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Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

October 08 2013 14:40 GMT

#1961

You can transmog any item that is "green" or higher. (But not legendary). So if all those items you just said are Green (uncommon) then you will be able to transmog them xD

Warri

Germany3208 Posts

October 08 2013 14:49 GMT

#1962

On October 08 2013 21:30 DCRed wrote:

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TBC was so different game than what it is now, LK had limited attemps. Ragnaros took over 500 pull from Paragon who killed it first before anyone else in few weeks. They killed Garrosh few days ago and that required 638 pulls and they had to one to heal it, Method killed it in +200 something in 25man. Raiding is more complex(and better) than ever, most bosses are the pretty much the same in 25 or 10man but every now and then we get bosses which are much more harder or easier depending which one you're doing.

Every tier has it's the definite harder ones, from the current one example Blackfuse(kinda like new Mimiron) and Paragons of the Klaxxi stand out easily.

Also Leishen required some 300 pulls and is an awesome fight in general. Leishen alone probably has more mechanics than all of MC combined.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 08 2013 15:11 GMT

#1963

On October 08 2013 23:40 Pandemona wrote:
You can transmog any item that is "green" or higher. (But not legendary). So if all those items you just said are Green (uncommon) then you will be able to transmog them xD

Indeed they are ! they are even blues

I'm going to look so awesome !!! Espacially since i have a blue fishcatcher :p

Vindicare605

United States16118 Posts

October 08 2013 16:02 GMT

#1964

It's a bit tricky with weapons sometimes, not every weapon works. If in doubt google some of the specific silly weapons to see if it works.

kaos00

United States125 Posts

October 09 2013 04:10 GMT

#1965

Can I ask for a ressurection here? I read that it gives you a level 80 character???

Miau - Tichondrius (NA)

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

October 09 2013 07:42 GMT

#1966

Just need to state whether your account is on NA or EU then im sure you will get emailed spammed

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 09 2013 08:23 GMT

#1967

On October 09 2013 13:10 kaos00 wrote:
Can I ask for a ressurection here? I read that it gives you a level 80 character???

Miau - Tichondrius (NA)

Oh sorry didn't read your edit. I'm on EU

You get a free 80character and a transfer along with upgrade to cata free

On October 09 2013 01:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
It's a bit tricky with weapons sometimes, not every weapon works. If in doubt google some of the specific silly weapons to see if it works.

Forgot to see this yesterday

Will do when i can !

Bluelightz

Indonesia2463 Posts

October 09 2013 10:36 GMT

#1968

2 weeks of forum going (aka checking the "I want a SoR" thread in the newbies section) has netted me a Spectral GRYPHON! (Yeah still alliance. ^^) Now I don't need to buy a flying mount for my future DK (only 7 levels more....)

Bashnek

Australia895 Posts

October 09 2013 14:34 GMT

#1969

On October 09 2013 19:36 Bluelightz wrote:
2 weeks of forum going (aka checking the "I want a SoR" thread in the newbies section) has netted me a Spectral GRYPHON! (Yeah still alliance. ^^) Now I don't need to buy a flying mount for my future DK (only 7 levels more....)

Grats! wb

apparently next patch is gonna have a big update to the SoR/RaF (apparently instead of a set mount you'll get a token to choose one of many)

Did anyone else notice you can buy "limited game time" via bnet now?

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 09 2013 14:48 GMT

#1970

On October 09 2013 23:34 Bashnek wrote:

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What do you mean by limited game time ?

EDIT :

To EU people intersted. I am doing a dungeons evening (hopefully) with a co-worker.
We will try to do (from 7pm to maybe ... 10:30)

- Red monastery
- BRD
- MC
- BWL (we may skip that)
- Kraal Razorfen,
- huh... Gutter-Axe ? in Feralas ?
- AQ 20
- AQ 40

I don't think we are actually going to do half of this but that's the goal

You can PM me if you want to come for achievements

Bashnek

Australia895 Posts

October 09 2013 14:53 GMT

#1971

On October 09 2013 23:48 FFW_Rude wrote:

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What do you mean by limited game time ?

like instead of a recurring subscription, you can buy 30, 90 or 180 days of game time. essentially the same as a sub except it doesnt renew automatically.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 09 2013 14:56 GMT

#1972

On October 09 2013 23:53 Bashnek wrote:

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like instead of a recurring subscription, you can buy 30, 90 or 180 days of game time. essentially the same as a sub except it doesnt renew automatically.

Oh yeah i saw that. Thought it wasn't new.

Bashnek

Australia895 Posts

October 09 2013 14:57 GMT

#1973

On October 09 2013 23:56 FFW_Rude wrote:

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Oh yeah i saw that. Thought it wasn't new.

oh i hadnt seen it. maybe it isnt haha.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 09 2013 15:05 GMT

#1974

On October 09 2013 23:57 Bashnek wrote:

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oh i hadnt seen it. maybe it isnt haha.

Or maybe it is !

(yeah we are doing quality post. Please don't report me :p)

HackBenjamin

Canada1094 Posts

October 09 2013 15:08 GMT

#1975

I unsubscribed just after Firelands dailies came out, and resubscribed about 2 weeks before 5.4. I was absolutely uninterested in Pandaren and what I perceived to be a pointless expansion for a dumbed down game.

I couldn't have been more wrong. The leveling experience from 85-90 was awesome, the storyline was fun, there is a ton of fun stuff to do everywhere, and now we get to kill Garrosh. I wish I had stuck it out because I feel like I missed out on all the cool Wrathion stuff from 5.1 forward.

Having a lot of fun with it

Rhoark - 90 Shaman, Lightninghoof

Duka08

3391 Posts

October 09 2013 15:12 GMT

#1976

On October 09 2013 23:48 FFW_Rude wrote:

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You can PM me if you want to come for achievements

Instance in Feralas is called Dire Maul in English by the way

I haven't been in there in aaaaages.

Started leveling one of my DKs from 85 yesterday and did some LFGs because I enjoy them on the 85-90 grind. Forgot how much fun DK tanking is. I've done a small bit on my warrior lately, but I never loved warrior tanking.

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

October 09 2013 15:20 GMT

#1977

On October 10 2013 00:12 Duka08 wrote:

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Instance in Feralas is called Dire Maul in English by the way

Dire Maul ok

I hate class like DK and Warriors. I prefer mana downing over rage upping (don't know why). i don't like LFG because i did not play for a long time and i get insults very often (i'm the healer....). When you have 4players hitting different mobs and you heal like a madman, got no mana in the end. All group whipe and... it's the healer fault...

I just like old instances because i can play solo

kaos00

United States125 Posts

October 09 2013 16:25 GMT

#1978

Hey! There's some activity from NA finally...

I could use a scroll. (:

Miau - Tichondrius (US)

AleKSei23

Mexico75 Posts

October 09 2013 16:50 GMT

#1979

I am starting a new account with a new character, whats the fastest leveling class?

Agh

United States1037 Posts

October 09 2013 16:50 GMT

#1980

On October 07 2013 15:20 akatama wrote:

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On October 07 2013 14:48 Agh wrote:

On October 05 2013 02:49 Ethelis wrote:

No, I don't really get what you mean to be honest. Hasn't it always been this way since I started raiding back in BC? Badge gear as a catch up? Wrath, too? Cata had crafted gear and reputation gear. Mists has crafted, *used to have) reputation up until 5.4, Timeless, valor gear, etc. The most you can really tell about a player anymore based on their gear is how they treat it. Do they gem/enchant it? Is it reforged? Are they meeting their hit / expertise minimums? Is it valor-upgraded? Gear itself outside of the latest/greatest raid gear tells a very short story.

Maybe there's a disconnect here because I don't look at someone's gear to judge them anymore, on account of not having to manually put raids together anymore. The only time I'll inspect someone is if they're fucking up big time or they're doing an impressive enough job that it makes me curious. Healers pulling off sick plays with what I would consider low amounts of health [in an age where the stamina is decided by item level, pretty easy to "feel out" when someone is more or less geared up than you], that's an inspectin'.

I could look at someone in a full set of current tier SoO normal gear today and be like, that's a dedicated raider. Eight weeks from now? How would I know the difference between a dedicated raider and someone who is just persistent enough to put up with pick-up groups? Would it even matter? There's more to a player's story than the armor they wear, I don't think it even begins to tell me much about the player if isn't up to date.

If you looked at my Death Knight when ToT was the current content, you would have rejected him straight away based on his gear I'd bet. That's the same DK topping the damage meter on Lei Shen not because his gear is good, but because he's following the mechanics and killing the Sparks, etc when barely anybody else is. You can't tell I follow the mechanics when my item level is upgraded gear from heroics and a smattering of valor gear. That's the life of a true casual player from my point of view at this point. There is too much content between Heroic Dungeons [463+] and Heroic Raiding [566+] to tell any semblance of a story about a player based on what they are wearing.

So how do you see it?

the tl;dr version is that gear has lost its meaningfulness because it is just handed out now. (You can afk/autofollow through a LFG raid and still get loot)

as far as BC was concerned, badge gear was only a viable catch up towards the very end (later patch). Even then, that gear was significantly below the current raid tier gear. So you got that gear to allow you to enter the previous tier, then progress from there to the current tier.
This (imo, at least), was a good model.

It's easier to see who is progressed and putting in the effort when there is a larger gap.

The decrease of this gap (from the implementation in BC to where pandas is at now) is what most people are upset about.

However, if you look at it through the eyes of a veteran(progressed player, pseudo-elitest), nothing has changed because if you aren't wearing the final contents gear (or for now you could say Heroic version of that gear), you're generally considered 'bad'.

The gap is still large now. You have 4 different tiers of ilvl(LFR, Flex, Normal and Heroic), that is about 52 ilvls difference before you count he XYZ-forged mess. If you are looking for meaningful gear, search for the "heroic" tag on items (add "XYZ-forged" if you absolutely love RNG).

Quick comaprison with the end of TBC: + Show Spoiler +

Badge stuff has 141 ilvl (146 for weapons);
Sunwell stuff has 154, 159, 164 ilvl;
Hyjal and BT stuff has 141 ilvl (with 151 dropping off Illidan).

Overall a 23 ilvl difference between Badge gear and Sunwell drops.

Now you have:
Heroic ToT and Burden of Eternity gear is 535;
LFR SoO is 528;
Flex SoO is 540;
Normal SoO is 553;
Heroic SoO is 566;

Overall a 31 ilvl difference between Burden gear and HSoO (without counting upgrading or Warforged items).

Considering ilvl scales exponentially, the relative increase in power should be bigger. Also take into account very good Burden gear is really hard to acquire thanks to randomness.

Edit: I'd also say that raiding is harder now because not only do you need to watch out for various encounter abilities, but rotations have become much, much more complex. Even a MoP Destro Warlock (a rotation I consider very easy) is still harder than any rotation in TBC.

Gap size shouldn't mean anything. It's relevant to the current content.

A smaller curve/increase should allow the encounter to be tuned more tightly, which is arguably better in the long run.
(Also it's why the devs have stated that they are favoring the 'item squish' to get the numbers more in line)

On October 05 2013 02:49 Warri wrote:
Your post is both ignorant and uninformed.
No, gear has not lost its meaningfulness. As stated a few posts above, the gap between LFR and Heroic is HUGE.
A few more examples: previous tier, ToT was 502(i think) LFR, 522 normal, 535 heroic. Current tier is 528 LFR, 540 flex, 553 normal 566 heroic. On top of that, normal and hc items have a chance to be "xxxforged" when they drop, increasing their ilvl by 6. So LFR is always worse than previous tiers hc gear.
On top of that, you can judge how well one cares about his gear by his upgrades (250 vp per upgrade, 2 upgrades per item), enchants and correct reforging.

I believe the word you are looking for is arrogant, which I won't refute that somebody reading my post could draw that conclusion.
Take in mind my views are from the lens of being in a top10 world guild in TBC(also promoted to GM at the end). (Most of my old core that didn't quit the game is with BL (ataxus, bobina, jacktronic some players just off the top of my head)

Aside from my response above this, the point I was trying to make is that the abundance of gear available makes it more meaningless, not saying it carries no meaning at all.

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