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seRapH
United States9767 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On February 25 2012 10:18 StatX wrote: One of the best ways to get rid of bad vassals who despise is to trick them. Have your spymaster uncover plots around your capital. Most of your vasssals will be plotting against you. Once you find a plot of theirs, imprison them, most of the time, they will revolt and you can squash them by invading them again 1 by 1. If you dont accept their surrender, you will relcaim all holdings in their area and can replace them with younger, more likeable vassals (preferably kinsman). Wait what? If I don't accept their surrender, which I've always done and it lets me take away one of their titles: I can just.. wait.. and I'll be able to revoke all of their titles? Or what? How d'you do that? Edit. To rephrase my question into something almost comprehensible: Is there any way to remove more than one title from a captured vassal? | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On February 25 2012 12:07 seRapH wrote: No, you don't understand. YOU RECEIVE FREE 120K UNITS. They act like mercs that you don't have to pay. I can now go to war whenever I want against whomever I want and get free wins. well you aren't supposed to play them muslims :p allthough i wonder if that's why my 100k army of frenchmen was butchered by 3 waves of muslim 12-13k stacks totalling like 300k(i checked the battle casualties!) muslims from mauretania :/ | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 25 2012 12:49 Euronyme wrote: Wait what? If I don't accept their surrender, which I've always done and it lets me take away one of their titles: I can just.. wait.. and I'll be able to revoke all of their titles? Or what? How d'you do that? Edit. To rephrase my question into something almost comprehensible: Is there any way to remove more than one title from a captured vassal? You can banish them and you get all their titles and money. But all your other vassals hate you. But theortically if you just fought a huge civil war and all your vassals are in jail you can banish the most annoying one [like the one with the biggest provinces] and then re-distribute that stuff to new vassals who will (a) love you (b) be too small to be as threatening as the guy you banished. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 25 2012 12:07 seRapH wrote: No, you don't understand. YOU RECEIVE FREE 120K UNITS. They act like mercs that you don't have to pay. I can now go to war whenever I want against whomever I want and get free wins. I am guessing its just a quick and dirty fix by Paradox to prevent the Mongols from conquering everything in the way. You can look how quickly they spread to anything that isnt Byzantium/HRE in Christian Europe. From Denmark to Croatia I see Mongols, and inevitable revolts, but they never dare to attack HRE/Byzantium because presumably the ai has some sort of strength algorithm and figures it cant beat those guys. If the Mongols just blitz through the Arab Caliphate and run into North Africa there wont be anything to stop them until they reach into like, French Spain [wherver that is the French computer finally stopped its crusades vs Andalusians] | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:48 randombum wrote: Running elective as a King, but not handing out any duchies makes picking your heir so easy and smooth. depends on how many duchy titles you hold. If there are no duchy titles at all than your counts will be able to vote afaik | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On February 25 2012 12:07 seRapH wrote: No, you don't understand. YOU RECEIVE FREE 120K UNITS. They act like mercs that you don't have to pay. I can now go to war whenever I want against whomever I want and get free wins. What version was this, if I may ask? There was a woopsie in an early version where the mongol horde event gave the players loads of guys. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On February 25 2012 19:52 Skilledblob wrote: depends on how many duchy titles you hold. If there are no duchy titles at all than your counts will be able to vote afaik Yeah generally it also seems better to keep all duchies for yourself for other reasons. It seems like vassal dukes always try to fuck every other of your vassals in the duchy up to rule all of it himself and replace them with his own vassals.. and then he'll revolt. Dukes are assholes. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On February 25 2012 23:59 Euronyme wrote: Yeah generally it also seems better to keep all duchies for yourself for other reasons. It seems like vassal dukes always try to fuck every other of your vassals in the duchy up to rule all of it himself and replace them with his own vassals.. and then he'll revolt. Dukes are assholes. for every duke title you hold past two you get -10 relations for all your vassals when you run elective(or maybe only the feudal ones) so if you can then avoid creating any more duke titles ^^ | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
On February 25 2012 12:49 Euronyme wrote: Wait what? If I don't accept their surrender, which I've always done and it lets me take away one of their titles: I can just.. wait.. and I'll be able to revoke all of their titles? Or what? How d'you do that? Edit. To rephrase my question into something almost comprehensible: Is there any way to remove more than one title from a captured vassal? There are 2 things to look for when fighting someone. 1) The reason of the war - If you use a ducal claim: the town/county that is at the center of the dispute will be yours. - If you use a holy war/defend faith: pay attention to the outline of the reason fo the war. Picking one with too much territory will mean a longer war and you want to avoid raising troops too long as your duckes, mayors and bishops opinion of you will be lowered over time. - If you use a courtier's claim: your courtier will inherit the piece of land at the end and will be your vassal 2) Mean of victory At the bottom on the right, you will see a small circle with a picture of the person you declared war on. When the percentage is high enough on it, you will be able to offer peace by ENFORCING DEMAND. This will allow you to claim the territory, bishopric, city, ect in that county. If you instead accept the offer they make you, in most cases you take over the piece of land but you keep the people managing it (who most likely wont like you for invading them). So always be sure you win based on your terms and not theirs. This will allow you to distribute the towns, bishopric and counties to your kinsman who are most likely to stay loyal to your rulership over time. Note that you cannot really win a war without occupying all the land that was at the center of a dispute. However, if you squash your opponents major army, it does count as a large chunk towards being able to enforce demands. | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
1) Holy War : This is the easy way to wage war but can only be used against sunni states (like the caliphates) andd the mongol horde in most cases. This war will allow you to gain a limited amount of prestige for winning (50-100) 2) Defend the Faith : this can be used on the same terms as the Holy War but you gain mostly piety instead (50-100) 3) Jure Du Cal / Ducal Claim : this means that your family has a claim for these parcels of land. This is most likely the result of land you invaded and made a title for in the past. This generally cannot be acquired through the game (there are a few rare exceptions) and the ones you will see 99.99999% of the time are te ones you begin with. 4) Courtier/Vassal Claim : similar to the Ducal Claim, this means one of your vassal's family line has a claim on certain parcels of land. Winning usually results in your courtier taking over the parcel of land under your command (thus becoming a vassal from a courtier) and will gain a + 100 relationship bonus for defending his claims. 5) Independance War : This allows you to attempt breaking free of your liege. This is one of the hardest fight unless your liege is away fithging someone else in other region. You will still need to win by raising the War Progress to 90-100% prior to being able to break free. If you are wondering how you can acquire vassal with claims to parcel of lands, here is how. 1) Click on a parcel of land (Like burgos for exemple) 2) Click on the upper left shield arm icon for the castle picture 3) You will come to a window where you can see title for the land and the owner of the demensne 4) You should see some cylindric buttons like usurp, revoke, claimants .... 5) Click claimants and a window will appear showing all the perople with claims to the parcel of land 6) People who do not own land will show either a thumbs up or thumbs down symbol 7) People with thumbs up mean you can invite them to your court (right click their picture and click on diplomacy, select invite to court and they will come to you as a courtier) 8) You can now wage war on the owner of the piece of land on the basis that they usurped a piece of land belonging to your courtier I hope this helps people understanding how one can expand. EDIT : Corrected some typos | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 25 2012 01:55 Haemonculus wrote: edit: AND I'm a dwarf! Gonna go all Tyrion Lannister on these fools! I saw a Genius Dwarf with a ton of Intrigue once, but no amount of women I offered would get him to my court.  | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Candadar
2049 Posts
Really don't want to play the tutorial again, as I really forgot anything. Perhaps a more condensed version? | ||
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seRapH
United States9767 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On February 26 2012 20:07 Talin wrote: Can you ever change the culture of a province? I don't want Dublin to be Norwegian forever, that makes no sense. culture changes based on your rulers and vassals culture. But it seems to be fairly random On February 26 2012 11:34 nttea wrote: OK people ask how to expand... i can do that but now how the hell do i keep counts/dukes from constantly trying to declare independence in a larger kingdom? even when on 0 relations they still keep declaring war on me T_T i know all the basic things to keep the relation decent (the laws, gifts, titles etc..) but is there something im missing that i can do to make them stop declaring war on me all the fucking time? it seems the larger my kingdom gets the higher my relations can be with them still wanting to rebel, im not sure if i need to be an emperor or something to be able to hold together larger amounts of land? It depends a lot on what kind of vassals you have. Do you use your family members as vassals? Do you use vassals with the ambitious perk? Does your king have a different culture than your vassals? All these things and many more are important. So it's hard for me to make a general statement about what you have to do because there is so much you can do so you'll have to elaborate more and say exactly what the reasons are that they hate you. And 0 relations is pretty bad actually  | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
On February 26 2012 11:34 nttea wrote: OK people ask how to expand... i can do that but now how the hell do i keep counts/dukes from constantly trying to declare independence in a larger kingdom? even when on 0 relations they still keep declaring war on me T_T i know all the basic things to keep the relation decent (the laws, gifts, titles etc..) but is there something im missing that i can do to make them stop declaring war on me all the fucking time? it seems the larger my kingdom gets the higher my relations can be with them still wanting to rebel, im not sure if i need to be an emperor or something to be able to hold together larger amounts of land? To keep your vassals happy and prevent them from rebelling is the hardest thing of the game to be honest. 1) Try giving duchies and baronies to your direct relatives only. 2) Befre giving anything away, look at your vassals traits. Those with the content trait are most liekly to stay in line by default. 3) Avoid drafting troops from their province when you can. If you go on an extended war with soldiers who dont belong to you, they lose opinion of you as you go. Try to keep the duchies with the highest troop possibility under your command. 4) Depending who you are playing, it costs a lot to go to war vs someone who is fighting the sunni states. In most cases, the Pope will intervene (providing he likes you) and often provide large sums of money to hire extra mercenaries with. On February 26 2012 20:07 Talin wrote: Can you ever change the culture of a province? I don't want Dublin to be Norwegian forever, that makes no sense. As you play, if you can keep them under control and happy, you will sometimes get the event where the culture changes but you cannot directly influence this (not as far as I know for the moment). Culture isn't that bad of a penalty (1-2% revolt risk only). But pay close attention to the religion as it is much worse. On February 26 2012 11:43 Candadar wrote: Played like...an hour of this game and that was the tutorial and just stopped to go play Vicky 2 and never came back. Really don't want to play the tutorial again, as I really forgot anything. Perhaps a more condensed version? Go to youtube and watch tutorials there, they will teach you the essentials to play the game. When you grasp the basics, just add to gameplay by adding on to it bit by bit. Personally, I have started trifling with laws to control the populace and the crown authority to allow me to give away lands/succesion to my daughters and to nominate whoever I wajnt for heir (I took over the HRE and the Byzantine by plotting succession with my relatives). | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Weird stuff. I guess I have to give the city directly to the count and let him worry about assigning a mayor :/ Edit. I wonder what would happen if you build a church in your heirs county. Then you'd have to make him a bishop too and thus remove him as heir? Edit. Hmm. What would happen if you give two counts the other ones city? :O | ||
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