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Hong Kong9157 Posts
On March 22 2012 03:46 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:37 seRapH wrote:On March 22 2012 03:17 Euronyme wrote:
Holy shit.... HOLY SHIT!
Did anyone know that if muslims conquer the 'big counties' such as rome, venzia and genoa with cities / churches as main titles or whatever, those holdings turn into castles?
In my game Rome has a castle on top, and there's no 'wrong type of government' penalty! O_______O Actually, if you own a minor castle, and the county capital is a church/city (that you own, of course), then the capital will automatically move to the castle. So not really  , this is often the result of holy wars or building a castle in the county. That's rarely useful though, as those you really care about are maxed out from scratch. That's really interesting though.. So if I have a prince bishopry and build a castle in it it'll turn into a regular county?
No. Generally the way to go about it is to grant the county to a castle baron. The capital of the county will then switch to the castle.
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On March 22 2012 04:31 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:46 Euronyme wrote:On March 22 2012 03:37 seRapH wrote:On March 22 2012 03:17 Euronyme wrote:
Holy shit.... HOLY SHIT!
Did anyone know that if muslims conquer the 'big counties' such as rome, venzia and genoa with cities / churches as main titles or whatever, those holdings turn into castles?
In my game Rome has a castle on top, and there's no 'wrong type of government' penalty! O_______O Actually, if you own a minor castle, and the county capital is a church/city (that you own, of course), then the capital will automatically move to the castle. So not really , this is often the result of holy wars or building a castle in the county. That's rarely useful though, as those you really care about are maxed out from scratch. That's really interesting though.. So if I have a prince bishopry and build a castle in it it'll turn into a regular county? No. Generally the way to go about it is to grant the county to a castle baron. The capital of the county will then switch to the castle.
That's what used to happen, but then I patched and now I get the counties~
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Don't think i've ever put so much time in a game over such a short periode of time.
Absolutely love it.
The long and careful managing of your dynasty into breeding awesome diplomats/stewards with several good traits is just ... so much fun for me.
Playing as Denmark yet again, Sweden is pretty close to being completely gobbled up by me as i had a really fortunate chancellor accept my invite to court , he had a 32 diplo skill against my starting chancellor with a 14 skill.
He only accepted because he hated his current liege for not being able to press his claims otherwise i don't think i could have made him move.
In a time span of about 12 years he forged claims on pretty much all of de Jure Sweden.
couple that with a few holy wars for Mecklenburg etc and i'm really having good fun.
I forgot the name but my starting king had quite a few sons, i tend to not give out land to too many brothers anymore as i like playing with prio succession.
they become troublesome with the "pretender " trait.
I usually even kill a few of them off via assasinations down to where i have 2 (3 tops ) sons left.
It's plenty.
Can never have enough daughters though. Alliances with the HRE from the get go are really helpful.
As others mentioned, i also tend to keep my dukes small, i get a negative opinion for not granting them all the counties in a dutchy but i much prefer that than having to deal with large rebellions.
i really wish they would add a way to invite people to your court with a promise of future land or future marriage for example , now they will only come if my rep is good enough coupled with gifts or if i can press a claim for them which usually means taking on a large AI for a really small claim.
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started a new game as the count of najera, aka that shitty little county that's not navarra thats in the kingdom of navarre.
first join a holy war bandwagon on albraccin, pick up two provinces that are both muslim and pissed at me. move my capital there. which is good because...
france invades navarra for a claim on the whole fucking duchy. i try to deter this by swearing fealty to france but then the duke of aquitine (i.e. THE BIGGEST FUCKING DUKE IN FRANCE) has a claim on najera, reducing me to two small angry territories that give me no levy and no income. But at least France will save me.
Piss around a few years later, bandwagon a war for Barcelona. For some reason, France pretty much let me take all the territories, giving me 4 out of 6 barcelonian provinces, including barcelona. I use the resources there to press a war on valencia, giving me enough prisoners to fund my mercenaries to launch further wars on coloba and then seville. France now has essentially kicked the Moors out of Spain, with seville, portugal, barcelona, valencia, and most of coroba and aragon under my personal control. I try to pick up a duke title but apparently my 12 counties are lorded over by the duke of barcelona, who has control over... one county. so i declare independence from him and establish the duchy of coroba (in reference to the coroba caliphate that once dominated spain)
a few years of quashing revolts and development and I realize that there is some kind of french civil war going on. I expect it to be quashed fairly quickly but then well over 85% of france are fighting separate independence wars. naturally I join in, get my independence (ironically the only other one to do so was toulouse) and now I'm essentially the ruler of 2/3rds of Spain. Move my capital to seville, get free legalism techs, annex granada after the french cede it to mauritania, have toledo defect to me due to isolated province, and French Iberia is relegated to 4 shitty provinces separated from each other. with leon ruling the only other territory in iberia (and being ruled by a member of my dynasty) I naturally finish by kicking the mauritanians out of north africa. now i form the kingdom of aragon for the prestige and my ruler dies to be replaced by her 17 year old son who has 25 stewardship and is a genius, along with his 18 year old wife, who is also 25 stewardship and a genius. 15 desmene, yummy. now i have to find a way to piss around the next 200 years.
it would've been a lot easier if i had just gone for the personal union route, but i hate doing personal union crap because i'd rather have skilled intelligent rulers than bucketloads of territory.
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Playing as king of Scotland, only about 30 years into the game so far but it's tons of fun. Decided to get northern counties for myself from my half-brother which happens to be Norwegian. Now the real fun begins.
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On March 22 2012 20:04 Arunu wrote:
Don't think i've ever put so much time in a game over such a short periode of time.
Absolutely love it.
The long and careful managing of your dynasty into breeding awesome diplomats/stewards with several good traits is just ... so much fun for me.
Playing as Denmark yet again, Sweden is pretty close to being completely gobbled up by me as i had a really fortunate chancellor accept my invite to court , he had a 32 diplo skill against my starting chancellor with a 14 skill.
He only accepted because he hated his current liege for not being able to press his claims otherwise i don't think i could have made him move.
In a time span of about 12 years he forged claims on pretty much all of de Jure Sweden.
couple that with a few holy wars for Mecklenburg etc and i'm really having good fun.
I forgot the name but my starting king had quite a few sons, i tend to not give out land to too many brothers anymore as i like playing with prio succession.
they become troublesome with the "pretender " trait.
I usually even kill a few of them off via assasinations down to where i have 2 (3 tops ) sons left.
It's plenty.
Can never have enough daughters though. Alliances with the HRE from the get go are really helpful.
As others mentioned, i also tend to keep my dukes small, i get a negative opinion for not granting them all the counties in a dutchy but i much prefer that than having to deal with large rebellions.
i really wish they would add a way to invite people to your court with a promise of future land or future marriage for example , now they will only come if my rep is good enough coupled with gifts or if i can press a claim for them which usually means taking on a large AI for a really small claim.
Just FYI, 16 is the skill cap of your advisors so the difference between 14 and 32 is minimal.
I'd really advice everyone to check out the paradox forums and mod the game to your liking.
My personal preference lead me to some edited game files to make advisors scale more appropriately, removing all king and emperor titles from the start of the game, so that there are only dukes and counts playable to make it less of a "oh fuck.. well that's the end of the fun" when you're playing in the HRE and they increase crown authority.
Another mod that's tonnes of fun is one that adds more empires such as Scandinavia, Great Britain etc, and some kingdoms.
I dunno if I can post links here without breaking the TL no advertisement rule (?).
Edit. I'm obviously talking about 1 game file edit and two separate mods. Not one big overhaul mod. Sorry it's late =)
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really ?
Oh man , thanks i didn't know that.
bah, so much time wasted in trying to get awesome people to my court.
Well, i suppose that's what i get for not reading the manual ( bought on steam) ,
i almost never read manuals , mostly try to figure stuff out while i play (and fail in this particular game )
i did read the paradox forums quite a bit on the game later on, but had not seen anything regarding this.
anyway, thanks for the heads up, will save me some time in future games.
Haven't tried any mods yet but i intend to yes.
Your point regarding the HRE should definitely make it more fun to play as dukes in it.
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I really hate that i got sucked in yet another Paradox Game (Hello, EU3 D&T!). University and work will suffer.
Started playing as king of Jerusalem, now his heir is the king of Syria and Jerusalem and fighting most of the Muslim world (chain war declaration suck, I managed to be at 12 concurrent wars :D ). I must admit that holy orders are really saving my ass when I get spammed by almost 10k stacks every three months or so.
I do not really like the lack of varied ambitions and/or missions. I guess a big nice balacing/overhaul mod is yet to come (think D&W). Nevertheless I am soooo happy that Paradox decided to release a new game in medieval times, which are my favourite historical period (crusades especially).
Edit: About the empires everywhere: What are the requirements for creating and empire. As cool as being an emperor sounds, I think that they should be very high, like 5 king titles or so.
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On March 28 2012 00:59 myzael wrote:
I really hate that i got sucked in yet another Paradox Game (Hello, EU3 D&T!). University and work will suffer.
Started playing as king of Jerusalem, now his heir is the king of Syria and Jerusalem and fighting most of the Muslim world (chain war declaration suck, I managed to be at 12 concurrent wars :D ). I must admit that holy orders are really saving my ass when I get spammed by almost 10k stacks every three months or so.
I do not really like the lack of varied ambitions and/or missions. I guess a big nice balacing/overhaul mod is yet to come (think D&W). Nevertheless I am soooo happy that Paradox decided to release a new game in medieval times, which are my favourite historical period (crusades especially).
Edit: About the empires everywhere: What are the requirements for creating and empire. As cool as being an emperor sounds, I think that they should be very high, like 5 king titles or so.
They are all historical. For instance to great Great Britain you need Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales. Scandinavia requires Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland (which is a kingdom in this mod). Then there's Spain that requires everything on the Iberian peninsula, and the Franconian empire that requires France, Burgundy and Italy.
Oh yeah and the Russian empire as well that pretty much requires everything east of Poland it seems. This empire tends to be the only one the AI ever manages to create from what I've seen.
To create an empire, you need to hold the kingdom titles and 50% of the counties. I really don't like creating titles if I don't hold 100% though, as then dukes outside of your realm gets veto when you try to change laws or if you have elective succession it can go south really fast.
Some of the empires are really easy to acquire, so I highly suggest playing it in combination with the 'Broken Kingdoms' mod, that makes the starting date into a world without kings and emperors, so you have to start as a count or a duke, and work your way up to creating the king title (if you want to). It also makes it funnier to play in Germany.
This means that the Capets, vanilla kings of France, are counts of Orleans and Paris for instance.
At first I was worried that the horde would conquer the world, but they seemed pretty weak in my game. The golden horde turned Orthodox and got extinguished by rebellion. It never never really got huge in the first place. They did manage to crush the Russian empire though. The first Horde never really expanded much, and eventually they just became a regional power in Turkey.
The muslims tend to lose in Spain, but conquer Byzantium in almost every game.
I've so far played two games with these mods into the 1350s. Works like a charm.
Edit. I totally agree with you in that there's a lack of missions. It's great to start as a random count or duke (I generally pick by who have the most awesome family coat of arms ^^) and try to work yourself to emperor of whatever area you're in. I play it like EU3 basically
Edit2. Huge game tip! When a female family members turns 16, go to the person searching system (whatever it's called), and turn it to unmarried, not in prison, male, adult who's not a leader, and just list them by age and keep going until you find someone who you can invite to your court and marry matrilinearly as they can't say no once they're there.
The ones to accept are those who have claims and they're very likely to inherit something from their family. Especially if you help along with an assassination or two.
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Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/
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I hope we get an expansion in the future for the middle east/africa =/
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Hong Kong9157 Posts
On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/
Update your game.
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On March 28 2012 16:10 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/ Update your game.
more like don't pirate your game
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On March 29 2012 01:18 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 16:10 itsjustatank wrote:On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/ Update your game. more like don't pirate your game
Should be my new mantra but I am so damn cheap. 
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On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/
Paradox are one of few game companies left who actually make quality games, instead of pumping out shit every 6 months that is the exact same thing. Don't pirate it.
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On March 29 2012 01:29 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/ Paradox are one of few game companies left who actually make quality games, instead of pumping out shit every 6 months that is the exact same thing. Don't pirate it.
to be fair i pirated it initially because i wasnt a huge fan of how ck1 looked
then naturally i paid my hard earned money for it because goddamn paradox games are too fucking addicting
also i needed mods
that being said if you're going to make it fucking impossible for me to get something i will pirate what i please.
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I don't know if i should be drawing the piracy discussion any further since it might derail the thread... but it IS about paradox so :p paradox has a tendency to release some games VERY broken from start (victoria iirc was pretty much unplayable for a looong while after relase, hoi games too) and EU3 vanilla was a real snoozefest... i do love ck3 and eu3 has been so awesome since in nomine and up so i do think you should buy their games, but saying they make quality games should also be mentioned with a disclaimer.
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On March 29 2012 02:12 nttea wrote:
I don't know if i should be drawing the piracy discussion any further since it might derail the thread... but it IS about paradox so :p paradox has a tendency to release some games VERY broken from start (victoria iirc was pretty much unplayable for a looong while after relase, hoi games too) and EU3 vanilla was a real snoozefest... i do love ck3 and eu3 has been so awesome since in nomine and up so i do think you should buy their games, but saying they make quality games should also be mentioned with a disclaimer.
Well my entire paradox experience has been EU3 divine wind, CK2 and Magicka. All awesome games from start, and patched to be even better.
When was Victoria released?
On March 29 2012 01:57 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 01:29 Euronyme wrote:On March 28 2012 07:39 soverelgne wrote:
Meh, I was building a pretty successful Bulgarian kingdom, but then the hordes came and I had control of them for some reason. kinda killed the fun of smashing the byzantines ;/ Paradox are one of few game companies left who actually make quality games, instead of pumping out shit every 6 months that is the exact same thing. Don't pirate it. to be fair i pirated it initially because i wasnt a huge fan of how ck1 looked then naturally i paid my hard earned money for it because goddamn paradox games are too fucking addicting also i needed mods that being said if you're going to make it fucking impossible for me to get something i will pirate what i please.
What do you mean by impossible to get? It's on steam. Doesn't get simpler than that. It's even easier than to pirate.
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The greatest asset Paradox has, are their fanatic modders. If people haven't meddled with their early releases the company may have run out of luck by now. But I don't mean this to disrespect them, they are much better developers than many others, and they really support their community, however seeing how they've been reaping money for the last few years it's reasonable to expect stable releases by now and CK2 was fairly good at launch - we'll see how good expansions they're going to make.
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