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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Haha yeah, i am realizing monk is kinda weird as hell xD
Like you say your in a dungeon (level 70 one for example) your tank is average gear (15k hp) running around pulling big groups, and your just throwing out your dot heal (forget what it's called) and it just spikes for ridiculous amount and heals 3-4k every 2 seconds and passes over to anyone in a certain range. It just makes it so easy haha.
But when huge damage comes you target your tank who is tanking all the damage and you just channel away, but halfway through that channel a random dps gets taken down to half hp and you have to stop casting and re channel on him, but because he has half the hp of the tank it takes about 1.5seconds of channeling on him before he has full hp, so you have just wasted like 2 channels of heal for nothing >.<
Im guessing when gearing up in heorics this could be a mana issue xD
Oh well, i like them in pvp for all the stuff they can do. Ring Of Peace,Paralysis,Hamstring thing all good moves to have in PvP. Topped healing metres in both i did last night
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On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank.
why? i like healing.
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On April 30 2013 10:30 LaNague wrote:
so i tried monk, but i flat out hate the dps spec, so boring.
I like the tank gameplay, but the whole theme with throwing kegs is irritating.
Mistweaver is...well. It heals for a LOT, but you cant really react to damage, you have to allready have the mists on the target that take heavy ae damage. I dont know, i didnt like it that much.
Leveling a druid now, who are kind of behind a bit in healing, but by the time i catched up, who knows :D
I'm curious, what is it about windwalkers that you find boring?
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing.
Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well.
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I have it on good authority that boomkins are sleeper op in PvP, it's just that not many people play them...
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see.
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On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see.
Tend to disagree. Hell even hydra was playing Doomkin/Mage/Priest at god knows what rating yesterday. And the damage a boomkin does without actually casting is pretty insane.
Plus with Heart of the Wild (Think its that ability) they can heal like a resto druid for a small amount of time.
Resto's on the other hand i've no idea at all.
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On April 30 2013 21:00 Rixxe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see. Tend to disagree. Hell even hydra was playing Doomkin/Mage/Priest at god knows what rating yesterday. And the damage a boomkin does without actually casting is pretty insane. Plus with Heart of the Wild (Think its that ability) they can heal like a resto druid for a small amount of time. Resto's on the other hand i've no idea at all.
Do you play on Drak'thul by any chance?
On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see.
It's like Rixxe said, they do pretty obscene damage with instants. And then you get rooted in a solar beam, and when actually get to cast... oh boy.
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On April 26 2013 01:24 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:43 LaNague wrote:On April 25 2013 21:24 Pandemona wrote:On April 16 2013 01:03 LaNague wrote:
monk healing any good?
i have that little "play a healer in an mmo" itch again.
I tried Rift, but the engine is so freaking clunky, hard to enjoy.
Or Druid? Though i dont like the Moonkin form very much. I still haven't fathomed monk healing yet it confuses me....You can heal via dps'n it seems and using the free cast with heavy damage, but i have only leveled one up to 66 at the moment and have had 0 trouble in dungeons. Might be a different story when i get to heorics etc but i have no problems with them so far. Best Healers are; Priest Druid Paladin Shaman Monk IMO, but Priest is like miles ahead as the best class in Panda. DPS burst is fucking insane for PvP and DPS in general is competitive PVE, and the healing for both PVP and PVE is just stupidly good. i have looked at some statistics and it seems that holy priests and monks have the highest troughput on the raid in most cases. Especially discipline priests fall off quite hard once the damage gets really high and they cant "steal" all healing via shields. I have a 70 monk right now, ill level a priest second. Trying out the monk before i submit to Chakras :D Also, i agree that servers had better communities once there wasnt autogrouping, but being matched for dungeons and being able to start a dungeon within 5 minutes also has its upsides. Monks pretty much tank healers though. There aoe healing is limited to uplift and the totem thingy and throwing healing spheres everywhere xD But yeah play both and try the difference, the best way
On April 30 2013 10:30 LaNague wrote:
so i tried monk, but i flat out hate the dps spec, so boring.
I like the tank gameplay, but the whole theme with throwing kegs is irritating.
Mistweaver is...well. It heals for a LOT, but you cant really react to damage, you have to allready have the mists on the target that take heavy ae damage. I dont know, i didnt like it that much.
Leveling a druid now, who are kind of behind a bit in healing, but by the time i catched up, who knows :D
It seems like you two aren't making good use of Thunder Focus Tea in your Mistweaver healing. With proper usage of TFT on cooldown, you can keep Renewing Mists up on 10+ targets simultaneously easily. Especially if you have the T15 4pc.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:21 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:24 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 00:43 LaNague wrote:On April 25 2013 21:24 Pandemona wrote:On April 16 2013 01:03 LaNague wrote:
monk healing any good?
i have that little "play a healer in an mmo" itch again.
I tried Rift, but the engine is so freaking clunky, hard to enjoy.
Or Druid? Though i dont like the Moonkin form very much. I still haven't fathomed monk healing yet it confuses me....You can heal via dps'n it seems and using the free cast with heavy damage, but i have only leveled one up to 66 at the moment and have had 0 trouble in dungeons. Might be a different story when i get to heorics etc but i have no problems with them so far. Best Healers are; Priest Druid Paladin Shaman Monk IMO, but Priest is like miles ahead as the best class in Panda. DPS burst is fucking insane for PvP and DPS in general is competitive PVE, and the healing for both PVP and PVE is just stupidly good. i have looked at some statistics and it seems that holy priests and monks have the highest troughput on the raid in most cases. Especially discipline priests fall off quite hard once the damage gets really high and they cant "steal" all healing via shields. I have a 70 monk right now, ill level a priest second. Trying out the monk before i submit to Chakras :D Also, i agree that servers had better communities once there wasnt autogrouping, but being matched for dungeons and being able to start a dungeon within 5 minutes also has its upsides. Monks pretty much tank healers though. There aoe healing is limited to uplift and the totem thingy and throwing healing spheres everywhere xD But yeah play both and try the difference, the best way Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 10:30 LaNague wrote:
so i tried monk, but i flat out hate the dps spec, so boring.
I like the tank gameplay, but the whole theme with throwing kegs is irritating.
Mistweaver is...well. It heals for a LOT, but you cant really react to damage, you have to allready have the mists on the target that take heavy ae damage. I dont know, i didnt like it that much.
Leveling a druid now, who are kind of behind a bit in healing, but by the time i catched up, who knows :D It seems like you two aren't making good use of Thunder Focus Tea in your Mistweaver healing. With proper usage of TFT on cooldown, you can keep Renewing Mists up on 10+ targets simultaneously easily. Especially if you have the T15 4pc.
Yeah renewing mists is good, it heals like pro at low level. In dungeons u just put that on tank and it jumps to all nearby members and out heals most of the damage for tank and dps. But when your on boss and it gets spikey damage and you have 2 people falling down to half healthy and under, i find it hard to heal them both as you have to channel...and then stop channel at full hp and start on the other which i find a bit of a waste.
Oh i see, so you TFT into Uplift....to renew the ticks and heal everyone for stupid numbers...makes sense, i didn't know that so i will have to use that more so. xD
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On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well.
Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad.
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad.
From what i see on streams.
Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top
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On May 01 2013 02:54 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad. From what i see on streams. Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top
disc priests are like immortals currently in PvP... paragons of immortality imo. resto druids have always been one of the best PvP healers (well except for the season when DK's were removing DoT's without repercussions)
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On May 01 2013 02:54 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad. From what i see on streams. Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top
There have been plenty of resto druid teams floating around at the top of the ladder this season. Monks maybe less so but they're around. Paladins are the only healer that can't compete right now. Watch Sodah's stream sometime.
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On May 01 2013 02:21 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 01:24 Pandemona wrote:On April 26 2013 00:43 LaNague wrote:On April 25 2013 21:24 Pandemona wrote:On April 16 2013 01:03 LaNague wrote:
monk healing any good?
i have that little "play a healer in an mmo" itch again.
I tried Rift, but the engine is so freaking clunky, hard to enjoy.
Or Druid? Though i dont like the Moonkin form very much. I still haven't fathomed monk healing yet it confuses me....You can heal via dps'n it seems and using the free cast with heavy damage, but i have only leveled one up to 66 at the moment and have had 0 trouble in dungeons. Might be a different story when i get to heorics etc but i have no problems with them so far. Best Healers are; Priest Druid Paladin Shaman Monk IMO, but Priest is like miles ahead as the best class in Panda. DPS burst is fucking insane for PvP and DPS in general is competitive PVE, and the healing for both PVP and PVE is just stupidly good. i have looked at some statistics and it seems that holy priests and monks have the highest troughput on the raid in most cases. Especially discipline priests fall off quite hard once the damage gets really high and they cant "steal" all healing via shields. I have a 70 monk right now, ill level a priest second. Trying out the monk before i submit to Chakras :D Also, i agree that servers had better communities once there wasnt autogrouping, but being matched for dungeons and being able to start a dungeon within 5 minutes also has its upsides. Monks pretty much tank healers though. There aoe healing is limited to uplift and the totem thingy and throwing healing spheres everywhere xD But yeah play both and try the difference, the best way Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 10:30 LaNague wrote:
so i tried monk, but i flat out hate the dps spec, so boring.
I like the tank gameplay, but the whole theme with throwing kegs is irritating.
Mistweaver is...well. It heals for a LOT, but you cant really react to damage, you have to allready have the mists on the target that take heavy ae damage. I dont know, i didnt like it that much.
Leveling a druid now, who are kind of behind a bit in healing, but by the time i catched up, who knows :D It seems like you two aren't making good use of Thunder Focus Tea in your Mistweaver healing. With proper usage of TFT on cooldown, you can keep Renewing Mists up on 10+ targets simultaneously easily. Especially if you have the T15 4pc.
yeah i tried it again after i made Grid display the duration of renewing mist, i like it better now that i played a bit with it.
Plus i got some gear, so i can actually cast renewing mist i fights and not run out of mana.
Lucky for me, i dont care about the pvp stuff, i rather play a dota style game for that :D
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On May 01 2013 03:07 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:54 Pandemona wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad. From what i see on streams. Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top There have been plenty of resto druid teams floating around at the top of the ladder this season. Monks maybe less so but they're around. Paladins are the only healer that can't compete right now. Watch Sodah's stream sometime.
I dooo xD I don't see him team with any Restos? xD
But ok ok i take your view, i don't watch the ladders extensively XD
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On May 01 2013 03:33 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:07 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 02:54 Pandemona wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad. From what i see on streams. Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top There have been plenty of resto druid teams floating around at the top of the ladder this season. Monks maybe less so but they're around. Paladins are the only healer that can't compete right now. Watch Sodah's stream sometime. I dooo xD I don't see him team with any Restos? xD But ok ok i take your view, i don't watch the ladders extensively XD
Maybe you're confusing Sodah with Sodapoppin. I'm talking about Sodah, who plays resto druid and priest.
http://www.twitch.tv/sodez (not live now)
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Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
On May 01 2013 03:54 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 03:33 Pandemona wrote:On May 01 2013 03:07 Rostam wrote:On May 01 2013 02:54 Pandemona wrote:On May 01 2013 02:45 Rostam wrote:On April 30 2013 20:47 Pandemona wrote:On April 30 2013 20:23 LaNague wrote:On April 30 2013 16:02 ffswowsucks wrote:
if you are gonna play a dudu, dont make the same mistake I did and go 90 and play as resto/balance. Play it as feral/tank. why? i like healing. Well i think he speaks more on a PvP basis. Druids as resto and boomkin as are pretty poor in PvP! PVE wise the healing is shit, but it's not the best as previously stated in the thread. Boomkin is good dps though, and the burst is pretty nice. Always do well. Resto druids are really good in PvP. Probably 2nd best healer overall after shaman right now. Not sure why you would think they're bad. From what i see on streams. Priest & Shaman are like the only viable high level healers imo. The rest are to weak. Palas to weak, Druids to weak and Monks don't seem to cut it either. Just what i see, i haven't seen a pro WoW tourney in a while though will have to watch out for one and check what is being played the most. But from what i seen if you don't have a Shaman or Priest in your 3s team you won't get to the top There have been plenty of resto druid teams floating around at the top of the ladder this season. Monks maybe less so but they're around. Paladins are the only healer that can't compete right now. Watch Sodah's stream sometime. I dooo xD I don't see him team with any Restos? xD But ok ok i take your view, i don't watch the ladders extensively XD Maybe you're confusing Sodah with Sodapoppin. I'm talking about Sodah, who plays resto druid and priest. http://www.twitch.tv/sodez (not live now)
Oh right, yeah sure will check him out! Thanks
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On May 01 2013 01:09 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 21:00 Rixxe wrote:On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see. Tend to disagree. Hell even hydra was playing Doomkin/Mage/Priest at god knows what rating yesterday. And the damage a boomkin does without actually casting is pretty insane. Plus with Heart of the Wild (Think its that ability) they can heal like a resto druid for a small amount of time. Resto's on the other hand i've no idea at all. Do you play on Drak'thul by any chance? Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see. It's like Rixxe said, they do pretty obscene damage with instants. And then you get rooted in a solar beam, and when actually get to cast... oh boy.
Play on Azuremyst at the moment. Only got back into the game around 3 weeks ago, after a 2 year break.
I'm not sure i like the way PvP is at the moment in general, the amount of CC that is instant has become a bit silly, not to mention some classes that do insane damage still seem to have the best CC.
Also why haven't DK's been removed from the game yet. Pretty sure it was better before Blizzard introduced them.
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On May 01 2013 17:41 Rixxe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:09 Nikon wrote:On April 30 2013 21:00 Rixxe wrote:On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see. Tend to disagree. Hell even hydra was playing Doomkin/Mage/Priest at god knows what rating yesterday. And the damage a boomkin does without actually casting is pretty insane. Plus with Heart of the Wild (Think its that ability) they can heal like a resto druid for a small amount of time. Resto's on the other hand i've no idea at all. Do you play on Drak'thul by any chance? On April 30 2013 20:54 Pandemona wrote:
I watch quite a few WoW streams and boomkins get destroyed, even at decent ratings. They look good, but as soon as barskin is popped they pretty much become useless and die quickly. They have a few CCs like you say and can heal themselves etc, but they don't fare well.
Kitty > Tree > Boomkin in PvP imo. Kitty is fucking op as fuck though, just watch Sodapoppin's stream and you will see. It's like Rixxe said, they do pretty obscene damage with instants. And then you get rooted in a solar beam, and when actually get to cast... oh boy. Play on Azuremyst at the moment. Only got back into the game around 3 weeks ago, after a 2 year break. I'm not sure i like the way PvP is at the moment in general, the amount of CC that is instant has become a bit silly, not to mention some classes that do insane damage still seem to have the best CC. Also why haven't DK's been removed from the game yet. Pretty sure it was better before Blizzard introduced them.
Are you refering to DK's having insane damage and best CC?
Cause I ve only seen Hunters/Mages 2v1 in streams and I believe they are the most OP right now.
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