|
On December 21 2011 05:06 Holcan wrote:
I think one thing people are forgetting when comparing these two teams, and the results they will pull. The clippers, are the clippers, people play against them as if they are playing against the clippers. The Lakers are the team behind the Heat that most teams want to demolish, and usually bring their A game.
My point is, teams actually play against LAL, against LAC the games were more of a day off in the big city, than anything else, especially once the Clips started off 1-12. Whether its the same this year, who knows, but I still feel there are many other teams which garner more respect than LAC.
yeah i can understand what you're saying here, but if any team is still underestimating them this season it would be a big mistake. if you dont give 100% playing against clippers they are going to punish you for it - much stronger this year, not even comparable to last season
|
Ya and that was part of the greatness of the CP3 trade. It changed that image of the Clippers overnight to where we kind of expect success from them now, don't know when that's been said of Clips.
|
I'm still in the opinion that the coaching in Portland, San Antonio, Denver, Memphis and OKC is better than the coaching in LAC.
The aforementioned teams will bring game every night, all I hear about LAC is "Lob City", which although is (very) entertaining, isn't solid fundamental basketball. Right now, LAC seems like they are taking Lawlers Law into serious consideration of being the key to winning their games. I'm not hating on them, but calling them top two when Griffen is still raw, and they are missing a bench and a two guard, and the season hasn't even started yet ! is putting the cart before the horse.
edit: As much as Chauncey and CP3 seem to love winning, hopefully thats actually what starts happening in LA, this year. Because there are many pertinent threats in the West, that have a "Win now or bust" mentality, and it would be nice to add another team to that pile, rather than just a team loaded with talent that is competing at the level of the Hawks in the East.
|
yeah calling them top 2 is definitely too far a jump and overconfident speculation. what's undeniable is that the trade made them an immediate contender. it's going to take more than this shortened season for them to get their chemistry solid probably
|
Nothing builds chemistry like dunks!
|
The Lakers are still a better team than the Clips for me.
There are intangible factors that could have an influence like the loss of Odom and Mike Brown bringing in a new system, but I'd still take the Lakers as the #1 team in LA for now.
|
The Clippers will probably have less problems figuring things out than the Heat or the Knicks.
They have better depth outside their stars, and they don't have to figure out who gets the ball. Chris Paul should get complete control of the offense, and he'll find his guys. Blake and Deandre aren't exactly get me the ball and let me create my shot moves so much as get me the ball in a good position guys. The only sharing problem will be bledsoe and other shooters, who on the bad clippers were expected to bail them out if they couldn't find anything inside.
Their bigger issue is their ceiling isn't as high as the Heat and they have a player development coach.
|
Actually, if you consider that the Clippers' ball handelers have gone from Fat B-diddy and Young Eric Bledsoe to Chris Paul and Chauncey Billups in the span of a year? That's a massive upgrade. Chauncey Billups is as savvy as Paul and incredibly cerebral - plus he has a post game. Of course, he has never been the sheer talent that CP3 is and I doubt many humans see a basketball court like Chris Paul, but Chauncey Billups' handles, leadership and shot makes this team very dangerous.
What I mean to say is, that for at least 1 season, Mr. Big Shot is probably gonna be a fine replacement for EJ.
|
On December 21 2011 09:07 slyboogie wrote:
Actually, if you consider that the Clippers' ball handelers have gone from Fat B-diddy and Young Eric Bledsoe to Chris Paul and Chauncey Billups in the span of a year? That's a massive upgrade. Chauncey Billups is as savvy as Paul and incredibly cerebral - plus he has a post game. Of course, he has never been the sheer talent that CP3 is and I doubt many humans see a basketball court like Chris Paul, but Chauncey Billups' handles, leadership and shot makes this team very dangerous.
What I mean to say is, that for at least 1 season, Mr. Big Shot is probably gonna be a fine replacement for EJ.
I was having this argument with my friends. CP3 et all are great players, but you cannot predict for team chemistry - their ability to lead a completely new set of players with only a handful of days of training camp?
well, their play against lakers pretty much put that argument to rest.
|
Anyone with leaguepass broadband have problems viewing preseason games?
|
People shouldn't expect too much from the Clips too soon.
Griffin is still in his second season. He has a big, big ceiling but he still has a lot to learn.
DeAndre Jordan is a bit overrated for me. He's pretty much a young Kendrick Perkins: Distinct lack of an offensive game but good defender. I think he's pretty overrated (and overpaid as 5s seem to be these days) for what he brings to the team. The jury is out on Butler as to how productive he will be. Billups is a great pickup for only 2mill.
Their bench is weak. Outside of Mo and probably Bledsoe they don't really have much that I like. With such a compacted season their starters will play big minutes so they better keep on top of injuries.
Oh and I'd be quietly searching for a new coach too. It's a shame Adelman still isn't available.
|
On December 21 2011 13:19 RowdierBob wrote:
People shouldn't expect too much from the Clips too soon.
Griffin is still in his second season. He has a big, big ceiling but he still has a lot to learn.
DeAndre Jordan is a bit overrated for me. He's pretty much a young Kendrick Perkins: Distinct lack of an offensive game but good defender. I think he's pretty overrated (and overpaid as 5s seem to be these days) for what he brings to the team. The jury is out on Butler as to how productive he will be. Billups is a great pickup for only 2mill.
Their bench is weak. Outside of Mo and probably Bledsoe they don't really have much that I like. With such a compacted season their starters will play big minutes so they better keep on top of injuries.
Oh and I'd be quietly searching for a new coach too. It's a shame Adelman still isn't available.
I think realistically no one is expecting them to suddenly smash through the league.
But it's fair to say at least they're in the right direction.
IIRC didn't they still have a fair bit of cap-space left? Could start using that to focus on bench anyway.
|
Good year for Hump. Scored a nice loot from his "marriage" to Kim K and now the Nets have been dumb enough to pay him $8 mill for the next year.
Looks like the owners really cared about driving down costs and dumb contracts.
|
He wanted 10 and a long term contract apparently, as much as I agree that some big men are overpaid, one year contracts are never a bad idea. Trade collateral, and another "contract year" are two beneficial traits of one year contracts. Lets see if Hump can have another contract year and see his worth of getting a long term contract.
Screw the money, he had sex with Dat Ass.
|
8 million for one year to rent his superb rebounding and defense isn't really too terrible. Not ideal, but he's def worth at least 5mil per year.
|
8m for one year isn't really too bad at all. length is just as important as the money. 8m/1 year is infinitely better for the team than 24m/3 years.
|
|
|
Holy Crap the Clips have signed Reggie Evans to the veteran's minimum for one year. That's nutso wacko good. I mean, that's insanely good. In terms of value, that might be one of the best signings of the whole year. Wow.
Sourced
|
If Evans can get healthy, and play healthy, it'll be great. Reggie just eats boards for breakfast. He is a bit of a moron though, and has a hard time defending intelligence, so I have a hard time saying best signing of the year, when the same team got a 14million Chauncey for 3. :p
|
Right right, Chauncey. I got a little carried away but veteran's minimum for an above average player? Whew. All he's eating is a roster spot, basically. There's so much hustle on this team right now, it's the best.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
