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Getting the titles might lead to free mercs, which would be incredibly awesome.
On March 17 2012 22:40 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:02 seRapH wrote:
So one of my friends told me that its possible to gain merc/templar titles. I am intrigued. But I can't find any way to usurp/inheirit them, any ideas? this is how it might work: - give land to crusaders - land has to be controled by one of your heirs - heir becomes boss of the crusaders - after you die your heir gets the titles you own too - now you got templars and your normal title
But if you give the land away how's it still controlled by an heir x.x
As for mercs I can bait them to invade me, but I can't really figure out anything further than that, or figure out what I should try to contain the invasion to.
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On March 18 2012 03:30 seRapH wrote:Getting the titles might lead to free mercs, which would be incredibly awesome. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 22:40 Skilledblob wrote:On March 17 2012 22:02 seRapH wrote:
So one of my friends told me that its possible to gain merc/templar titles. I am intrigued. But I can't find any way to usurp/inheirit them, any ideas? this is how it might work: - give land to crusaders - land has to be controled by one of your heirs - heir becomes boss of the crusaders - after you die your heir gets the titles you own too - now you got templars and your normal title But if you give the land away how's it still controlled by an heir x.x As for mercs I can bait them to invade me, but I can't really figure out anything further than that, or figure out what I should try to contain the invasion to.
give your heir a province and then you give the duchy that this province is part of to a crusader order. The duchy will become independant under the crusaders and your heir will still have his province.
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Ok that method works great for crusaders, now for the merc titles...
Since the only way to give them land is to provoke an invasion there's no way to plant an heir on a county/barony beforehand. So the only way to obtain them is the following method:
1) Provoke mercs by not having enough to pay them
2) Make sure that whatever they take over you're the de jure liege of it (ie king of germany if they take saxony).
3) Make the count/duke title count as their primary title, this is done by making them go through their succession line, which means either assassinating them (I hope you have a lot of gold/piety), or waiting it out.
4) Once their primary title is the one that you're the de jure liege to, vassalize them. This is probably one of the more difficult parts to get accomplished. It helps if you're strong, have good relations, and same culture.
5) Kill them off, obtain title :D
Works for the knight orders too, it's actually easier than the mercs because you can just skip to step 3, but you still have to vassalize, so the method from before is probably more realistic to accomplish.
Knight orders will still only fight infidels, even under your personal command. But if for some reason you were muslim/pagan, you could then use them against christians.
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might work through marriage with mercs, just get one of your guys into the territory through marriage and it might work
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I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself.
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On March 16 2012 16:47 Sub40APM wrote:
key to fighting Muslims in Spain pre-Crusaders is to save a ton of money so you can buy a mercanary unit and try to target Muslim armies that have a lot of leaders you can ransom them back to buy more mercanaries, basically you just want to stay alive until the Holy Orders show up. Then just hire those guys and roflstomp the Muslims. 7500 stack of almost all knights and heavy infantry is unstoppable.
I'd add that the key is also to attack the Emirates at opportune times (when the bulk of their army is away, or depleted after some in-fighting, or when they are revolting against their liege).
I feel that trying to unite the Spanish thrones early allows for Mauretania or Africa to do the same and consolidate their holdings. By the time you will have united the Spanish thrones, you will still only have a relatively small section of northern Spain versus a united southern Spain and North Africa. Meanwhile, you will probably not be that popular as a ruler as you have an unhappy vassal base and potentially negative traits such as Kinslayer, acquired along the way to uniting the thrones.
Starting as King of Galicia, I generally ignored trying to unite the Spanish thrones in favor of declaring Holy Wars against the southern Emirates. As a bonus, you oftentimes receive generous cash infusions from the Pope if you take this route. Build up a reserve of a few hundred gold, hire a mercenary force and ransom off any prisoners you capture in war; hopefully you achieve your war aims before you run out of money. Rinse and repeat.
After that, I simply usurped the other Spanish thrones because I ended up holding more of the de jure crown territory than they did. In hindsight though, I probably should have just pressed my claims to their thrones while I had them; my successive generations didn't end up inheriting those claims and now I have to gain their territory the slow, piecemeal way of fabricating claims and casus belli.
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On March 20 2012 08:53 itsjustatank wrote:I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself. + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 16:47 Sub40APM wrote:
key to fighting Muslims in Spain pre-Crusaders is to save a ton of money so you can buy a mercanary unit and try to target Muslim armies that have a lot of leaders you can ransom them back to buy more mercanaries, basically you just want to stay alive until the Holy Orders show up. Then just hire those guys and roflstomp the Muslims. 7500 stack of almost all knights and heavy infantry is unstoppable. I'd add that the key is also to attack the Emirates at opportune times (when the bulk of their army is away, or depleted after some in-fighting, or when they are revolting against their liege). I feel that trying to unite the Spanish thrones early allows for Mauretania or Africa to do the same and consolidate their holdings. By the time you will have united the Spanish thrones, you will still only have a relatively small section of northern Spain versus a united southern Spain and North Africa. Meanwhile, you will probably not be that popular as a ruler as you have an unhappy vassal base and potentially negative traits such as Kinslayer, acquired along the way to uniting the thrones. Starting as King of Galicia, I generally ignored trying to unite the Spanish thrones in favor of declaring Holy Wars against the southern Emirates. As a bonus, you oftentimes receive generous cash infusions from the Pope if you take this route. Build up a reserve of a few hundred gold, hire a mercenary force and ransom off any prisoners you capture in war; hopefully you achieve your war aims before you run out of money. Rinse and repeat. After that, I simply usurped the other Spanish thrones because I ended up holding more of the de jure crown territory than they did. In hindsight though, I probably should have just pressed my claims to their thrones while I had them; my successive generations didn't end up inheriting those claims and now I have to gain their territory the slow, piecemeal way of fabricating claims and casus belli.
I just let the muslims take out the other Spanish kingdoms. Then holy war them to freedom.
The only time this doesnt work is when one of the Muslim states conquers every, then you just have to wait for rebellions within that realm and strike quickly before they sue for peace with their former overlords.
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personally i don't like it when you expand real fast, i prefer taking it easy and just ruling over a duchy for a few hundred years. its more fun that way.
its also fun when you have like 30k troops in your grand duchy and beat up kingdoms like nobody's business
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On March 20 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 08:53 itsjustatank wrote:I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2012 16:47 Sub40APM wrote:
key to fighting Muslims in Spain pre-Crusaders is to save a ton of money so you can buy a mercanary unit and try to target Muslim armies that have a lot of leaders you can ransom them back to buy more mercanaries, basically you just want to stay alive until the Holy Orders show up. Then just hire those guys and roflstomp the Muslims. 7500 stack of almost all knights and heavy infantry is unstoppable. I'd add that the key is also to attack the Emirates at opportune times (when the bulk of their army is away, or depleted after some in-fighting, or when they are revolting against their liege). I feel that trying to unite the Spanish thrones early allows for Mauretania or Africa to do the same and consolidate their holdings. By the time you will have united the Spanish thrones, you will still only have a relatively small section of northern Spain versus a united southern Spain and North Africa. Meanwhile, you will probably not be that popular as a ruler as you have an unhappy vassal base and potentially negative traits such as Kinslayer, acquired along the way to uniting the thrones. Starting as King of Galicia, I generally ignored trying to unite the Spanish thrones in favor of declaring Holy Wars against the southern Emirates. As a bonus, you oftentimes receive generous cash infusions from the Pope if you take this route. Build up a reserve of a few hundred gold, hire a mercenary force and ransom off any prisoners you capture in war; hopefully you achieve your war aims before you run out of money. Rinse and repeat. After that, I simply usurped the other Spanish thrones because I ended up holding more of the de jure crown territory than they did. In hindsight though, I probably should have just pressed my claims to their thrones while I had them; my successive generations didn't end up inheriting those claims and now I have to gain their territory the slow, piecemeal way of fabricating claims and casus belli. I just let the muslims take out the other Spanish kingdoms. Then holy war them to freedom. The only time this doesnt work is when one of the Muslim states conquers every, then you just have to wait for rebellions within that realm and strike quickly before they sue for peace with their former overlords.
I've played for one day and I still don't fully grasp the De Jure system and Usurping titles. I started playing as King of Castilla on Sunday. I was able to inherit Galicia and take Aragon from my brother. The muslim factions took Portucale, so I conquered all of Portucale but when I offered peace to the muslim faction I didn't receive the provinces. Instead 2 of the provinces went back to a muslim (sheik?) and a Portuguese. I was like Wtf? All that work for nothing?
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On March 21 2012 00:59 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:On March 20 2012 08:53 itsjustatank wrote:I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2012 16:47 Sub40APM wrote:
key to fighting Muslims in Spain pre-Crusaders is to save a ton of money so you can buy a mercanary unit and try to target Muslim armies that have a lot of leaders you can ransom them back to buy more mercanaries, basically you just want to stay alive until the Holy Orders show up. Then just hire those guys and roflstomp the Muslims. 7500 stack of almost all knights and heavy infantry is unstoppable. I'd add that the key is also to attack the Emirates at opportune times (when the bulk of their army is away, or depleted after some in-fighting, or when they are revolting against their liege). I feel that trying to unite the Spanish thrones early allows for Mauretania or Africa to do the same and consolidate their holdings. By the time you will have united the Spanish thrones, you will still only have a relatively small section of northern Spain versus a united southern Spain and North Africa. Meanwhile, you will probably not be that popular as a ruler as you have an unhappy vassal base and potentially negative traits such as Kinslayer, acquired along the way to uniting the thrones. Starting as King of Galicia, I generally ignored trying to unite the Spanish thrones in favor of declaring Holy Wars against the southern Emirates. As a bonus, you oftentimes receive generous cash infusions from the Pope if you take this route. Build up a reserve of a few hundred gold, hire a mercenary force and ransom off any prisoners you capture in war; hopefully you achieve your war aims before you run out of money. Rinse and repeat. After that, I simply usurped the other Spanish thrones because I ended up holding more of the de jure crown territory than they did. In hindsight though, I probably should have just pressed my claims to their thrones while I had them; my successive generations didn't end up inheriting those claims and now I have to gain their territory the slow, piecemeal way of fabricating claims and casus belli. I just let the muslims take out the other Spanish kingdoms. Then holy war them to freedom. The only time this doesnt work is when one of the Muslim states conquers every, then you just have to wait for rebellions within that realm and strike quickly before they sue for peace with their former overlords. I've played for one day and I still don't fully grasp the De Jure system and Usurping titles. I started playing as King of Castilla on Sunday. I was able to inherit Galicia and take Aragon from my brother. The muslim factions took Portucale, so I conquered all of Portucale but when I offered peace to the muslim faction I didn't receive the provinces. Instead 2 of the provinces went back to a muslim (sheik?) and a Portuguese. I was like Wtf? All that work for nothing?
Make sure you carefully look at which casus belli (reason for war) you are choosing before declaring war.
More than likely you chose an option which pressed a non-vassal's claims on the region; at the end of hostilities, pressing a non-vassal's claims leaves them as an independent ruler of the territories in question.
The other option is twofold: either this was a defensive war, or you may have selected 'Defend the faith' as your casus belli. With those war goals, you only receive prestige, piety, and reparations when you enforce terms at the end.
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On March 21 2012 00:40 Caller wrote:
personally i don't like it when you expand real fast, i prefer taking it easy and just ruling over a duchy for a few hundred years. its more fun that way.
its also fun when you have like 30k troops in your grand duchy and beat up kingdoms like nobody's business
What exactly do you do in your little duchy for a few hundred years?!
On March 21 2012 02:32 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 00:59 scaban84 wrote:On March 20 2012 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:On March 20 2012 08:53 itsjustatank wrote:I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2012 16:47 Sub40APM wrote:
key to fighting Muslims in Spain pre-Crusaders is to save a ton of money so you can buy a mercanary unit and try to target Muslim armies that have a lot of leaders you can ransom them back to buy more mercanaries, basically you just want to stay alive until the Holy Orders show up. Then just hire those guys and roflstomp the Muslims. 7500 stack of almost all knights and heavy infantry is unstoppable. I'd add that the key is also to attack the Emirates at opportune times (when the bulk of their army is away, or depleted after some in-fighting, or when they are revolting against their liege). I feel that trying to unite the Spanish thrones early allows for Mauretania or Africa to do the same and consolidate their holdings. By the time you will have united the Spanish thrones, you will still only have a relatively small section of northern Spain versus a united southern Spain and North Africa. Meanwhile, you will probably not be that popular as a ruler as you have an unhappy vassal base and potentially negative traits such as Kinslayer, acquired along the way to uniting the thrones. Starting as King of Galicia, I generally ignored trying to unite the Spanish thrones in favor of declaring Holy Wars against the southern Emirates. As a bonus, you oftentimes receive generous cash infusions from the Pope if you take this route. Build up a reserve of a few hundred gold, hire a mercenary force and ransom off any prisoners you capture in war; hopefully you achieve your war aims before you run out of money. Rinse and repeat. After that, I simply usurped the other Spanish thrones because I ended up holding more of the de jure crown territory than they did. In hindsight though, I probably should have just pressed my claims to their thrones while I had them; my successive generations didn't end up inheriting those claims and now I have to gain their territory the slow, piecemeal way of fabricating claims and casus belli. I just let the muslims take out the other Spanish kingdoms. Then holy war them to freedom. The only time this doesnt work is when one of the Muslim states conquers every, then you just have to wait for rebellions within that realm and strike quickly before they sue for peace with their former overlords. I've played for one day and I still don't fully grasp the De Jure system and Usurping titles. I started playing as King of Castilla on Sunday. I was able to inherit Galicia and take Aragon from my brother. The muslim factions took Portucale, so I conquered all of Portucale but when I offered peace to the muslim faction I didn't receive the provinces. Instead 2 of the provinces went back to a muslim (sheik?) and a Portuguese. I was like Wtf? All that work for nothing? Make sure you carefully look at which casus belli (reason for war) you are choosing before declaring war. More than likely you chose an option which pressed a non-vassal's claims on the region; at the end of hostilities, pressing a non-vassal's claims leaves them as an independent ruler of the territories in question.The other option is twofold: either this was a defensive war, or you may have selected 'Defend the faith' as your casus belli. With those war goals, you only receive prestige, piety, and reparations when you enforce terms at the end.
If they are your de jure vassal they'll be your de facto vassal though.
On March 16 2012 10:03 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 09:39 Myles wrote:On March 16 2012 09:29 Candadar wrote:
I have basically no idea what I'm doing, but I keep accidentally winning. I dont know how I do it. I did the same thing my first real game. Ironically, now that I 'know' how to play I'm getting smoked. Maybe it's because I'm trying harder titles, and that Bohemia is really easy since I ended up with like half the HRE, but playing as England, Scotland, a French Duchy, a Byzantine Duchy, and Castille have all ended in utter failure. I mean, I was playing as Leon. I assassinated my brother in Castille and got all of his land and just gave his vassals a bunch of land claims so they don't hate me, and then my brother in Galicia somehow died and I inherited his throne along with Navarra and out of nowhere I control all of Northern Spain in like...2 years. However, I tried to fight the Muslims and uh...they have a few more troops than I can muster. Like 2000 v 3000 =/
Marry HRE and France. Declare Holy War. Call in allies. Enjoy your free land.
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On March 21 2012 03:10 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 00:40 Caller wrote:
personally i don't like it when you expand real fast, i prefer taking it easy and just ruling over a duchy for a few hundred years. its more fun that way.
its also fun when you have like 30k troops in your grand duchy and beat up kingdoms like nobody's business What exactly do you do in your little duchy for a few hundred years?!
develop, deal with your cousins stabbing you in the back, be a good vassal and joining your liege in war, pressing random claims, go on crusades, beat up kingdoms. By duchy I don't mean 4 or 5 provinces, I mean I stay a duke and rule a grand duchy of like 20 provinces. Get a bunch of holy men/random nobles without any heirs and make them counts in half of them and then rule the rest under desmene. It's a lot easier to deal with a horde of pissed off unorganized counts than it is to deal with slightly more organized dukes. It also doesn't hurt if you have over 3/4ths of the army under your personal control also.
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Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours.
Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children >
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On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children >
a) if you didn't want to deal with duchies you shouldn't have tried to become a king. there are pros and cons for forming a kingdom vs. having massive grand duchies (like me)
b) you have bad luck, procreation tends to be rather random. right now i'm on my 8th kid and my heir is 30.
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On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children >
Pretty sure you can't 'destroy' landed titles. Once you create them, the cat is out of the bag. I guess you could grant the landed titles to the Pope, a mercenary group, or a Holy Order, if you are tired of dealing with a particular area or you feel that you have gotten too big.
When Dukes start gaining a bit too much land or power, you can goad them into rebellion by granting them Court Jester, pissing them off in events, and raising their levys for way too long. After you crush their insignificant rebellion you can start revoking titles. Unfortunately (don't know if this is intended by the game), you only seem to be able to revoke one title at a time. Leave the culprit to rot and die in your dungeon, and then start over with his heir; rinse and repeat.
You could also throw every vassal into your dungeon at every chance you get, so long as you feel that your succession laws are stable enough that you don't need all of them to have a good opinion of you. They can't rebel if they are locked up. This also has a side effect where vassal dynasties remain very small and eventually their fiefs may return to you once enough people have died.
I think I might modify my game to allow revocation of all titles held by traitors, heretics, and heathens without penalty. Doesn't really make sense how it is right now.
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On March 20 2012 08:53 itsjustatank wrote:I got tired of the seeing the AI of the various Kingdoms of Spain failing to execute the Reconquista in my previous playthroughs, so I decided to do it myself. + Show Spoiler +
Haven't you heard? The Irish conquered Spain 1122 through 1220. The five year war for Granada against Mauretania ended inconclusively when the Holy King Arnmod suddenly passed away.
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That's the Crovan family btw, meaning I'm Norwegian, and so are most of my vassals, though not a lot of my territory. God I love this game. I also own Palermo and whatever the province next to it is called, and Genoa (which apparently has 3 cities and 2 bishoprics, I'll start getting that income by 1228). God I love this game.
On March 21 2012 05:33 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:10 HellRoxYa wrote:On March 21 2012 00:40 Caller wrote:
personally i don't like it when you expand real fast, i prefer taking it easy and just ruling over a duchy for a few hundred years. its more fun that way.
its also fun when you have like 30k troops in your grand duchy and beat up kingdoms like nobody's business What exactly do you do in your little duchy for a few hundred years?! develop, deal with your cousins stabbing you in the back, be a good vassal and joining your liege in war, pressing random claims, go on crusades, beat up kingdoms. By duchy I don't mean 4 or 5 provinces, I mean I stay a duke and rule a grand duchy of like 20 provinces. Get a bunch of holy men/random nobles without any heirs and make them counts in half of them and then rule the rest under desmene. It's a lot easier to deal with a horde of pissed off unorganized counts than it is to deal with slightly more organized dukes. It also doesn't hurt if you have over 3/4ths of the army under your personal control also.
Sure, I guess. I try to practice the "One duke, one county" tactic, and then hand out the rest of the duchy counties to other individuals. Been a lot of newly created Norwegian counts and dukes from less noble families in my current game. I do have two 5 county duchies and a couple of 3 county duchies, but I actually find it easy to keep them on my good side for some reason.
On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children >
1. You can't destroy titles. Just hand the duchies out to the right people and things should be fine.
2. No, I haven't noticed that I don't think it's true either.
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On March 22 2012 00:15 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children > Pretty sure you can't 'destroy' landed titles. Once you create them, the cat is out of the bag. I guess you could grant the landed titles to the Pope, a mercenary group, or a Holy Order, if you are tired of dealing with a particular area or you feel that you have gotten too big. When Dukes start gaining a bit too much land or power, you can goad them into rebellion by granting them Court Jester, pissing them off in events, and raising their levys for way too long. After you crush their insignificant rebellion you can start revoking titles. Unfortunately (don't know if this is intended by the game), you only seem to be able to revoke one title at a time. Leave the culprit to rot and die in your dungeon, and then start over with his heir; rinse and repeat. You could also throw every vassal into your dungeon at every chance you get, so long as you feel that your succession laws are stable enough that you don't need all of them to have a good opinion of you. They can't rebel if they are locked up. This also has a side effect where vassal dynasties remain very small and eventually their fiefs may return to you once enough people have died. I think I might modify my game to allow revocation of all titles held by traitors, heretics, and heathens without penalty. Doesn't really make sense how it is right now.
You can banish them to revoke everything and take all their money. Pretty neat.
I recall reading somewhere on paradox that you can grant a duchy to a baron.. and something.. but that's where my memory fails me =(
On March 21 2012 22:38 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children > a) if you didn't want to deal with duchies you shouldn't have tried to become a king. there are pros and cons for forming a kingdom vs. having massive grand duchies (like me) b) you have bad luck, procreation tends to be rather random. right now i'm on my 8th kid and my heir is 30.
I wasn't really talking about my heirs or anything, but rather about the far ends of my family tree that you still have control over. People without any land or claims seem to just die out. I've never seen a landless person with a bunch of children for instance.
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On March 22 2012 00:33 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 00:15 itsjustatank wrote:On March 21 2012 21:52 Euronyme wrote:Does anyone know how to destroy titles? I usually end up trying to become a king, and duchies are a pain in the ass to deal with. I'd much rather just have a bunch of OPM counts that you can revoke if they revolt and give to someone less ambitious / a kin of yours. Has anyone noticed that people without titles seem much less likely to procreate? I notice when I for instance give my 16 year old midas touched kinwoman a 16yo lustful midas touched random guy for a matrilinear marriage, they never get any children > Pretty sure you can't 'destroy' landed titles. Once you create them, the cat is out of the bag. I guess you could grant the landed titles to the Pope, a mercenary group, or a Holy Order, if you are tired of dealing with a particular area or you feel that you have gotten too big. When Dukes start gaining a bit too much land or power, you can goad them into rebellion by granting them Court Jester, pissing them off in events, and raising their levys for way too long. After you crush their insignificant rebellion you can start revoking titles. Unfortunately (don't know if this is intended by the game), you only seem to be able to revoke one title at a time. Leave the culprit to rot and die in your dungeon, and then start over with his heir; rinse and repeat. You could also throw every vassal into your dungeon at every chance you get, so long as you feel that your succession laws are stable enough that you don't need all of them to have a good opinion of you. They can't rebel if they are locked up. This also has a side effect where vassal dynasties remain very small and eventually their fiefs may return to you once enough people have died. I think I might modify my game to allow revocation of all titles held by traitors, heretics, and heathens without penalty. Doesn't really make sense how it is right now. You can banish them to revoke everything and take all their money. Pretty neat.
Yes, but that option makes it harder to execute them afterwards as well. It's a roleplaying issue, I guess.
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Holy shit.... HOLY SHIT!
Did anyone know that if muslims conquer the 'big counties' such as rome, venzia and genoa with cities / churches as main titles or whatever, those holdings turn into castles?
In my game Rome has a castle on top, and there's no 'wrong type of government' penalty! O_______O
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On March 22 2012 03:17 Euronyme wrote:
Holy shit.... HOLY SHIT!
Did anyone know that if muslims conquer the 'big counties' such as rome, venzia and genoa with cities / churches as main titles or whatever, those holdings turn into castles?
In my game Rome has a castle on top, and there's no 'wrong type of government' penalty! O_______O
Actually, if you own a minor castle, and the county capital is a church/city (that you own, of course), then the capital will automatically move to the castle.
So not really  , this is often the result of holy wars or building a castle in the county.
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On March 22 2012 03:37 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:17 Euronyme wrote:
Holy shit.... HOLY SHIT!
Did anyone know that if muslims conquer the 'big counties' such as rome, venzia and genoa with cities / churches as main titles or whatever, those holdings turn into castles?
In my game Rome has a castle on top, and there's no 'wrong type of government' penalty! O_______O Actually, if you own a minor castle, and the county capital is a church/city (that you own, of course), then the capital will automatically move to the castle. So not really , this is often the result of holy wars or building a castle in the county.
That's rarely useful though, as those you really care about are maxed out from scratch. That's really interesting though..
So if I have a prince bishopry and build a castle in it it'll turn into a regular county?
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