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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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tiffany
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Itll be sad when they chew him up and spit him out because of his low ceiling that will be on every decent teams scouting report. He really can be a serviceable player in the NBA. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On February 09 2012 14:57 Holcan wrote: You guys are all bringing up these asian stereotypes as if those are the main reason Lin is getting hyped up, the main reason he is getting hyped is because he plays guard for the knicks. Itll be sad when they chew him up and spit him out because of his low ceiling that will be on every decent teams scouting report. He really can be a serviceable player in the NBA. Agreed. The Knicks either because they're from New York or because they are just a notoriously bad ball club are quick to hype up anything positive about them in a given season. Lin has been playing pretty well though I have to admit. Worth the hype? No. But definitely worth some attention. | ||
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tiffany
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On February 09 2012 14:57 Holcan wrote: You guys are all bringing up these asian stereotypes as if those are the main reason Lin is getting hyped up, the main reason he is getting hyped is because he plays guard for the knicks. Itll be sad when they chew him up and spit him out because of his low ceiling that will be on every decent teams scouting report. He really can be a serviceable player in the NBA. If you really think about it the Dubs/Knicks traded backup pgs via the waiver wire (and a few trades for Robinson). IF Lin starts the rest of the year (which I doubt he will do once Baron McFats returns) he'll regress to the mean and be... average I think. | ||
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tiffany
3664 Posts
On February 09 2012 14:57 Holcan wrote: You guys are all bringing up these asian stereotypes as if those are the main reason Lin is getting hyped up, the main reason he is getting hyped is because he plays guard for the knicks. Itll be sad when they chew him up and spit him out because of his low ceiling that will be on every decent teams scouting report. He really can be a serviceable player in the NBA. he's getting hyped up because he plays in d'antoni's open system and there's no melo to dominate the ball. we'll see what happens if/when d'antoni gets canned and/or melo returns | ||
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buickskylark
Canada664 Posts
i'm watching the jazz and wizards game and lin is weak off his left, mainly driving from the right. once teams learn to clog the right he's a non factor. and he's not exactly a perimeter threat. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
On February 09 2012 11:35 RowdierBob wrote: It'll be interesting to see if they make any moves before the deadline to replace him. If they're serious about making a run this year I think they need to. Depends who's available though I guess and what assets they're willing to part with. Yeah... you forget also that it depends on whether Stern wants to make his "help the small market teams with this CBA" plan keep on going... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1053431-commissioner-or-architect-is-david-stern-the-clippers-daddy-warbucks | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On February 09 2012 15:09 buickskylark wrote: ^those are like 2 days too old. i'm watching the jazz and wizards game and lin is weak off his left, mainly driving from the right. once teams learn to clog the right he's a non factor. and he's not exactly a perimeter threat. This is a real possibility. But this is what people have been saying since his first breakout performance vs the Nets. And I'm sure all the teams went into this knowing that... and look what happened when Wall just assumed he was going right: He's still young and he'll continue to develop. He may not be some superstar, but he's definitely not the scrub everybody made him out to be. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On February 09 2012 15:34 zulu_nation8 wrote: Looking forward to the game on Friday though, to imagine actually getting excited about a Knicks game as a Knicks fan, geez. yea it's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time since i've heard MSG this loud | ||
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buickskylark
Canada664 Posts
On February 09 2012 15:23 Klogon wrote: This is a real possibility. But this is what people have been saying since his first breakout performance vs the Nets. And I'm sure all the teams went into this knowing that... and look what happened when Wall just assumed he was going right: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiwSUxszuN0 He's still young and he'll continue to develop. He may not be some superstar, but he's definitely not the scrub everybody made him out to be. that was a clear path to the basket. I'd like to see him maneuver and keep his dribble with actual obstacles. Even I can do what he did (if I were that tall and could dunk(which I can't(but just say that I could))). My point was he makes like 96% of his plays from his right. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this on Friday. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On February 09 2012 13:38 RowdierBob wrote: I wonder how he'll fit into the rotation once Melo and Amare are back? I guess he'll have to slip back to third (or fourth?) option by default, but I wonder if their play style will change (i.e away from the high usage % Melo plays). Pick and roll with amare all day long :D (and a few melo isos to keep him happy) Lin has made several layups left-handed and switched hands while driving to the basket a a couple of times. Of course his left hand is a little weaker but there are rarely any players who dont have that problem. He probably cant perform at this level for the whole season but his agressive play to the basket, his court vision and his pretty solid defense don't just go away. The things he can do can hardly be learned or acquired later whereas he can work on his perimeter shot and his left-handed ballhandling. He has what a good PG needs to start with and the other things he can improve on. Especially with D'Antoni as a coach. This gives hope for the future. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On February 09 2012 13:02 Klogon wrote: People know he went to Harvard. But why did he go to Harvard? He was rated the #1 high school player in California, and was the first #1 from California in history not to get a Div 1 scholarship. Why? Probably because he's Asian. Harvard was the only D1 school that gave him a spot, so he went there. And while he was there, in his senior year, he put up amazing numbers against great college teams like UConn, BC, Georgetown, etc. He was the finalist for the best point gaurd award for college. And he still went undrafted. Let's do this again: why? Probably because he's Asian. Only when he smoked #1 draft pick John Wall during a pre-season shoot around where most of the world tuned in to try to see what this John Wall was made up, they actually got a look at Jeremy Lin schooling him. So Lin finally got an NBA contract, only to have doubters doubt him AGAIN. He got very limited playing time in his first season with the Warriors. Like two weeks before the current NBA season started, he got cut. Then Houston picked him up. Then the DAY BEFORE the season started, he got cut again! He was fortunate New York needed a PG at all, and he managed to squeeze on the roster and never get any playing time. Every step of the way, he had to prove more than the black/white guys have to prove, just because he's Asian. And he's not even small for his position. In fact, he's bigger and faster than most guys who play his position, but he is labeled as not an athlete. In fact, most commentators would point out his lack of athleticism as that is what people just assumed. The fact he put up such great numbers (in fact, All Star numbers) when he finally got legitimate minutes shows that he had at least NBA caliber play in him. If he did not have that, he probably would have been cut on Friday on Feb 10th. Friday was his deadline. And he pulled out three All-Star performances to save his job, as well as the Knicks coaches. And all without the stars on his team. And he's been sleeping on his brother's or his teammate's couch in NYC this entire time. Now that his NBA future is secure, he'll finally get his own place. From sleeping on a couch to being the hero of New York in a week. Zero to hero. How can you not root for this guy? I'll be somewhat contrarian about this: I don't see why a rookie getting limited minutes and getting cut is anything personal, unless you have Rondo level talent. Patrick Ewing Jr. got cut from the Knicks, and that's as close to silver spoon status as you can get. Adam Morrison, a #2 pick, is out of the league, and he was supposed to be some real big shot college player. Hasheem Thabeet seems headed there, and they're only keeping him because they're gambling he might develop basketball skills alongside his athleticism. Most of the non high picks had it tough getting to college. There are tons of hoop dreams type stories of single mothers raising their kid in some ghetto, and the Ron Artests end up telling story of these talented players that ended up in jail or dead. A highly touted girl's prep basketball player was shot to death in a New York apartment building early Sunday morning. Tayshana Murphy, 18, was shot in the head by a gunman in a hallway of her home, a housing project in Harlem's Morningside Heights neighborhood. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7236488/the-murder-tayshana-murphy Even a lot of stars in college don't make it. Some that stay with the game end up in d-league, or in Europe, or other international ball. And a lot of the ones that make it end up as role players or 3rd string bench warmers, starring only in the latest edition of "Who he play for?" Unless you're a superstar, I don't think anyone has it easy and has nothing to prove (although there are some lazy, out of shape ones). Most of them deserve more than we give them, and I don't see why Lin's ordeals raise it to another, Jackie Robinson level (it would be interesting to compare this with other pioneers). If I knew him and his work routine, I probably be routing for him personally. But I'm not, so... I'm happy there's a system that greatly benefits from his skills. If he can keep improving so he can make the leap, then I'll be happy for him just like any other player (though perhaps a little more intrigued). If he becomes a star, then hopefully he'll entertain me and others on a nightly basis. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Oscar Robertson believed that the stars from that playground, amateur era of basketball would beat the '92 Dream Team. Link Excerpts on some of the dumb shit this old ass dude said: Robertson on the Heat’s title chances: “I want LeBron to win. It felt like the whole country was against him last year. But I’ve always said this: To win championships, you need to have a center who can get you 12 points, 10 rebounds. The Heat don’t have that.” That is possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever read. And I've read a lot of things on insidehoops and realgm. On the quality of play in today’s NBA: “I think the athletes have gotten better, but that doesn’t make you a better basketball player. The only play most teams run is the high pick with the center. Is that really basketball? There are no reverses, no backdoors, double-screens, weakside cuts from the strong side. They don’t have any of that anymore.” I'm pretty sure he's just being blind now. For one most teams run high PnR with Power Forwards so they can pick n pop, and 2 everyone has an offense with backdoor cuts. That's the whole fucking point of half the shooting guards in the league. Boston and Dallas run so many screens to get shooters open because it's pretty much the only way, and...fuck it. Moving on to why I posted this. On the celebrated 1992 Dream Team, which won gold at the Barcelona Olympics: “If we would have put myself and Jerry [West] in the backcourt, with Wilt [Chamberlain] and Bill [Russell] inside with Elgin Baylor, they never would have beat us. How could they?” This guy is out of his fucking mind. They would get scrubbed off the fucking court no matter what set of rules they were using. The ONLY team that can touch the 92 team would be the 2008 with Wade/Lebron/Kobe. Hell, that team might end up annihilating the 92 Dream Team. | ||
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