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Advocado
Denmark994 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
Also, a few kings only had a couple of female offsprings, which got me into quite some trouble. Then my homosexual ruler couple got like 7 children ^^ | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On March 02 2012 00:47 Arevall wrote: Speaking of which. I have just conquered Sweden, Finland and Denmark starting as a count of Östergötland. Don't really know what to do know except chillin'. Also, a few kings only had a couple of female offsprings, which got me into quite some trouble. Then my homosexual ruler couple got like 7 children ^^ haha oh wow. I assume you did more enheriting than conquering ^^ | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
On March 02 2012 00:30 Euronyme wrote: You're swedish and you played as denmark? What's wrong with you man? I played Sweden like 3 times before that! Thought id play the evil side a little :3 | ||
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FreshVegetables
Finland513 Posts
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
On March 03 2012 01:13 FreshVegetables wrote: As an old EU2 and EU3 vet, but never played CK1. I find this game really hard and i've probably spent 3-4 hours playing as Poland. Like, I don't know what to do. I understand that building and strenghtening your dynasty is the key to success. There is so much going on though, so many characters available. My king won't have a son/daughter and my niece is my heir. No idea how to get her married or who she should marry. Like, what are the benefits of marrying a courtier? Marrying a courtier can often be a better choice then an alliance since your ruler get half of the spouse stats added to his (her) own. That is the one major thing I can think of right now that makes it worthwhile marrying one. Anyways just play the game a lot (since you are a veteran I don't think I need to say that ^^), like super duper ultra much. Also try not to smash your keyboard to bits when your last heir gets assassinated . | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
I disregard prestige and alliances completely when marrying, I go purely for good stats and good traits, most favorable trait being lustful and least favorable those that are unattractive to the opposite sex or give -fertility. I ALWAYS marry females out matrilinearly if AT ALL possible. I treat unmarried males like a rare commodity and will hunt for them to invite to court in order to be able to marry all the unimportant females this way. I will divorce or assasinate my rulers wife before she reaches 30 and assasinate the heir's wife if the odds are favorable. I basically go to ridiculous ends, all to breed very high stats councillors and content kinsmen to be vassals, it seems you need alot of those. I use the elective succession law, that way you can make sure your ruler is young, so he rules as long as possible. THI've been expanding primarily by using my chancellor and claiming/usurping title, but this is quite slow obviously. What I spend alot of time doing is checking for claimants to invite to my court, and then marry them, matrilinearly or not, so that those claims pass on to my dynasty. Sometimes the primary male heir is even willing to come to court, and then you can marry them matrilinearly with an assasination, if reasonable. When I have a bunch of male dynasty members coming of age soon I will start checking the lists for female rulers with no male children, and marry them off to those, with a bit of luck you can aquire alot of titles for your dynasty this way. You wont directly control these though, which is where elective succesion comes in again. In my last Denmark game I managed to to get dynasty member to inherit Tuscany. Which was part of the HRE, but then I elected the duke of tuscany as heir to the Kingdom of Denmark, and it came under direct control of the King of Denmark, and was now outside the HRE for some reason. There are ways to use the claims these but the mechanics are not so clear to me. I think you can press for them for your dynasty by installing them as a vassal using their claim as a cassus belli for war, or maybe they just happen through marriage somehow. In that last game I elected a dynasty member as heir because he had a claim to the Kingdom of England, and I then could take over all of England when he rose to the throne. It seems the 'Claimants' button is very important in this game in general. In my current game there are 5 independent active branches of the Danish dynasty, with about 200 living members. There were more but some died out or fell from power. One of the branches managed to become Emperor with my help but I messed up my own kingdoms doing it, and the Empire immediately fell apart. Its been quite fun, but I don't think this has the same replayability as EU3, I think im close to done with it. Feels quite random and alot of time is spent on chores. Vassals are a bit too eager to rebel if you ask me. | ||
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NoSlack
United States112 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:27 Crushinator wrote: Its been quite fun, but I don't think this has the same replayability as EU3, I think im close to done with it. Feels quite random and alot of time is spent on chores. Vassals are a bit too eager to rebel if you ask me. I totally agree with this. I've played maybe 12-15 hours and I think I'm done already. It is an interesting and challenging game, but it's not very fun. It's more like working on a puzzle to me than it is a game. Sometimes I'm in the mood for it, and sometimes I'm not. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 03 2012 10:29 NoSlack wrote: I totally agree with this. I've played maybe 12-15 hours and I think I'm done already. It is an interesting and challenging game, but it's not very fun. It's more like working on a puzzle to me than it is a game. Sometimes I'm in the mood for it, and sometimes I'm not. I think it scales badly. For the smallest states there is a lot of down time where you dont do anything except manage the birthing of your next generation and then for the largest states almost all wars are easy if you save enough cash when they begin. So the game then is most fun when you are playing medium sized state and try specific goals: Duke of the Isles --> King of England or Burgundy -- > Kingdom of Burgundy But once you do that once its kind of hard to want to go through it again, because of all that dead time/choring. Like "oh no, another noble rebellion that I will crush but only after 10 years of sieging" Which is why, I hope, they put in a lot more into the ambition aspect of it. Because that really could help to drive the campaign for the player, set specific goals and stuff. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:27 Crushinator wrote: So this is what I have been doing for anyone interested: I disregard prestige and alliances completely when marrying, I go purely for good stats and good traits, most favorable trait being lustful and least favorable those that are unattractive to the opposite sex or give -fertility. I ALWAYS marry females out matrilinearly if AT ALL possible. I treat unmarried males like a rare commodity and will hunt for them to invite to court in order to be able to marry all the unimportant females this way. I will divorce or assasinate my rulers wife before she reaches 30 and assasinate the heir's wife if the odds are favorable. I basically go to ridiculous ends, all to breed very high stats councillors and content kinsmen to be vassals, it seems you need alot of those. I use the elective succession law, that way you can make sure your ruler is young, so he rules as long as possible. THI've been expanding primarily by using my chancellor and claiming/usurping title, but this is quite slow obviously. What I spend alot of time doing is checking for claimants to invite to my court, and then marry them, matrilinearly or not, so that those claims pass on to my dynasty. Sometimes the primary male heir is even willing to come to court, and then you can marry them matrilinearly with an assasination, if reasonable. When I have a bunch of male dynasty members coming of age soon I will start checking the lists for female rulers with no male children, and marry them off to those, with a bit of luck you can aquire alot of titles for your dynasty this way. You wont directly control these though, which is where elective succesion comes in again. In my last Denmark game I managed to to get dynasty member to inherit Tuscany. Which was part of the HRE, but then I elected the duke of tuscany as heir to the Kingdom of Denmark, and it came under direct control of the King of Denmark, and was now outside the HRE for some reason. There are ways to use the claims these but the mechanics are not so clear to me. I think you can press for them for your dynasty by installing them as a vassal using their claim as a cassus belli for war, or maybe they just happen through marriage somehow. In that last game I elected a dynasty member as heir because he had a claim to the Kingdom of England, and I then could take over all of England when he rose to the throne. It seems the 'Claimants' button is very important in this game in general. In my current game there are 5 independent active branches of the Danish dynasty, with about 200 living members. There were more but some died out or fell from power. One of the branches managed to become Emperor with my help but I messed up my own kingdoms doing it, and the Empire immediately fell apart. Its been quite fun, but I don't think this has the same replayability as EU3, I think im close to done with it. Feels quite random and alot of time is spent on chores. Vassals are a bit too eager to rebel if you ask me. The only bad thing about that is that your vassals more often than not hate your guts, as they're fairly high up in succession after all. This decreases your army size and income and increases the revolt risk. It does make it harder to lose though, as you actually get beaten by a revolting duke, you can always continue playing as him. On March 03 2012 13:06 Sub40APM wrote: I think it scales badly. For the smallest states there is a lot of down time where you dont do anything except manage the birthing of your next generation and then for the largest states almost all wars are easy if you save enough cash when they begin. So the game then is most fun when you are playing medium sized state and try specific goals: Duke of the Isles --> King of England or Burgundy -- > Kingdom of Burgundy But once you do that once its kind of hard to want to go through it again, because of all that dead time/choring. Like "oh no, another noble rebellion that I will crush but only after 10 years of sieging" Which is why, I hope, they put in a lot more into the ambition aspect of it. Because that really could help to drive the campaign for the player, set specific goals and stuff. Yeah, I actually think achievements or something would be a great addition to the game. Typically I don't care much about it, but it gives some little incentive to explore more of the game mechanics, and give you a goal to work for, if the score board at the end doesn't do it for you. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On March 03 2012 19:25 Euronyme wrote: The only bad thing about that is that your vassals more often than not hate your guts, as they're fairly high up in succession after all. This decreases your army size and income and increases the revolt risk. It does make it harder to lose though, as you actually get beaten by a revolting duke, you can always continue playing as him. Yeah, I actually think achievements or something would be a great addition to the game. Typically I don't care much about it, but it gives some little incentive to explore more of the game mechanics, and give you a goal to work for, if the score board at the end doesn't do it for you. Yeah, to be honest, I've been playing under the impression that your kin would be less likely to revolt/more likely to like you. Now I read there is actually no bonus to that, infact kin are more likely to revolt because they often have a claim to the kingdom. So I geuss you should never prefer kin over non-kin to be your vassal, just pick whichever courtier has no current titles and is content. I probably will still continue to prefer kinsmen though, its a matter of aesthetics, I geuss. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
so every Dynasty member has I believe +5 relations to you. Every claimant on the throne gets -20 and every pretender gets -50. imo this is poor balancing on paradoxes side. I dont mind the pretnder negative relations but even for people who have a claim around 5 corners to get -20 is jsut not worth the hassle of getting a big dynasty for yourself. The afaik the negative relations only stop if your ruler and the other dynasty member are not closer related than through the grandparents. This takes a lot of intentional breeding which is imo not worth the hassle for only a +5 bonus. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:27 Crushinator wrote: So this is what I have been doing for anyone interested: I disregard prestige and alliances completely when marrying, I go purely for good stats and good traits, most favorable trait being lustful and least favorable those that are unattractive to the opposite sex or give -fertility. I ALWAYS marry females out matrilinearly if AT ALL possible. I treat unmarried males like a rare commodity and will hunt for them to invite to court in order to be able to marry all the unimportant females this way. I will divorce or assasinate my rulers wife before she reaches 30 and assasinate the heir's wife if the odds are favorable. I basically go to ridiculous ends, all to breed very high stats councillors and content kinsmen to be vassals, it seems you need alot of those. Heh totally opposite of what I'm doing in my current game. Playing as William the Conquerer, I am extremely paranoid about a France DoW and have been betrothing all princesses at a young age to gain alliances. :D | ||
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Arunu
Netherlands111 Posts
I was not familiar with other games from them so felt like a complete nob when i started this game, it's complexity is/ was good fun . I started off playing it with a total war like " feel " , build some and get cracking on those skulls. having picked a few of the spanish kings earlier on to be close to them infidels, i got utterly stomped the first few games. tried the duke of Connacht after reading some basic guides to get a better feel, managed to do pretty ok and formed the irish kingdom, king died within 2 years of the rule , everyone revolted , stomped again. learned how to manage the titles and stats better for rulers , playing as France , went really well until Philippe bit the dust and then getting stomped again by my dead beat duke of Aquitania. Playing as Denmark at the moment. Loving it so far , enjoy it much better when games are actually hard instead of walk overs. only note i have is what someone else mentioned that it can take ages to be able to do anything when playing as the smaller counties/ dutchies. | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
I can control 17 territories without the need of vassals and I instituted the laws so none of my vassals fight amongst themselves and they provide me with ALL their levies. I hit the Pechenegs first to claim 3 territories and one of its subordinate who tried to revolt but I ended up invading instead. The pechenegs went to war with the then small Galich kingodm and used the defend the faith to cover Galich (who now likes me) and gained piety for doing so. My daughter married the cumans and they are now my fiercest allies (along with Hungary). I went straight to war with the HRE and won 6 of the land occupied by Bohemia and also claim 8 lands near me from the Byzantine empire during a rebllion of its vassals (the Byzantine empire is now mine... or what was left of it). I assinate all my sons but my heir so my titles do not split amongst them when my ruler dies. My latest ruler has 25 stewardship + my wife who gave me half of her 20 stewardship and also gave my sons claim over France (my next generation's target). I manage my vassals by keeping them on a single piece of land each. I use gregarious to placate any offers they have without lowering their opinion of me. When my ruler passes away, I use spy networks and assassination to have them dead and their heir usually likes me (sometimes, I simply get the land if they have no heir). I will sometime lower taxes for a month or two until I get their opinion back up then have them suffer heavy taxes again. My suggestion to you is to play with laws if you have issues controlling your vassals and to use your daughters to marry potential heirs or people with claims over land. Dont hesitate to use assassination plots to gain an upper hand and avoid having your titles split on succession at any cost, this wil ensure you have a fun time while going to war with whoever you chose. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
On March 06 2012 02:57 Skilledblob wrote: well you only have to kill your sons when you use Gavelkind succession Yes and I like it since gravelkind gives bonuses to land you own and also makes it more straightforward when it comes to succession. Most vassals look favorably to gravelkind as well. It just suits me I guess hehe! | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
The problem was the HRE had a claim to the duchies as well, and I had to swear fealty to the HRE to keep denmark from invading me. So as soon as I took it the HRE demanded the duchies. I choose war over losing my prize!. I thought i could win with mercs too because i had like 800 gold after taking the duchies and killing the old ruler. The HRE swiftly beat the crap out of me in the field. In desperation I assassinated the HRE. His heir lost the claim to my duchies on death. BAM HRE ACCEPTS WHITE PEACE!! I am now the duke of mecklenburg  | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
My heir rebelled and died in battle, and his only child ended up being heir. I took him under my wing and became his guardian and the rest of the family was plotting to assassinate him. It is hilarious as he is getting these traits like honest and kind and it's like I was protecting him and also redeeming my past sins in a way. Now he is king and a reunited France has poor relations and claims on damn near everything, but he is not yet of age and desperately searching for alliances. A crusade was called just as the king died but not sure how that works. How do you join a crusade? or do you just go and attack? There is also nothing listed under "Holy Orders". | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
Also everyone should go to the paradox forum and read this guide It has "everthing" you need as a noobie | ||
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