent on the niners receivers. They sold out their pass def to hold niners run game, expecting kaep to run more then he did. I think a lot of what Kaep did against the Bears was due to the line, the run game, and the fact hte bears had nothign as far as game tape on him. Kaep will be a pretty decent play in the league at worst. He's got the skilsl to succeed if you can't game plan him. As far as who is better right now, I don't know. I really do like Kaep's decision making. It is underrated a lot. Smith is probably a smarter player atm. Maybe a tad more accurate on short-med balls. Kaep can throw the deep ball which Smith cannot do at all, and he throws hard enoough to beat the seams on cover 2s and all that. Idk why the media has been saying smith can't run because he can better than most, but Kaep is very very quick. it's hard. I jsut feel really, really bad for Alex Smith  | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On November 26 2012 18:39 Teoita wrote: I still don't like Harbaugh's move at all...i mean, Mark freaking Sanchez looked great in his first two NFL games didn't he? I understand that Kaepernick is his guy but starting him mid season makes no sense. It makes sense if Kaepernick continues to play at a high level. If he stumbles, it doesn't make any sense at all. The ceiling on CK appears to be much higher than Smith's ceiling, and he brings an added dimension to the offense, which could help the 49'ers in the playoffs (namely, he can throw deep). It's better that he's getting some starts now, in far less "important" games, than if they tried to throw him to the wolves in playoff football. The 49'ers now get ample time to study their young signal caller, and see if they believe he'd be capable of taking them on a long, deep playoff run, hopefully culminating in a Super Bowl berth. It makes all the sense in the world; it's just incredibly risky. The good thing is that the guy he's replacing is completely adapted to being overlooked, and stepped on throughout his career. If any QB in the league could rebound from being benched, it's Smith. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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semantics
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On November 26 2012 13:24 QuanticHawk wrote: I think a lot of what Kaep did against the Bears was due to the line, the run game, and the fact hte bears had nothign as far as game tape on him. Kaep will be a pretty decent play in the league at worst. He's got the skilsl to succeed if you can't game plan him. As far as who is better right now, I don't know. I really do like Kaep's decision making. It is underrated a lot. Smith is probably a smarter player atm. Maybe a tad more accurate on short-med balls. Kaep can throw the deep ball which Smith cannot do at all, and he throws hard enoough to beat the seams on cover 2s and all that. Idk why the media has been saying smith can't run because he can better than most, but Kaep is very very quick. it's hard. I jsut feel really, really bad for Alex Smith Yes the athletic ability is there but it's the veterans covering all of that niner team that is carrying him. Having a cannon for a arm and being quick on your feet isn't enough to be a qb to replace smith atm, not with the efficiency smith plays. Peyton never had a cannon for a arm and much like alex his deep balls are accurate but wobbley, you do know who had a cannon for a arm jamarcus russell, ofc i'm cherry picking ability to show it takes more then just athletic ability to make in as a qb, obv by now kaep is going to turn out better then russell he has the work ethic to be good, but making a switch this late in the season to pretty much a new offense would be throwing away niners chances to win superbowl. I just hate to lose a superbowl run, off people get wet because he throws a deep ball with ease. On November 26 2012 19:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: It makes sense if Kaepernick continues to play at a high level. If he stumbles, it doesn't make any sense at all. The ceiling on CK appears to be much higher than Smith's ceiling, and he brings an added dimension to the offense, which could help the 49'ers in the playoffs (namely, he can throw deep). It's better that he's getting some starts now, in far less "important" games, than if they tried to throw him to the wolves in playoff football. The 49'ers now get ample time to study their young signal caller, and see if they believe he'd be capable of taking them on a long, deep playoff run, hopefully culminating in a Super Bowl berth. It makes all the sense in the world; it's just incredibly risky. The good thing is that the guy he's replacing is completely adapted to being overlooked, and stepped on throughout his career. If any QB in the league could rebound from being benched, it's Smith. Such a shitty way we treat smith lol, if any guy can take being treated like shit it's smith. Apparently that is his best quality lol. I still say if he doesn't get starting qb next year he move to greenbay then he can be a body double for aaron rodgers. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On a fun FF related note unless Steve Smith can be kept under 4 points tonight the 2nd highest team in the history of my 9 year FF league will be knocked out of playoff contention tonight. FF is a cruel horrible bitch. | ||
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
Tannehill is putting the ball up in some very bad spots. Rookie growing pains kill me. Especially after the first 6 weeks when we were 2 missed FGs away from 5-1 and first in the AFC East. Atleast Tannehill has the obvious talent to be able to reach great heights. For once in the last 15 years i have a feeling of hope for this franchises future unlike when we had Henne/Frerote/Feeley/Lemon/Culpepper blah blah blah. Need to somehow teach myself to accept how the rest of the season plays out and just keep myself hopeful we get some weapons on the offseason in skill positions and Tannehill only grows into the QB weve been looking for. Its time someone stops NE from cakewalking into the fucking playoffs. | ||
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iref
Slovakia70 Posts
On November 26 2012 19:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: It makes sense if Kaepernick continues to play at a high level. If he stumbles, it doesn't make any sense at all. The ceiling on CK appears to be much higher than Smith's ceiling, and he brings an added dimension to the offense, which could help the 49'ers in the playoffs (namely, he can throw deep). It's better that he's getting some starts now, in far less "important" games, than if they tried to throw him to the wolves in playoff football. The 49'ers now get ample time to study their young signal caller, and see if they believe he'd be capable of taking them on a long, deep playoff run, hopefully culminating in a Super Bowl berth. It makes all the sense in the world; it's just incredibly risky. The good thing is that the guy he's replacing is completely adapted to being overlooked, and stepped on throughout his career. If any QB in the league could rebound from being benched, it's Smith. I agree with you. Kaep will be good choice for everyone while he s winning games. Problem is that I don't see him make right decisions in very close games, not because he is not capable, but because he just doesn't have experience. On the other hand, I am highly biased because Alex Smith grew on me in last 2 seasons. One thing I really like about him is that he plays smart football, he does not make many mistakes and that is one thing I really appreciate after Vick nearly sunk my fantasy team.  Funny thing is that if Alex didn't get concussion 3 weeks ago, he would still be starter... | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On November 26 2012 19:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: It makes sense if Kaepernick continues to play at a high level. If he stumbles, it doesn't make any sense at all. The ceiling on CK appears to be much higher than Smith's ceiling, and he brings an added dimension to the offense, which could help the 49'ers in the playoffs (namely, he can throw deep). It's better that he's getting some starts now, in far less "important" games, than if they tried to throw him to the wolves in playoff football. The 49'ers now get ample time to study their young signal caller, and see if they believe he'd be capable of taking them on a long, deep playoff run, hopefully culminating in a Super Bowl berth. It makes all the sense in the world; it's just incredibly risky. The good thing is that the guy he's replacing is completely adapted to being overlooked, and stepped on throughout his career. If any QB in the league could rebound from being benched, it's Smith. If the 49ers were a struggling team i'd agree. However, they are basically putting the season in Kaepernick's hands, which i just don't understand when Smith has taken them to the NFC championship game...it's like they are hoping they found the second coming of Tom freaking Brady. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:12 Teoita wrote: If the 49ers were a struggling team i'd agree. However, they are basically putting the season in Kaepernick's hands, which i just don't understand when Smith has taken them to the NFC championship game...it's like they are hoping they found the second coming of Tom freaking Brady. Well, it has only been 2 games, but I haven't seen anything from Kaepernick yet that makes me prefer that Smith go back in. Also, this conversation was coming at some point. As soon as Harbaugh drafted Kaepernick, the writing was on the wall for Smith. Things just seem to be happening sooner rather than later. Regardless, the most important point in my mind is that the coaching staff seems to trust Kaepernick. Let's be honest: the Niners coaching staff may be the best in football and has absolutely been spot on with personnel decisions and managing talent. If they think that Kaepernick is ready, then he's probably ready. | ||
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semantics
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On November 27 2012 00:12 Teoita wrote: If the 49ers were a struggling team i'd agree. However, they are basically putting the season in Kaepernick's hands, which i just don't understand when Smith has taken them to the NFC championship game...it's like they are hoping they found the second coming of Tom freaking Brady. And the thing was alex didn't lose them the championship game he threw for 200 yards and 2td's no picks against the gaints and alex def bailed out the defense in the post season saints game, with 3td's + 1 rushing td off the 28 yard bootleg. He looked solid in the post season outside of bad completion rates but nyg game that was mostly off so many drops. I can't see why you would switch him out at least now when he's played this season great outside of 2 bad games. The only way i see this making sense is if Niners are looking to get rid of alex after this season for the money, not that alex is paid a shit ton to begin with hell i think matt cassel, carson palmer, hell even mark sanchez etc make more then him and move to kaep and they wanted to test to see if kaep could be made into a starting QB, else why not keep alex around as a mentor for kaep and introduce kaep like they have little by little in a low pressure to perform basis. I can see why they would want kaep over alex, he's clearly more athletic he's 2 years younger and didn't spend several years injured but that isn't enough for a superbowl run, that's a long term investment. Are they looking to develop a qb or win the superbowl and develop the qb, kaep isn't going anywhere not yet and you can start him next season or the season after to keep him here before his contract is up. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
On November 27 2012 00:41 semantics wrote: And the thing was alex didn't lose them the championship game he threw for 200 yards and 2td's no picks against the gaints and alex def bailed out the defense in the post season saints game, with 3td's + 1 rushing td off the 28 yard bootleg. He looked solid in the post season outside of bad completion rates but nyg game that was mostly off so many drops. I can't see why you would switch him out at least now when he's played this season great outside of 2 bad games. The only way i see this making sense is if Niners are looking to get rid of alex after this season for the money, not that alex is paid a shit ton to begin with hell i think matt cassel makes more then him and move to kaep and they wanted to test to see if kaep could be made into a starting QB, else why not keep alex around as a mentor for kaep and introduce kaep like they have little by little in a low pressure to perform basis. I can see why they would want kaep over alex, he's clearly more athletic he's 2 years younger and didn't spend several years injured but that isn't enough for a superbowl run, that's a long term investment. Are they looking to develop a qb or win the superbowl and develop the qb, kaep isn't going anywhere not yet and you can start him next season or the season after to keep him here before his contract is up. This is 100 percent accurate. The Niners wideouts looked like dogshit in the NYG game. That was back when VD was still amazing, not invisible like he is half the time these days... that fucker cost me again in FF. It is still really weird timing. Smith has played very well again this year outside of one game. He doesn't turn the ball over, makes good decisions and can make some plays here and there. It definitely is nothing he did (this sounds like that speech you get before getting dumped haha) However, Kaep, outside of that one interception, I think has played very smart as well. And plain and simple, he can actually throw a deep ball, which Alex is horrible at. He can put zip on the ball to get into those seams on cover 2s and other zone coverages that Alex really can't unless it is a touch pass. I dunno, I am torn because I am a bit hesitant to take a guy out who plays smart, safe football for a rookie who is still learning, even if he looks really good thus far. I do think that this has nothing to do with money and everything to do with what they see in Kaep. As much as I like Smith and what he does, you can simply have a deeper playbook because all of the stuff they can do in the medium-deep range now. He's been on the bench learning and it's clear from all his reads and line audibles that he knows his shit. On November 26 2012 19:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: The good thing is that the guy he's replacing is completely adapted to being overlooked, and stepped on throughout his career. If any QB in the league could rebound from being benched, it's Smith. so sad but so true. Poor Alex If we do stick with Kaep, I really hope he lands somewhere good. Poor guy's probably gonna end up in KC or Philly of all places though, which have shit lines and shit coaches. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
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semantics
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On November 27 2012 09:50 QuanticHawk wrote: That dipshit Fireman Ed who does that obnoxious Jets chant retired today bc the other fans were too mean to him hahahahahhahahahahahahhahah Ofc it has to be obnoxious else how can you support the jets, jets were a joke until recently although they returned to being a joke, back to that 2nd class nfl team. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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xDaunt
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
Probably not. Poor foles. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
God, I love Philly sports fans. | ||
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