EPTNFL 2012 Season - Page 157
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 26 2012 09:58 Sermokala wrote: Whoever they decide will be their starter they can just trade the other for a really good player. Would not be sad at all to see him traded to the viks for jared allen. While they may trade Smith, they will never trade Kaepernick. He is the future one way or another. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 26 2012 09:32 semantics wrote: Eh, Alex brought the team to NFC Championship and although he didn't win it for them he wasn't one of the bigger reasons why they lost against the giants. Kaep does really well in stretching the field but he's not exactly on fire this game a rushing TD and a throwing TD + and INT for 260 yards against the saints def isn't exactly blowing alex away, Kaep def looks like our guy next year or the year after but i wouldn't want to run with him in the playoffs, he played great against bears but he's only played okay against the saints, similar to the rams game he played okay, but he doesn't eat up the clock as much and his reads doesn't help the run game as much. I just don't think they can get kaep up there in time to be considered better then alex. Niners using their lead in NFC West of 1 game to test the water with kaep i'd say they bump alex back up to starter for rest of the season, kaep is still too undeveloped for a playoff run. Kaep is more flashy for similar throwing production but i think alex gets us wins with his mistake free style of play and solid production. It is hard to say that how the game would have gone had Smith been in there, but there were another half dozen plays or so that Kaepernick made that Smith is incapable of making. Though Kaepernick is not as refined as Smith, it definitely doesn't look like he is materially far behind. I would be surprised if Harbaugh doesn't run with Kaepernick going forward. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Amazingly frustrating. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:16 DannyJ wrote: That 4th and 29 basically knocked me out of my FF league... Led to 6 more points for my opponents kicker. Amazingly frustrating. You should join the rest of San Diego and petition for the firing of Norv Turner. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:14 xDaunt wrote: It is hard to say that how the game would have gone had Smith been in there, but there were another half dozen plays or so that Kaepernick made that Smith is incapable of making. Though Kaepernick is not as refined as Smith, it definitely doesn't look like he is materially far behind. I would be surprised if Harbaugh doesn't run with Kaepernick going forward. Smith wouldn't be in the position to throw for 40 or so, he reads def better and gets more out of our run game, similar alex is one of the best in the league against the blitz so he be great against the saints. So i think Alex would have done just as much as kaep did in the game 17 points of offense against saints, except he wouldn't have throw a pick. Alex did great against a better saints def last year in the playoffs. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:22 xDaunt wrote: You should join the rest of San Diego and petition for the firing of Norv Turner. Haha I've been ready to sign that petition for years. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:27 semantics wrote: Smith wouldn't be in the position to throw for 40 or so, he reads def better and gets more out of our run game, similar alex is one of the best in the league against the blitz so he be great against the saints. So i think Alex would have done just as much as kaep did in the game 17 points of offense against saints, except he wouldn't have throw a pick. Alex did great against a better saints def last year in the playoffs. You need to factor in the relatively heavy pressure that the Saints got on Kaernick most of the game. Smith would have taken 2-3 extra sacks easily simply because he is easier to bring down than Kaepernick. I wouldn't expect Smith to do nearly as well as he did last year in the playoffs. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10342 Posts
How surprised are we... They wanted to trade him away to get Payton Manning even after the team did amazing last year. Trading away your starter for a one-shot/two-shot veteran Hall-of-Famer? Defensible. Leaving Alex in the corner for Kaep? Kicking him while he's down, it seems. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:16 DannyJ wrote: That 4th and 29 basically knocked me out of my FF league... Led to 6 more points for my opponents kicker. Amazingly frustrating. I have that kicker. Unfortunately, those extra points won't mean much since Vernon Davis decided to single-handedly wreck my team. I stuck with him until I lost a game because I had Greg Olsen in my bench when Olsen scored 30+ points. Vernon decided to score 20 last week from my bench then 0 this week when I brought him back to the starting line-up. edit: Wow, McCarthy looks like he wants to completely wreck Crosby's confidence. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Life is rough for Alex Smith. Everyone thought he was a joke under Singletary. Then Harbaugh comes in and the team does a complete 180, including Alex himself. Each season he improves, even going 18-for-19 in his last start. But it's too late. They wanted to bury Alex 2/3 years ago. They've been waiting for an excuse to get rid of him. So what happens? He gets hurt and Kaep on his first start ever does pretty well, and everyone in the media is calling for a QB controversy based on a single game. Well, a well-composed coach sticks his trusted starter -- No wait, he doesn't. Coach develops his own man-crush and then starts Kaep for the next game. How surprised are we... They wanted to trade him away to get Payton Manning even after the team did amazing last year. Trading away your starter for a one-shot/two-shot veteran Hall-of-Famer? Defensible. Leaving Alex in the corner for Kaep? Kicking him while he's down, it seems. Yeah, there is no debating that Smith has been treated like dog shit. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:42 xDaunt wrote: You need to factor in the relatively heavy pressure that the Saints got on Kaernick most of the game. Smith would have taken 2-3 extra sacks easily simply because he is easier to bring down than Kaepernick. I wouldn't expect Smith to do nearly as well as he did last year in the playoffs. Smith wouldn't need to scramble as much as kaep did because he would have check it down quicker, Just saying what kaep played today doesn't scream to me he be better for the niners at best i see him doing as well as alex under this system but more likely worse. 17 points on offense, 260ish yards of passing and a pick people saying alex played like a bad game. Alex came off flawless game against arizona and before he left the rams game he lead a solid drive ending with a TD. The 2 and half games with kaep running the game doesn't scream to be superbowl level play. I just don't see kaep winning us a superbowl as much as i see alex. Also alex would have never had problems with the snap he takes it less in a pistol or shotgun and he gets really fucking low to the ground when he takes a snap, vanishes behind the OLine :D I say smith finishes the season and you throw up the position in the offseason. Having a cannon for an arm and being more mobile then alex smith is hardly reason to give the boot to a solid QB. Peyton never had a cannon for an arm he probably had a better deep ball but he rarely needed it reading defenses and throwing solid balls has been enough for him. People are getting all hard over kaep but pressure to perform could have been very much what killed Smith's career, resulting in disappointment, injury and a pretty bad career minus the new era. Kaep could be QB next season but he really looks like he would need a different system, he's not the best fit for what they are doing at the moment on offense. | ||
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TriO
United States421 Posts
On November 26 2012 09:58 Sermokala wrote: Whoever they decide will be their starter they can just trade the other for a really good player. Would not be sad at all to see him traded to the viks for jared allen. Why would the viks take him for allen when they already have a QB? It makes no sense. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:14 TriO wrote: Why would the viks take him for allen when they already have a QB? It makes no sense. Also niners wouldn't trade kaep when they are developing him, he's not really that much younger then alex, but alex has a history of injury with his shoulder but yes they do seem like they are looking for something else then what alex is bringing. The thing is alex wouldn't be a back up QB based off years of what alex is he competes for his job and he wants the starter role probably wouldn't be content with being a back up, anyways if he was back up he should be back up to aaron rodgers and then one game rodgers and smith can trade numbers and no one could tell till game started. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14017 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:14 TriO wrote: Why would the viks take him for allen when they already have a QB? It makes no sense. Christian ponder is a terrible qb and is the source of all the teams problems. If we even had a tebow level qb we'd be playoff bound. Minnesota has a history of terrible qb's, we had a graybeard farve and that made us a super bowl level team (until the saints put a hit on farve and broke the guy with the dirtiest qb hits you've ever seen). Honestly Ponder is a terrible qb and always was. his only good points have come at the amazing level of play that harvan and adrian can pull out. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:24 Sermokala wrote: Christian ponder is a terrible qb and is the source of all the teams problems. If we even had a tebow level qb we'd be playoff bound. Minnesota has a history of terrible qb's, we had a graybeard farve and that made us a super bowl level team (until the saints put a hit on farve and broke the guy with the dirtiest qb hits you've ever seen). Honestly Ponder is a terrible qb and always was. his only good points have come at the amazing level of play that harvan and adrian can pull out. There are two bigger problems than Ponder in Minnesota. 1) Lack of play makers. Harvin is good, but he's not a #1, down field threat. He's an open space, "see what he can do with the ball in his hands," kind of player. Most of his receptions come within three yards or less from the LOS. That's not good if you want to open running space for AP. AP is great, but being the half back, he's certainly not going to back up the safeties and open the field up for himself, or for the short to mid passing game. Jerome Simpson is a good number two, or slot receiver, but not a guy that's stretching the field for the Vikings either. 2) Bad play calling. If a down field threat exists for the Vikings, they're never giving the guy a shot. Their offense is pretty vanilla from what I've seen. The major problem, though, is problem one. With some guys to throw to, Ponder may be able to develop into a better QB than he is right now. Without some help around him, we'll never really know how good or bad he could be. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10342 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:58 BloodNinja wrote: So I just turn into the GB/Giants game and get to see Osi with a strip/sack and then a shot of Aaron Rodger's extremely dirty stash. movember | ||
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