On April 01 2012 03:09 Cornix wrote: I am having far more fun with this game then I can even understand. I only got it two days ago. I started out as the count of Gwent (one of the independent counties in wales)... 100-150 years later his great great grandson inherited Russia. Like... all of russia. Also at some point somehow my Welsh family became hungarian and I inherited one city in hungary (not a county, just one city), so everyone in wales was pissed at me for being hungarian, and then the hungarian king of wales inherited all of russia and everyone was doubly pissed because I was welsh/hungarian and christian. Then the world exploded and the mongols came. Things got messy.
Also as far as the character designer goes, it's DLC at least so if you don't like it you can just not buy it, but for me I know exactly what I'm doing, as I'm descended from minor scottish nobility who ruled a town in midlothian, my own dynasty are totally coming into the game. :D
Well just FYI. If you give your kids a nanny (ward) of another culture, they'll turn into that culture.
Yeah.. that one I realized.. that wasn't actually the problem.... looking back at it... when I married my heir off to a random (genius+grey eminence) hungarian courtier, assuming that courtier would would come to my court... apparently before my current character died that couriter inherited a town, so my heir went with her to hungary, which is where there children were born so they were brought up there instead and I had no control over the situation. Kinda lame.. but oh well.
On April 01 2012 12:23 Cornix wrote: Yeah.. that one I realized.. that wasn't actually the problem.... looking back at it... when I married my heir off to a random (genius+grey eminence) hungarian courtier, assuming that courtier would would come to my court... apparently before my current character died that couriter inherited a town, so my heir went with her to hungary, which is where there children were born so they were brought up there instead and I had no control over the situation. Kinda lame.. but oh well.
When that happens give your heir a landed title asap so the children are born in his court and you can still educate them when they're 6.
Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
The battles are the best part! You get to watch 2 guys with swords and shield hit each other a la runescape and watch bars turn from green to red and then numbers go down!
Pity they're probably only like .005% of the game. + Show Spoiler +
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
I'd say it's definitely worth it for you. Battle mechanics in CK 2 are simplified in comparison to other grand strategy titles. Much, much more of the emphasis is placed on dynasty simulation, with all its intrigue attendant. Each playthrough has gone much differently from the last, culminating so far in my current playthrough which I posted about on the previous page which is quite bonkers.
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
It's a good quality game with a huge modding community. Very much so worth your money. It's not total war though. Europa universalis is much closer to it. Try that out too btw.
Just as a comparison I personally have 6 hours total war, 200 hours CK2 and probably about 700 hours EU3 Divine Wind.
Play the demo or something and try it out until you understand the game mechanics. Count on it taking a couple of days to learn all the basic mechanics, and a couple of weeks to make up a somewhat efficient strategy for yourself.
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Dynasty and vassal management is probably the most important thing.
For example, as the 50 year old Byzantine Emperor I offed my wife and married the 16 year old Duchess of Bosnia(how she became Duchess I don't know). Because it was a traditional marriage, my son would inherit the Duchy upon his mother's death. In the meantime, I needed to change my inheritance system to primogeniture so that my son would inherit the throne on my soon to be death as my sister was the currently elected as heir. Being the head of an empire, that's kind of difficult since you need no vassal's disliking you(among other things) and I have 50+ vassals. My wife also calls me into a war she started to take over the Croatian crown. I help and she wins, so now my son is going to inherit the Empire and then be able to integrate all of Croatia. I die, my son inherits, I(as my son now) decide to assassinate my mother to speed up the process(I justified to myself by saying she remarried). Now I'm left to put down the inevitable revolts and install new Counts and Dukes who are Greek Orthodox instead of the Croatian Catholics in power now.
duke of flanders has agn-cog primogeniture. seems fine. my duke marries a woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries another woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries a third woman, who dies in child birth. he marries a fourth woman who successfully gives birth to a girl. then he dies fighting some random hre civil war.
the girl grows up to be the queen, somehow not getting totally screwed up in the process. she gives birth to the emperor's cheating daughter, and thus in order to avoid this i have to switch to elective succession. she gives birth to another girl. and then she dies in childbirth.
that girl had 5 kids and decided to become celibate at 30. surprisingly most of the kids turned out really good. i had quick + tall + attractive, quick strong attractive, a genius, and two midas touched. unfortunately the genius was a girl, so gogo elective succession.
also somehow i'm the queen of aragon (despite ruling flanders), am in the hre, and the teutonic order is my vassal that owns half of iberia.
On April 01 2012 17:19 DarkwindHK wrote: I find out that its ok to "do it" with your daughter as long as you're the King. (and your wife's intrigue is low....)
However, how do you call that kid? Your son or your grandson?
Only bad thing is that they might turn out inbred.. Other than that, well gl hf Fritzl style.
On April 01 2012 16:52 Caller wrote: holy fuck that was a frsutrating game
duke of flanders has agn-cog primogeniture. seems fine. my duke marries a woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries another woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries a third woman, who dies in child birth. he marries a fourth woman who successfully gives birth to a girl. then he dies fighting some random hre civil war.
the girl grows up to be the queen, somehow not getting totally screwed up in the process. she gives birth to the emperor's cheating daughter, and thus in order to avoid this i have to switch to elective succession. she gives birth to another girl. and then she dies in childbirth.
that girl had 5 kids and decided to become celibate at 30. surprisingly most of the kids turned out really good. i had quick + tall + attractive, quick strong attractive, a genius, and two midas touched. unfortunately the genius was a girl, so gogo elective succession.
also somehow i'm the queen of aragon (despite ruling flanders), am in the hre, and the teutonic order is my vassal that owns half of iberia.
I've never had a consort die at childbirth in any of my playthroughs. They always either die by my own hands, through old age, or thorugh the scheming intrigue of others.
On April 01 2012 16:52 Caller wrote: holy fuck that was a frsutrating game
duke of flanders has agn-cog primogeniture. seems fine. my duke marries a woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries another woman, she dies in childbirth. he marries a third woman, who dies in child birth. he marries a fourth woman who successfully gives birth to a girl. then he dies fighting some random hre civil war.
the girl grows up to be the queen, somehow not getting totally screwed up in the process. she gives birth to the emperor's cheating daughter, and thus in order to avoid this i have to switch to elective succession. she gives birth to another girl. and then she dies in childbirth.
that girl had 5 kids and decided to become celibate at 30. surprisingly most of the kids turned out really good. i had quick + tall + attractive, quick strong attractive, a genius, and two midas touched. unfortunately the genius was a girl, so gogo elective succession.
also somehow i'm the queen of aragon (despite ruling flanders), am in the hre, and the teutonic order is my vassal that owns half of iberia.
I've never had a consort die at childbirth in any of my playthroughs. They always either die by my own hands, through old age, or thorugh the scheming intrigue of others.
Me neither actually. However I prefer playing on normal instead of hard and whatnot. Afaik that only makes your characters next to infertile, but it might do more(?)
Does anyone know how to get back the small buttons up top that shows things you have to do? I sometimes right click and press the X button to get rid of a certain symbol that's bugged me for a long time and that I know what it is (an inheritance warning for instance that I consider too minor to be important etc).. But then it doesn't show up at all later in a new game. I can't find any options for it :/
Edit. Anyone else who chuckles a little any time you see someone both being lustful and in celibate? I've had two popes in a row who are both hedonist and lustful.. they've gotta go insane in their castles not being able to have sex, but horny as teenagers ^^
i play with the ck2plus mod which does a lot of things to make the game more fun/more "realistic," for example it causes your characters to die a lot quicker, (stillbirth being very common) also drastically reduces your desmene size (from an average of 8 to 5) adds new empires, emblems, rebalances the mongols (from being able to annex russia in 5 seconds, they now have a 1 year truce holy war ) Also pagans got big buffs so they no longer get roflstomped by Denmark in the first five seconds.
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc
i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement.
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc
i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement.
That's true, but imo CK2 feels like it has more redundant mechanics, and you pretty quickly get the feeling "havn't I done this 1000 times before?" Especially if you want to be effective and marry off all females of your dynasty matrilinearly to a decent dude.. I've probably spent 10 hours on that alone, scrolling through lists clicking on people to check if they'd accept an invite to court. It's like 1/20 who accepts. EU3 had its pains too, when it came to diplo annexing / diplo vassilizing, but it was never that bad, and you actually achieved something by doing it. 2/3rds of the women I marry off matrilinearly either don't get any children at all, or gets like one girl, which just means you have to start all over again. Mods will probably keep it alive for a long time though. I'm really looking forward to the DLC so I can play my own family etc I'm apparently part of the largest documented family in the world! Time to make it so in the game too ^^
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc
i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement.
That's true, but imo CK2 feels like it has more redundant mechanics, and you pretty quickly get the feeling "havn't I done this 1000 times before?" Especially if you want to be effective and marry off all females of your dynasty matrilinearly to a decent dude.. I've probably spent 10 hours on that alone, scrolling through lists clicking on people to check if they'd accept an invite to court. It's like 1/20 who accepts. EU3 had its pains too, when it came to diplo annexing / diplo vassilizing, but it was never that bad, and you actually achieved something by doing it. 2/3rds of the women I marry off matrilinearly either don't get any children at all, or gets like one girl, which just means you have to start all over again. Mods will probably keep it alive for a long time though. I'm really looking forward to the DLC so I can play my own family etc I'm apparently part of the largest documented family in the world! Time to make it so in the game too ^^
i do think that there are some redundancies (like upgrading all your fucking castles) but there can probably be ways to mod that in. like add a "magistrate" that can automatically upgrade stuff for you. As for marriages, you actually WANT your females to marry into weird areas because you use it to get alliances as well as claims on random pieces of territory. For instance, if the guy is an only child and has one child (your grandson or something), since the paternal side is basically dead, the claims go down the maternal side. I used this piece of trickery to get a claim on the byzantine empire once. that was fun.
YES IT'S COMPLICATED, THIS IS HOW MARRIAGES WORKED BACK THEN.
On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote: Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only?
Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc
i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement.
That's true, but imo CK2 feels like it has more redundant mechanics, and you pretty quickly get the feeling "havn't I done this 1000 times before?" Especially if you want to be effective and marry off all females of your dynasty matrilinearly to a decent dude.. I've probably spent 10 hours on that alone, scrolling through lists clicking on people to check if they'd accept an invite to court. It's like 1/20 who accepts. EU3 had its pains too, when it came to diplo annexing / diplo vassilizing, but it was never that bad, and you actually achieved something by doing it. 2/3rds of the women I marry off matrilinearly either don't get any children at all, or gets like one girl, which just means you have to start all over again. Mods will probably keep it alive for a long time though. I'm really looking forward to the DLC so I can play my own family etc I'm apparently part of the largest documented family in the world! Time to make it so in the game too ^^
i do think that there are some redundancies (like upgrading all your fucking castles) but there can probably be ways to mod that in. like add a "magistrate" that can automatically upgrade stuff for you. As for marriages, you actually WANT your females to marry into weird areas because you use it to get alliances as well as claims on random pieces of territory. For instance, if the guy is an only child and has one child (your grandson or something), since the paternal side is basically dead, the claims go down the maternal side. I used this piece of trickery to get a claim on the byzantine empire once. that was fun.
YES IT'S COMPLICATED, THIS IS HOW MARRIAGES WORKED BACK THEN.
Navigating the family tree was really hard, and the dynasty tree lags whenever its at all big. Definitely something that's really annoying
Plus you can only see the next 3 heirs by hovering over the emblem, really wish it was easier so I could plan ahead >.>
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