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On February 29 2012 18:16 Euronyme wrote:
Does anyone know how the vassal tax system works? For instance bishops won't pay tax to me they have better relations to the pope than with me. How does that work for majors and barons (cities and castles)?
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They pay you a portion of whatever they make depending on your tax laws. Mayors pay a decent amount of their earnings, but barons pay a paltry amount of money (default 0%) because they provide the majority of your levies instead. In addition whatever % they are paying for every point under 0 you are on the relationships meter is a % they won't pay in taxes. So if you are charging 25% but they have a -50 opinion of you, you will only get 12.5%.
Also, when you have counts who have barons under them, they will control their tax laws themselves. So even if you charge nobles 10% tax if they are not taxing their nobles your 10% of 0 won't amount to much.
I wrote shit in spoiler then I realized I was just retelling http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?589469-GUIDE-In-depth-Guide-to-CKII&s=8b2ecbf294f3c77f7179721e20e53e73
installment 5 is what your looking for, but the whole guide is a useful read to understanding the game.
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On February 29 2012 18:38 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 18:16 Euronyme wrote:
Does anyone know how the vassal tax system works? For instance bishops won't pay tax to me they have better relations to the pope than with me. How does that work for majors and barons (cities and castles)? + Show Spoiler +
They pay you a portion of whatever they make depending on your tax laws. Mayors pay a decent amount of their earnings, but barons pay a paltry amount of money (default 0%) because they provide the majority of your levies instead. In addition whatever % they are paying for every point under 0 you are on the relationships meter is a % they won't pay in taxes. So if you are charging 25% but they have a -50 opinion of you, you will only get 12.5%.
Also, when you have counts who have barons under them, they will control their tax laws themselves. So even if you charge nobles 10% tax if they are not taxing their nobles your 10% of 0 won't amount to much.
I wrote shit in spoiler then I realized I was just retelling http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?589469-GUIDE-In-depth-Guide-to-CKII&s=8b2ecbf294f3c77f7179721e20e53e73installment 5 is what your looking for, but the whole guide is a useful read to understanding the game.
Thanks!
Yeah I'm sorry, I'm kind of using this thread as google for the game to keep the thread on the front page in order to get more people interested in the game. Would be sweet with a huge TL online game =)
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I love the way weird things happen due to family ties in this game. Here's an A.I.-created Danish empire including the kingdoms of Finland, Hungary, part of the baltic states and a small portion of Crimea. As you would expect, it didn't survive its ruler's death. 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HGa8v.jpg)
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So has anyone managed to conquer Europe yet?
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It's almost impossible to conquer Europe as a whole. Even if you manage to be the most powerful Kings in the HRE, many of your vassals will revolt at each new Kaiser.
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On March 01 2012 03:32 Otolia wrote:
It's almost impossible to conquer Europe as a whole. Even if you manage to be the most powerful Kings in the HRE, many of your vassals will revolt at each new Kaiser.
Yeah you have to be more stable than the HRE. I usually only give out one province to one courtier, and race for higher crown authority to keep them from clumping up (cheers to Skilledblob for the advice)
I basically have no problems with vassals revolting that way, as you're always like 13 times stronger than they are. Elective monarchy also lets you choose an heir that might be an heir of another kingdom or duchy, or lets you pick one with high stewardship / diplomacy.
The problem would ofcourse be to actually get the CBs to beat everyone.
Edit. I think one of the better nations for one of these 'super stable' empires would be Galicia, as you only have to assassinate two neighbours to grow pretty big. You don't have any big vassals that threaten you, and conquering muslim nations gives you a lot of freedom when it comes to picking vassals.
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fastest way to get a CB on everyone is to go with a heretic religion. So for example I am playing Abyssidia right now that's a Kingdom in Ethiopia that starts as orthodox heritics. And if I wanted to I could run over the whole map and start a holy war with any country because they are not my heretic buddies.
Though of course being a heretic has some other problems 
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On March 01 2012 04:49 Skilledblob wrote:fastest way to get a CB on everyone is to go with a heretic religion. So for example I am playing Abyssidia right now that's a Kingdom in Ethiopia that starts as orthodox heritics. And if I wanted to I could run over the whole map and start a holy war with any country because they are not my heretic buddies. Though of course being a heretic has some other problems
What exactly are the problems with being heretic? Can you still be excommunicated when you're a catholic heretic?
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On March 01 2012 07:08 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 04:49 Skilledblob wrote:fastest way to get a CB on everyone is to go with a heretic religion. So for example I am playing Abyssidia right now that's a Kingdom in Ethiopia that starts as orthodox heritics. And if I wanted to I could run over the whole map and start a holy war with any country because they are not my heretic buddies. Though of course being a heretic has some other problems What exactly are the problems with being heretic? Can you still be excommunicated when you're a catholic heretic?
no excommunications but no help frm the pope too.
everybody basically is hating you because you are a heretic, this gets of course softened a bit when you have good diplomacy.
Overall it is really not that bad, you are free from the church, your bishops only pay you taxes so no messing around with their opinion about the pope.
Being heretic pretty much means that you are free. Free to do what you want and free to get killed by who ever wants. Luckily when you play Ethiopia you are fairly secluded behind the Shia caliphate so you are pretty safe in the beginning if you manage to hold off the occasional Shia Caliphate holy war against you. But with some abuse of the desert terrain it's doable. In the Desert in southern Egypt there must have died at least over 200000 soldiers from starvation over the course of 3 wars. Pretty awesome when the calipahte comes with 10k stacks but the provinces can only handle around 5k
Right now in my Ethiopia game it is around 1260 and I control Ethiopia, Yemen and Oman and now I am slowly starting to work my way into the caliphate. 35 Gold per month and 50000 soldiers.
Worst about heretics is that they cant hire mercs ^^
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Been wanting to try a Paradox title for a long time, fun game.
One thing I can't figure out- how do I move my capital? Playing as William the Conquerer and capital seems to stay in Rouen after becoming King of England.
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Go to the county you want to move to (you have to control it ofc), and click the crown button next to the name.
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On March 01 2012 09:59 seRapH wrote:
Go to the county you want to move to (you have to control it ofc), and click the crown button next to the name.
Thanks, will check that out. Although it appears William continued to rule from Normandy historically, so maybe I'll leave it be. :D
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On March 01 2012 10:05 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 09:59 seRapH wrote:
Go to the county you want to move to (you have to control it ofc), and click the crown button next to the name. Thanks, will check that out. Although it appears William continued to rule from Normandy historically, so maybe I'll leave it be. :D
William was busy running around smashing rebellions in Normandy so he never had time to leave
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Just when I thought I'd seen it all, a Maghreb-culture Holy Roman Emperor appears from nowhere. He was Salian, too, so I imagine it came from a weird marriage. Since he is from a muslim culture, all the duchies in the empire became emirates (Emirate of Bavaria, etc.). I love this game! xD
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On March 01 2012 13:32 scFoX wrote:
Just when I thought I'd seen it all, a Maghreb-culture Holy Roman Emperor appears from nowhere. He was Salian, too, so I imagine it came from a weird marriage. Since he is from a muslim culture, all the duchies in the empire became emirates (Emirate of Bavaria, etc.). I love this game! xD
hilarious.
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On March 01 2012 13:32 scFoX wrote:
Just when I thought I'd seen it all, a Maghreb-culture Holy Roman Emperor appears from nowhere. He was Salian, too, so I imagine it came from a weird marriage. Since he is from a muslim culture, all the duchies in the empire became emirates (Emirate of Bavaria, etc.). I love this game! xD
Lol that is so weird.
Speaking of weird emperors, I actually had a game where the habsburgs entered the throne.
Now this might not sound strange, but the habsburgs in this game are in their cradle, and are mere counts in a tiny, poor province north of western switzerland.
And ofcourse - he was heretic.
Honestly the best thing you can hope for if you're remotely close to the HRE is an emperor of another religion.
He actually managed to hold it together for like 50 years, but then it all came tumbling together, and I managed to snatch a nice duchy from him.
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How on earth do people become Maghreb randomly. Here I am wrecking havoc in the middle of 13th century Scandinavia, with the Iberian peninsula becoming mostly muslim/maghreb, and then the pope turns into a Maghreb Catholic. ._.
What. It doesn't really affect me but I'd really like to know how that happens.
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On March 01 2012 17:36 seRapH wrote:
How on earth do people become Maghreb randomly. Here I am wrecking havoc in the middle of 13th century Scandinavia, with the Iberian peninsula becoming mostly muslim/maghreb, and then the pope turns into a Maghreb Catholic. ._.
What. It doesn't really affect me but I'd really like to know how that happens.
I think it might be through tutoring? Atleast I'm pretty sure that's how it happens with heretics. You marry someone with great stats who are a heretic, you let her tutor your heir, and then he's a heretic soon, and then you have a heretic empire. In the case of HRE, almost everyone in the HRE turned heretic after a while.
As you can't marry muslims I'm not sure how that worked out though. Really strange.
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Played a great game yesterday on my like 10hour marathon. Unfortunatly no pics are included.
I started of as the Danish king and kept conquering pomerania and the Estonian/lithuanian area and kept going till I had conquered finland aswell. During this time the danish kingdom had seen 3 kings rise to power, all through succession and the pety revolts we're instantly shut down. Untill one day, my only son dies (assasination problably), my king is incapable. And the remaining heir is the bastard I had with the pommerenian duchess... I had not aknowledged him as my son and therefore I could not take over as him if my character would die. I had to nominate my only daughter as my heir. (she was useless, bad traits, throw away marrige). And when my king died she had to take over. But her sons we're not eligable as a heir to my old bloodline. Therefore I could not continue to play the game if I would even survive the revolts that undoubtedly would erupt throughout my kingdom.
So she takes over and ofc immidiatly 50% of my vassals revolt. My purse is getting empty from holding off the vassals from the danish mainland with mercenaries when Poland attacks. My long standing ally through marrige. My nephew, declares war. He takes over whats left and I have to sign peace. Now whats left of the danish kingdom is 2 provinces in Estonia. And no son to carry on playing as.
GG!
tl;dr
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On March 01 2012 19:38 Bourneq wrote:
Played a great game yesterday on my like 10hour marathon. Unfortunatly no pics are included.
I started of as the Danish king and kept conquering pomerania and the Estonian/lithuanian area and kept going till I had conquered finland aswell. During this time the danish kingdom had seen 3 kings rise to power, all through succession and the pety revolts we're instantly shut down. Untill one day, my only son dies (assasination problably), my king is incapable. And the remaining heir is the bastard I had with the pommerenian duchess... I had not aknowledged him as my son and therefore I could not take over as him if my character would die. I had to nominate my only daughter as my heir. (she was useless, bad traits, throw away marrige). And when my king died she had to take over. But her sons we're not eligable as a heir to my old bloodline. Therefore I could not continue to play the game if I would even survive the revolts that undoubtedly would erupt throughout my kingdom.
So she takes over and ofc immidiatly 50% of my vassals revolt. My purse is getting empty from holding off the vassals from the danish mainland with mercenaries when Poland attacks. My long standing ally through marrige. My nephew, declares war. He takes over whats left and I have to sign peace. Now whats left of the danish kingdom is 2 provinces in Estonia. And no son to carry on playing as.
GG!
tl;dr
You're swedish and you played as denmark? What's wrong with you man?
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