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On April 03 2012 02:40 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 02:03 Euronyme wrote:On April 03 2012 00:26 Caller wrote:On April 03 2012 00:07 Bourneq wrote:On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote:
Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only? Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement. That's true, but imo CK2 feels like it has more redundant mechanics, and you pretty quickly get the feeling "havn't I done this 1000 times before?" Especially if you want to be effective and marry off all females of your dynasty matrilinearly to a decent dude.. I've probably spent 10 hours on that alone, scrolling through lists clicking on people to check if they'd accept an invite to court. It's like 1/20 who accepts. EU3 had its pains too, when it came to diplo annexing / diplo vassilizing, but it was never that bad, and you actually achieved something by doing it. 2/3rds of the women I marry off matrilinearly either don't get any children at all, or gets like one girl, which just means you have to start all over again. Mods will probably keep it alive for a long time though. I'm really looking forward to the DLC so I can play my own family etc  I'm apparently part of the largest documented family in the world! Time to make it so in the game too ^^ i do think that there are some redundancies (like upgrading all your fucking castles) but there can probably be ways to mod that in. like add a "magistrate" that can automatically upgrade stuff for you. As for marriages, you actually WANT your females to marry into weird areas because you use it to get alliances as well as claims on random pieces of territory. For instance, if the guy is an only child and has one child (your grandson or something), since the paternal side is basically dead, the claims go down the maternal side. I used this piece of trickery to get a claim on the byzantine empire once. that was fun. YES IT'S COMPLICATED, THIS IS HOW MARRIAGES WORKED BACK THEN.
Meh, not that complicated. That's a long shot though. Wouldn't rather the claims go on to your grandsons wife's family though? Matrilinear marriages with heirs is probably a lot more efficient imo. Especially as it's fairly common that they wanna come over to your court as they've got claims they want to press.
It's a royal pain in the ass though.
How effective is your strategy? What are the odds that your family will actually inherit the area that you marry into?
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On April 03 2012 02:56 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 02:40 Caller wrote:On April 03 2012 02:03 Euronyme wrote:On April 03 2012 00:26 Caller wrote:On April 03 2012 00:07 Bourneq wrote:On April 01 2012 13:01 socommaster123 wrote:
Please tell me this game is worth it.... I'm low on cash and don't really want to buy a game but I'm in love with games like the total war franchise. More or less I don't do fight in the total war games just manage armies and towns. My question is do you have to do battles in this game or is it management only? Takes a while to learn the game so you need to be a bit stubborn. But when you do its an absolute blast. Not as good as EU3 imo but its still up there. Ads a whole new aspect of it with so much family managment etc i actually like ck2 more than eu3 because in eu3 once you reach a certain size you can just start steamrolling people. here empires actually are very hard to manage because they're so damn big, i.e. the bigger you are the harder it is to expand. I also strongly recommend the ck2pplus mod as it has the better rebels mod, which turns rebels from annoying infantry stacks that are mostly just annoying into a debuff that severely reduces income and levy size. this is nice to have because having to smack rebels around because your dukes and counts are too stupid to kill them for you is a pain in the ass. Now if they don't deal with the rebels they get their income hurt, which is good for you because they have to deal with those, instead of having you burn through your levies to save your -100 opinion dukes. Really reduces the micromanagement. That's true, but imo CK2 feels like it has more redundant mechanics, and you pretty quickly get the feeling "havn't I done this 1000 times before?" Especially if you want to be effective and marry off all females of your dynasty matrilinearly to a decent dude.. I've probably spent 10 hours on that alone, scrolling through lists clicking on people to check if they'd accept an invite to court. It's like 1/20 who accepts. EU3 had its pains too, when it came to diplo annexing / diplo vassilizing, but it was never that bad, and you actually achieved something by doing it. 2/3rds of the women I marry off matrilinearly either don't get any children at all, or gets like one girl, which just means you have to start all over again. Mods will probably keep it alive for a long time though. I'm really looking forward to the DLC so I can play my own family etc I'm apparently part of the largest documented family in the world! Time to make it so in the game too ^^ i do think that there are some redundancies (like upgrading all your fucking castles) but there can probably be ways to mod that in. like add a "magistrate" that can automatically upgrade stuff for you. As for marriages, you actually WANT your females to marry into weird areas because you use it to get alliances as well as claims on random pieces of territory. For instance, if the guy is an only child and has one child (your grandson or something), since the paternal side is basically dead, the claims go down the maternal side. I used this piece of trickery to get a claim on the byzantine empire once. that was fun. YES IT'S COMPLICATED, THIS IS HOW MARRIAGES WORKED BACK THEN. Meh, not that complicated. That's a long shot though. Wouldn't rather the claims go on to your grandsons wife's family though? Matrilinear marriages with heirs is probably a lot more efficient imo. Especially as it's fairly common that they wanna come over to your court as they've got claims they want to press. It's a royal pain in the ass though. How effective is your strategy? What are the odds that your family will actually inherit the area that you marry into?
you know the War of the Spanish Succession? that entire war was based off not one but two claims by the sons of the sisters of the ruling king.
Not to mention the Hundred Years' War was caused by a closer male relative (from the sister that married into england) challenging the claim of the grandson that succeeded through primogeniture. That's why they imposed Salic Law.
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Ive played the first one and tried the demo of this one. Its a great game, takes a lot to get into it (like 5-6 hours before you know wtf is going on). But I find the Total War crusades expansion to be more action oriented and enjoyable. Although if you are in for some serious non battle related strategy, than this is definitly the game to play.
Either way, still a great game.
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Yeah, while I can say most of my marriage induced inheritances have been through the easy old 'Find a girl who is ALREADY the duchess/queen of an area and probably underage and marry her, then my son gets both whatever I rule and whatever she rules' there have been some inheritance things that have helped me quite a bit. If you have a target in mind to conquer just pay clooooose attention to their family tree and use whatever in you can get, if you can't get it outright marry a princess and your son should have a shot, etc.
The things I don't like about the game so far is that it seems a lot of the 'expected traditions' and whatnot are terrible ideas.
Like giving my sons landed titles ALWAYS ends in a succession crisis because they all always revolt. Also matrilinearly marrying my daughters off gives me a lot of dynasty members true, but those dynasty members always want to revolt and take the crown for themselves.
Though I did have a very hilarious even happen to me. I was king of scotland and ireland and looking to inherit the kingdom of brythain (wales), the king (while only 30) had one daughter and one son, so I married the daughter and assassinated the son. The welsh king proceeded to not have any sons for 20-25 years before pouring out 6 sons IN A ROW in like a 6-7 year period when he was like 60. I had to assassinate all of them.
Also this is what I get for playing the broken kingdoms mod, by the time I managed to take breifne and consolidate power in ireland and scotland flanders had somehow taken over half of northern france and basically ALL of england. Now they're the kingdom of england and most of northern france, as well as very good size chunks of germany and poland, plus the heir to england is also the heir to russia. I'm just hoping there is a MASSIVE rebellion when he takes over so I can sneak some chunks off cuz there is almost no way I can fight that without them being in 8-9 wars, they're walking around with like golden horde sized stacks at this point. I may post a screenshot once the succession happens to show how crazy it is.
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On April 03 2012 04:07 Cornix wrote:
Yeah, while I can say most of my marriage induced inheritances have been through the easy old 'Find a girl who is ALREADY the duchess/queen of an area and probably underage and marry her, then my son gets both whatever I rule and whatever she rules' there have been some inheritance things that have helped me quite a bit. If you have a target in mind to conquer just pay clooooose attention to their family tree and use whatever in you can get, if you can't get it outright marry a princess and your son should have a shot, etc.
The things I don't like about the game so far is that it seems a lot of the 'expected traditions' and whatnot are terrible ideas.
Like giving my sons landed titles ALWAYS ends in a succession crisis because they all always revolt. Also matrilinearly marrying my daughters off gives me a lot of dynasty members true, but those dynasty members always want to revolt and take the crown for themselves.
Though I did have a very hilarious even happen to me. I was king of scotland and ireland and looking to inherit the kingdom of brythain (wales), the king (while only 30) had one daughter and one son, so I married the daughter and assassinated the son. The welsh king proceeded to not have any sons for 20-25 years before pouring out 6 sons IN A ROW in like a 6-7 year period when he was like 60. I had to assassinate all of them.
Also this is what I get for playing the broken kingdoms mod, by the time I managed to take breifne and consolidate power in ireland and scotland flanders had somehow taken over half of northern france and basically ALL of england. Now they're the kingdom of england and most of northern france, as well as very good size chunks of germany and poland, plus the heir to england is also the heir to russia. I'm just hoping there is a MASSIVE rebellion when he takes over so I can sneak some chunks off cuz there is almost no way I can fight that without them being in 8-9 wars, they're walking around with like golden horde sized stacks at this point. I may post a screenshot once the succession happens to show how crazy it is.
Just a little pointer. Matrilinear marriage is often more effective than normal ones with your males, as you can get the heir of France to come to your court as he wants to press whatever county claims he has (these dudes are often landless). Then you can marry him off to some far off kinswoman matrilinearly. If he's in your court he can't say no.
Boom with elective succession you're the king of France.
Fun part is that the guy wouldn't even want to marry my kinswoman regularly if he wasn't in my court ^^
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Should I like... go stab myself with a rusty spoon now?
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On April 03 2012 13:39 Jhohok wrote:I was playing as Scotland and twice this event pops up about something in the Golden Horde, I think, and i think 5 "20K armies (all named Scottish Army) appear at the court of King _________ of Scotland" lines, 5000 gold, and some really rape advisors (25+) pop up in the tooltip. I get the 5k gold and the advisors, but the 5 20k are on the eastmost edge of the map, so I ignore them. 20 years later, I'm getting raped by England, so I get this great idea to maybe ship the fuckers over here, so I make the 100k army walk across all of Europe to a port in France, load em up, and drop them off in England and I win the war so quickly it wasn't even funny. Is this a bug or something? Because I have no idea if this is supposed to happen. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RoSaF.jpg)
I was nice the first time around, but this time I'll be more blunt. Don't pirate your game.
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On April 03 2012 13:39 Jhohok wrote:
I was playing as Scotland and twice this event pops up about something in the Golden Horde, I think, and i think 5 "20K armies (all named Scottish Army) appear at the court of King _________ of Scotland" lines, 5000 gold, and some really rape advisors (25+) pop up in the tooltip.
I get the 5k gold and the advisors, but the 5 20k are on the eastmost edge of the map, so I ignore them.
20 years later, I'm getting raped by England, so I get this great idea to maybe ship the fuckers over here, so I make the 100k army walk across all of Europe to a port in France, load em up, and drop them off in England and I win the war so quickly it wasn't even funny.
Is this a bug or something? Because I have no idea if this is supposed to happen.
dont pirate good games
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I have about a hundred years left on my latest playthrough. Are there any significant differences to be had in terms of ramping up in-game difficulty, or should I move on to mods?
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On April 03 2012 15:56 itsjustatank wrote:
I have about a hundred years left on my latest playthrough. Are there any significant differences to be had in terms of ramping up in-game difficulty, or should I move on to mods?
Well the mods are great actually. I highly recommend them!
Other than that, starting as a count is always a nice way to make it harder, even though it also makes it more dull as there's really not that much you can do really.
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Did you guys see the upcoming DLC for CK2 coming April 16?
The DLC will allow us to change a king to our liking and create our own kings with ability points qualities and flaws, change the beards, coat of arms...
Should be $5.00 from what Steam was linking to (sorry dont have the link here at work).
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On April 04 2012 01:54 StatX wrote:
Did you guys see the upcoming DLC for CK2 coming April 16?
The DLC will allow us to change a king to our liking and create our own kings with ability points qualities and flaws, change the beards, coat of arms...
Should be $5.00 from what Steam was linking to (sorry dont have the link here at work).
Yeah, it was linked in the last page last.
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I bought the game and I'm very very excited.
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On April 04 2012 09:30 socommaster123 wrote:
I bought the game and I'm very very excited.
As you should be! Its a wonderful game. Myself have gone back to modding eu3 tho. Its easier to reastablish the roman empire that way,
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On April 04 2012 19:16 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 09:30 socommaster123 wrote:
I bought the game and I'm very very excited. As you should be! Its a wonderful game. Myself have gone back to modding eu3 tho. Its easier to reastablish the roman empire that way,
Re-establishing the Roman Empire you say? Still on this playthrough, and the AI managed to do this.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 05 2012 00:10 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 19:16 Bourneq wrote:On April 04 2012 09:30 socommaster123 wrote:
I bought the game and I'm very very excited. As you should be! Its a wonderful game. Myself have gone back to modding eu3 tho. Its easier to reastablish the roman empire that way, Re-establishing the Roman Empire you say? Still on this playthrough, and the AI managed to do this. + Show Spoiler +
Thats insane. I hope they conquer the rest of North Africa too. That was awesome tho. Well done AI.
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On April 05 2012 00:15 Bourneq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 00:10 itsjustatank wrote:On April 04 2012 19:16 Bourneq wrote:On April 04 2012 09:30 socommaster123 wrote:
I bought the game and I'm very very excited. As you should be! Its a wonderful game. Myself have gone back to modding eu3 tho. Its easier to reastablish the roman empire that way, Re-establishing the Roman Empire you say? Still on this playthrough, and the AI managed to do this. + Show Spoiler + Thats insane. I hope they conquer the rest of North Africa too. That was awesome tho. Well done AI.
Well, I'm the one conquering the rest of North Africa, Spain, and Ireland right now because I'm a huge vassal kingdom in the empire. A lot of the map-painting was mine, but the personal union between HRE and ERE was crafted by the AI somehow.
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Sorry I posted this in the EU3 thread already, so even though the answer probably is the same I decided to through up the question here as well, as the EU3 thread is pretty much dead.
Does anyone know how to play more than one mod at once? Modders on the paradox forums keep saying that their mods are compatible with all other mods etc. but you can only select one mod from the drop down list in the game launcher.
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Are they not active even tho its not selected in the slider? Or isnt there a select all mods option or something? If not im not sure. Im buying EU3 (im a pirate :3) soon so I can play mods. Its such a good game it deserves more cash then I can offer.
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On April 05 2012 21:15 Euronyme wrote:
Sorry I posted this in the EU3 thread already, so even though the answer probably is the same I decided to through up the question here as well, as the EU3 thread is pretty much dead.
Does anyone know how to play more than one mod at once? Modders on the paradox forums keep saying that their mods are compatible with all other mods etc. but you can only select one mod from the drop down list in the game launcher.
afaik eu3 only lets you use one mod at a time
you can try anaglamating them together with brute force thought w
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