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On October 10 2013 01:25 kaos00 wrote:
Hey! There's some activity from NA finally...
I could use a scroll. (:
Miau - Tichondrius (US)
Sent!
Personally i didnt much like pandaria questing, i went from 88-90 doing archaeology, but the expansion added alot of really neat stuff, im glad i came back for 5.4.
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On October 10 2013 01:25 kaos00 wrote:
Hey! There's some activity from NA finally...
I could use a scroll. (:
Miau - Tichondrius (US)
Sent you one
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On October 10 2013 01:54 Bashnek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 01:25 kaos00 wrote:
Hey! There's some activity from NA finally...
I could use a scroll. (:
Miau - Tichondrius (US) Sent! Personally i didnt much like pandaria questing, i went from 88-90 doing archaeology, but the expansion added alot of really neat stuff, im glad i came back for 5.4.
Yay TL!!
Someone from B.net forums said they sent me one a day ago and I kept checking every hour or so but he failed.
It took yours 2 minutes. Thanks.
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On October 10 2013 01:50 Agh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 15:20 akatama wrote:On October 07 2013 14:48 Agh wrote:On October 05 2013 02:49 Ethelis wrote:
No, I don't really get what you mean to be honest. Hasn't it always been this way since I started raiding back in BC? Badge gear as a catch up? Wrath, too? Cata had crafted gear and reputation gear. Mists has crafted, *used to have) reputation up until 5.4, Timeless, valor gear, etc. The most you can really tell about a player anymore based on their gear is how they treat it. Do they gem/enchant it? Is it reforged? Are they meeting their hit / expertise minimums? Is it valor-upgraded? Gear itself outside of the latest/greatest raid gear tells a very short story.
Maybe there's a disconnect here because I don't look at someone's gear to judge them anymore, on account of not having to manually put raids together anymore. The only time I'll inspect someone is if they're fucking up big time or they're doing an impressive enough job that it makes me curious. Healers pulling off sick plays with what I would consider low amounts of health [in an age where the stamina is decided by item level, pretty easy to "feel out" when someone is more or less geared up than you], that's an inspectin'.
I could look at someone in a full set of current tier SoO normal gear today and be like, that's a dedicated raider. Eight weeks from now? How would I know the difference between a dedicated raider and someone who is just persistent enough to put up with pick-up groups? Would it even matter? There's more to a player's story than the armor they wear, I don't think it even begins to tell me much about the player if isn't up to date.
If you looked at my Death Knight when ToT was the current content, you would have rejected him straight away based on his gear I'd bet. That's the same DK topping the damage meter on Lei Shen not because his gear is good, but because he's following the mechanics and killing the Sparks, etc when barely anybody else is. You can't tell I follow the mechanics when my item level is upgraded gear from heroics and a smattering of valor gear. That's the life of a true casual player from my point of view at this point. There is too much content between Heroic Dungeons [463+] and Heroic Raiding [566+] to tell any semblance of a story about a player based on what they are wearing.
So how do you see it? the tl;dr version is that gear has lost its meaningfulness because it is just handed out now. (You can afk/autofollow through a LFG raid and still get loot) as far as BC was concerned, badge gear was only a viable catch up towards the very end (later patch). Even then, that gear was significantly below the current raid tier gear. So you got that gear to allow you to enter the previous tier, then progress from there to the current tier. This (imo, at least), was a good model. It's easier to see who is progressed and putting in the effort when there is a larger gap. The decrease of this gap (from the implementation in BC to where pandas is at now) is what most people are upset about. However, if you look at it through the eyes of a veteran(progressed player, pseudo-elitest), nothing has changed because if you aren't wearing the final contents gear (or for now you could say Heroic version of that gear), you're generally considered 'bad'. The gap is still large now. You have 4 different tiers of ilvl(LFR, Flex, Normal and Heroic), that is about 52 ilvls difference before you count he XYZ-forged mess. If you are looking for meaningful gear, search for the "heroic" tag on items (add "XYZ-forged" if you absolutely love RNG). Quick comaprison with the end of TBC: + Show Spoiler +
Badge stuff has 141 ilvl (146 for weapons);
Sunwell stuff has 154, 159, 164 ilvl;
Hyjal and BT stuff has 141 ilvl (with 151 dropping off Illidan).
Overall a 23 ilvl difference between Badge gear and Sunwell drops.
Now you have:
Heroic ToT and Burden of Eternity gear is 535;
LFR SoO is 528;
Flex SoO is 540;
Normal SoO is 553;
Heroic SoO is 566;
Overall a 31 ilvl difference between Burden gear and HSoO (without counting upgrading or Warforged items).
Considering ilvl scales exponentially, the relative increase in power should be bigger. Also take into account very good Burden gear is really hard to acquire thanks to randomness.
Edit: I'd also say that raiding is harder now because not only do you need to watch out for various encounter abilities, but rotations have become much, much more complex. Even a MoP Destro Warlock (a rotation I consider very easy) is still harder than any rotation in TBC. Gap size shouldn't mean anything. It's relevant to the current content. A smaller curve/increase should allow the encounter to be tuned more tightly, which is arguably better in the long run. (Also it's why the devs have stated that they are favoring the 'item squish' to get the numbers more in line) Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 02:49 Ethelis wrote:
Your post is both ignorant and uninformed.
No, gear has not lost its meaningfulness. As stated a few posts above, the gap between LFR and Heroic is HUGE.
A few more examples: previous tier, ToT was 502(i think) LFR, 522 normal, 535 heroic. Current tier is 528 LFR, 540 flex, 553 normal 566 heroic. On top of that, normal and hc items have a chance to be "xxxforged" when they drop, increasing their ilvl by 6. So LFR is always worse than previous tiers hc gear.
On top of that, you can judge how well one cares about his gear by his upgrades (250 vp per upgrade, 2 upgrades per item), enchants and correct reforging. I believe the word you are looking for is arrogant, which I won't refute that somebody reading my post could draw that conclusion. Take in mind my views are from the lens of being in a top10 world guild in TBC(also promoted to GM at the end). (Most of my old core that didn't quit the game is with BL (ataxus, bobina, jacktronic some players just off the top of my head) Aside from my response above this, the point I was trying to make is that the abundance of gear available makes it more meaningless, not saying it carries no meaning at all.
Woah why is my name quoted in there when i didn't write that. People need to be careful with their quoting+editing.
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So I just got resurrected(!) and a nice new level 80 Warrior but I'm going to go back to my 70 Mage to solo level Northrend.
What are the essential(and minimum) Mage and questing addons?
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You don't really need any questing addons.
The only one that might be helpful is Tomtom if for some reason you can't find the location of something so you can look up the coordinates on Wowhead and set a destination.
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On October 10 2013 02:10 Ethelis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 01:50 Agh wrote:On October 07 2013 15:20 akatama wrote:On October 07 2013 14:48 Agh wrote:On October 05 2013 02:49 Ethelis wrote:
No, I don't really get what you mean to be honest. Hasn't it always been this way since I started raiding back in BC? Badge gear as a catch up? Wrath, too? Cata had crafted gear and reputation gear. Mists has crafted, *used to have) reputation up until 5.4, Timeless, valor gear, etc. The most you can really tell about a player anymore based on their gear is how they treat it. Do they gem/enchant it? Is it reforged? Are they meeting their hit / expertise minimums? Is it valor-upgraded? Gear itself outside of the latest/greatest raid gear tells a very short story.
Maybe there's a disconnect here because I don't look at someone's gear to judge them anymore, on account of not having to manually put raids together anymore. The only time I'll inspect someone is if they're fucking up big time or they're doing an impressive enough job that it makes me curious. Healers pulling off sick plays with what I would consider low amounts of health [in an age where the stamina is decided by item level, pretty easy to "feel out" when someone is more or less geared up than you], that's an inspectin'.
I could look at someone in a full set of current tier SoO normal gear today and be like, that's a dedicated raider. Eight weeks from now? How would I know the difference between a dedicated raider and someone who is just persistent enough to put up with pick-up groups? Would it even matter? There's more to a player's story than the armor they wear, I don't think it even begins to tell me much about the player if isn't up to date.
If you looked at my Death Knight when ToT was the current content, you would have rejected him straight away based on his gear I'd bet. That's the same DK topping the damage meter on Lei Shen not because his gear is good, but because he's following the mechanics and killing the Sparks, etc when barely anybody else is. You can't tell I follow the mechanics when my item level is upgraded gear from heroics and a smattering of valor gear. That's the life of a true casual player from my point of view at this point. There is too much content between Heroic Dungeons [463+] and Heroic Raiding [566+] to tell any semblance of a story about a player based on what they are wearing.
So how do you see it? the tl;dr version is that gear has lost its meaningfulness because it is just handed out now. (You can afk/autofollow through a LFG raid and still get loot) as far as BC was concerned, badge gear was only a viable catch up towards the very end (later patch). Even then, that gear was significantly below the current raid tier gear. So you got that gear to allow you to enter the previous tier, then progress from there to the current tier. This (imo, at least), was a good model. It's easier to see who is progressed and putting in the effort when there is a larger gap. The decrease of this gap (from the implementation in BC to where pandas is at now) is what most people are upset about. However, if you look at it through the eyes of a veteran(progressed player, pseudo-elitest), nothing has changed because if you aren't wearing the final contents gear (or for now you could say Heroic version of that gear), you're generally considered 'bad'. The gap is still large now. You have 4 different tiers of ilvl(LFR, Flex, Normal and Heroic), that is about 52 ilvls difference before you count he XYZ-forged mess. If you are looking for meaningful gear, search for the "heroic" tag on items (add "XYZ-forged" if you absolutely love RNG). Quick comaprison with the end of TBC: + Show Spoiler +
Badge stuff has 141 ilvl (146 for weapons);
Sunwell stuff has 154, 159, 164 ilvl;
Hyjal and BT stuff has 141 ilvl (with 151 dropping off Illidan).
Overall a 23 ilvl difference between Badge gear and Sunwell drops.
Now you have:
Heroic ToT and Burden of Eternity gear is 535;
LFR SoO is 528;
Flex SoO is 540;
Normal SoO is 553;
Heroic SoO is 566;
Overall a 31 ilvl difference between Burden gear and HSoO (without counting upgrading or Warforged items).
Considering ilvl scales exponentially, the relative increase in power should be bigger. Also take into account very good Burden gear is really hard to acquire thanks to randomness.
Edit: I'd also say that raiding is harder now because not only do you need to watch out for various encounter abilities, but rotations have become much, much more complex. Even a MoP Destro Warlock (a rotation I consider very easy) is still harder than any rotation in TBC. Gap size shouldn't mean anything. It's relevant to the current content. A smaller curve/increase should allow the encounter to be tuned more tightly, which is arguably better in the long run. (Also it's why the devs have stated that they are favoring the 'item squish' to get the numbers more in line) On October 05 2013 02:49 Warri wrote:
Your post is both ignorant and uninformed.
No, gear has not lost its meaningfulness. As stated a few posts above, the gap between LFR and Heroic is HUGE.
A few more examples: previous tier, ToT was 502(i think) LFR, 522 normal, 535 heroic. Current tier is 528 LFR, 540 flex, 553 normal 566 heroic. On top of that, normal and hc items have a chance to be "xxxforged" when they drop, increasing their ilvl by 6. So LFR is always worse than previous tiers hc gear.
On top of that, you can judge how well one cares about his gear by his upgrades (250 vp per upgrade, 2 upgrades per item), enchants and correct reforging. I believe the word you are looking for is arrogant, which I won't refute that somebody reading my post could draw that conclusion. Take in mind my views are from the lens of being in a top10 world guild in TBC(also promoted to GM at the end). (Most of my old core that didn't quit the game is with BL (ataxus, bobina, jacktronic some players just off the top of my head) Aside from my response above this, the point I was trying to make is that the abundance of gear available makes it more meaningless, not saying it carries no meaning at all. Woah why is my name quoted in there when i didn't write that. People need to be careful with their quoting+editing.
Sorry, not sure how that even happened. Fixed.
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On October 10 2013 02:18 kaos00 wrote:
So I just got resurrected(!) and a nice new level 80 Warrior but I'm going to go back to my 70 Mage to solo level Northrend.
What are the essential(and minimum) Mage and questing addons?
In built quest helper now from wow shows you the area of mobs or a location area of where to search. Like said, maybe co ordinate addon for map so you can find specific stuff easier.
I play 90 mage as my main, the only addon i use is mage nuggets to keep me on top of rotation for fire in PvE but that isn't that needed. You can get some pretty neat UIs though xD
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On October 10 2013 02:18 kaos00 wrote:
So I just got resurrected(!) and a nice new level 80 Warrior but I'm going to go back to my 70 Mage to solo level Northrend.
What are the essential(and minimum) Mage and questing addons?
Use collector and rarity for mounts/pets, SilverDragon if you want to find rares for NF or ... huh... beyond the dark portal ?
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Can I send a scroll of resurrection if my account is inactive? If so, I have a few.
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On October 10 2013 17:24 Arnstein wrote:
Can I send a scroll of resurrection if my account is inactive? If so, I have a few.
I don't think so
Oh for people wanting to get AQ40 done. I did go yesterday with a co-worker. First boss is UNKILLABLE with 2 players. Because ... Mind control, kill the other player, reset. I had to kill it alone (no trouble in heal spec. Impossible in elem). Then we could do the instance.
So if you want to do it and you can't achieve it. Just do it solo for the first boss. also. He drops a pet :p
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So, what should I roll for my DK, Alliance or Horde?
Scratch that, going Alliance
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On October 10 2013 02:18 kaos00 wrote:
So I just got resurrected(!) and a nice new level 80 Warrior but I'm going to go back to my 70 Mage to solo level Northrend.
What are the essential(and minimum) Mage and questing addons?
I'd recommend Tomtom, Paste and a map addon. You might also want to use an auction addon so you can squeeze a little more profit out of the stuff you find/craft/gather. Aside that, read up on the rotation of the spec you want to play at 90, and if you aren't comfortable with it start getting used to an addon that helps you.
Ideally by the time you hit 90 you should know how to perform the basics of your spec blindfolded, so you can then focus on managing procs, cooldowns and boss abilities better.
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This is going to make me sound like a dick but that ships sailed a long time ago. If it takes you 20 lvls to learn a rotation then install a bc private server and play a destro lock to pve on.
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Hey,
I'm about to complete my first goal in WoW since i got back (wich was all achievements on classic dungeons).
My next goal would be to build the hand of ragnaros. Do people know a walkthrough ? Or a good guide ? I found a lot but there's not really orders to do things.
Is there other items that can be found/made that are still in activity ? (i'm refering to the black AQ mount that you can't obtain anymore). But sure there is old legendary useless stuff to collect right ?
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On October 11 2013 14:51 bo1b wrote:
This is going to make me sound like a dick but that ships sailed a long time ago. If it takes you 20 lvls to learn a rotation then install a bc private server and play a destro lock to pve on.
It does make you sound like a dick. It does 100% not matter what rotation you play until you hit 90, at which point you will really want to read up on stat priorities and how to play your spec. I recommend the ElitistJerks forums for that.
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On October 11 2013 22:23 nimbim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 14:51 bo1b wrote:
This is going to make me sound like a dick but that ships sailed a long time ago. If it takes you 20 lvls to learn a rotation then install a bc private server and play a destro lock to pve on. It does make you sound like a dick. It does 100% not matter what rotation you play until you hit 90, at which point you will really want to read up on stat priorities and how to play your spec. I recommend the ElitistJerks forums for that.
Well... That isn't going to end well ... Please refrain your aggressivity 
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Hey All!! anyone on here casual raiders??? I have just got all the gear I can get from LFR/Burdened timeless gear. I want to get into Flex raiding and I found out that you can flex raid with Friends on the same faction that are R ID friends so if any TL dudes that raid would like to doing some Flexing  go ahead and add me Toasty#1773
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We're now only 4 days away from the reveal of the next expansion. So excite!
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