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Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 03 2005 23:09 GMT
#61
And yes, HoMM3 is the best singleplayer game ever made =)
I had play it 12H a day and sometimes longer =]
Huge maps vs 7 comps etc ;-]
Ok, ill play HoMM3 today. You guys convinced me
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
May 03 2005 23:10 GMT
#62
On May 04 2005 05:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:
day you need to start placing your threads correctly


hehe sowwie
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 03 2005 23:45 GMT
#63
I have this ver: http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=h3-roe+ab+sod.exe&ext=&op=and
No CD, all in one ;-)
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 03 2005 23:46 GMT
#64
If u give me a server I can upload it =]
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Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 04 2005 03:59 GMT
#65
Have you guys played WoG ?
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[pG]BrEaKdOwN
Profile Joined January 2005
Germany141 Posts
May 04 2005 04:08 GMT
#66
M2 wtf is good about shakti ? troglodytes are shit
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 04 2005 04:26 GMT
#67
yep, i think the same =)
maybe overlord gives 8 psi ? :D
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4133 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-04 04:58:59
May 04 2005 04:57 GMT
#68
On May 04 2005 13:08 [pG]BrEaKdOwN wrote:
M2 wtf is good about shakti ? troglodytes are shit

the tournaments are played at impossible(200%) difficulty.
Ussually shakti starts with around with 65-75 trogodyles and sometimes even with 90-100 trogodyles if u know how to micro them u can kill very strong neutrals at the beggining,u can even take 7lvl dwelling first week if u find one and with portal of summon u become very powerful,but thats the best scenario,most of the games u took lower level dwelings ,but even with them u can be very strong secend and third week which is very very important.Usually the games ended between 3-rd and fifth week even on XL map.And with shakti even if u didnt find dwellings u can kill neutrals easy first and second week ,so u can expand to other teritories => more gold and resources => better builded town and higher level hero. The Dungeon has powerful units for final battle ,but they dont have unit like grand elf ot Cavalry which can be build first week and allows easy neutral killing without victims in your army,thats why only shakti is usefull from Dungeon,coz he can provide this first and second week power.Shakti 100-120 trogodyles with good placement and micro can kill in fisrt or second week griffin conservatory with 1 or 2 angels inside .These are the main reasons why shakti is good.
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nortorius
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1210 Posts
May 04 2005 05:30 GMT
#69
On May 03 2005 06:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Beaver, http://abandonware.the-frenchkiss.biz/index.php?page=fiche&id=951 :}


Won't run? EDITOR2 works fine (opens up the map creation menu), INSTALL opens up a sound setting up device, and HEROES2 opens, flashes a red screen about two times, and than automatically returns to desk top. Any help to this problem would be appreciated ;]
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
May 04 2005 05:38 GMT
#70
On May 03 2005 17:18 Bard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2005 15:17 Oxygen wrote:
I think HoMM3 > 2 > 1 > 4 :O



3>2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

-_-;;

I couldn't agree more.4th Heroes are just one big piece of shit.
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8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2720 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-04 05:48:06
May 04 2005 05:46 GMT
#71
On May 04 2005 07:07 M2 wrote:
So far noone here had a clue about the balance in HOMM3.I feel too lazy to explain datailed now ,but I played HOMM3(Shadow of death) a lot at pro level with the best players in the world and I often went top 5 at tournaments and the guy who teached me to play heroes was N1 in the world heroes ladders for a long period.So balance is like that:
Necropolis is the best town,many levels above other towns.Its forbidden at tournaments:-))With necro good player can beat 2 good players against him if they play other towns (except if they pick flux )


well I understand that necro can rush to the other player and gather skeletons, stilll won't he get defeated by dungeon? If they play with 0 resources then making beholders may be a problem

The Second is flux(conflux) the only town that stand a chance against necropolis,but still Necro>Flux,also flux is forbidden at tournaments.


why is flux forbidden? to be frank I never played armageddon's blade, maybe like 3-4 games

Next are the tournamet towns(the towns which everyone picks when playing important matct) -Rampart,Castle,Dungeon and an idea behing,but playable- Stronghold .This towns are pretty even ,but the map size and template plays huge role at their balance.Rampart is the most flexible race from them and thats why the most used.Rampart is equally strong at any map,but the castle is strong at XL map even a little stronger than Rampart and weaker at L maps and useless on smaller maps than L.Dungeon has the hero(Shakti) with most potential from all tournamet towns ,if u have a day with shakti u'll crush rampart and castle on any map.Without shakti noone pick dungeon to play with.Stronghold are good town but to win with them is like playing ZvP on semi-island map,but they can do it with that hero with the balista speciallity I cant remeber his name now sorry(I stopped played heroes for 4 years maybe)
The rest towns are crap-Tower,Inferno and Fortress,the difference between them and the tournamnet towns is not that big like between tournament towns and Necro&Flux ,but still noone will play with them in important matches.
p.s note that The most powerfull heroes are the diplomacy heroes,but they are also forbidden.Diplomacy heroes are even bigger than Necropolis.Logistic heroes are also forbidden.
p.s.s when I played HOMM1&2 I was noob and playes with friends so I am not clear which towns are stronger,but I can answer very detailed about everything related with HOMM3


why are logistics forbidden? o_O
I understand banning diplomacy which is pretty random, but logistics
no gunnar??? (aka logistics+tactics+nearly 100% earth magic)

why are the tourneys played on imossible? that seems to be stupid (ok maybe I sound like a BGH noob), I kinda don't understand it, standard resourcess allow for more build orders etc

I highly doubt that shakti can get more than 50 troglodytes, unless the game was patched or something like that (I dont play armageddon's blade), because of the "buy hero-cast spells-buy hero-cast spells" exploit


On May 04 2005 14:30 nortorius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2005 06:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Beaver, http://abandonware.the-frenchkiss.biz/index.php?page=fiche&id=951 :}


Won't run? EDITOR2 works fine (opens up the map creation menu), INSTALL opens up a sound setting up device, and HEROES2 opens, flashes a red screen about two times, and than automatically returns to desk top. Any help to this problem would be appreciated ;]


maybe try to play without sound
actually I think you set up sound under the dos version (I think HOMM2 had also a windows version) so try using dos-box
I have returned
[pG]BrEaKdOwN
Profile Joined January 2005
Germany141 Posts
May 04 2005 06:21 GMT
#72
how the fuck can an xl map end in 5weeks ? thats not possible even if u play 80%.
shakti maybe good in the beginning but i doubt he can take 7th lvl dwelling first week, and i doubt he would win in late game vs neela/mephala(but im not sure how big this first week advantage is, never played with him nor played a tournament
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 04 2005 06:29 GMT
#73
On May 04 2005 08:45 Musli wrote:
I have this ver: http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=h3-roe+ab+sod.exe&ext=&op=and
No CD, all in one ;-)

Hey :D

Upload it to http://yousendit.com then the community can try to re-upload it when the link expires ;P (I know I will)

I've only played Heroes 3 like once
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
[pG]BrEaKdOwN
Profile Joined January 2005
Germany141 Posts
May 04 2005 09:30 GMT
#74
bad mistake! :D i played like 1000 games
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-04 10:07:14
May 04 2005 10:06 GMT
#75
Well, homm 2 is the final nail in the coffin for guildwars. I just bought GW and have been neglecting it due to my rampage on pgtour, final exams, and of course my beloved homm 2 which is currently sucking up most of my free time. Anyone know where I can find homm 3 besides a bargain bin, I checked at my local ebgames but they don't carry it anymore

Edit: N/m I'm retarded, just saw the torrent link, thx =)
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 04 2005 10:06 GMT
#76
Haha, this is like the most I've seen BrEaKdOwN post in one thread. XD
Big HoMM fan I see.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 04 2005 10:26 GMT
#77
On May 04 2005 18:30 [pG]BrEaKdOwN wrote:
bad mistake! :D i played like 1000 games

=P
Only played it at a friends house I played Homm2 a bit though (but I'm really bad at turnbased games as I'm usually too impatient to finish them ^^).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
May 06 2005 00:51 GMT
#78
Oh yeah! I made it to the 5th campaign mission for the non-evil looking dude in homm 2. All bow down and worship my l33t skillZ!
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 06 2005 01:05 GMT
#79
On May 04 2005 15:29 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2005 08:45 Musli wrote:
I have this ver: http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=h3-roe+ab+sod.exe&ext=&op=and
No CD, all in one ;-)

Hey :D

Upload it to http://yousendit.com then the community can try to re-upload it when the link expires ;P (I know I will)

I've only played Heroes 3 like once

How to upload there ? They ask an email. What to do ? ;-)
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall || mail/msn: muslii@gmail.com
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
May 06 2005 02:09 GMT
#80
wtf I disagree so hard about the balance discussion


fighter races are MUCH stronger than the wizards, they can only do one spell a turn which would usually end up being chain lightning and that doesnt nearly compensate for high attack/high defense skill, especially if you use units with high hit points compared to their price or other anti chain lightning tactics


also fighter races can get a spell book from one mage guild and just use a good level 1 spell like blood lust, stone skin or whatever boosts a unit


also mage guilds are ridiculously expensive, and I don't even have to tell how bad things look if the other guy's best unit is immune to ur best damage spell when you have 10 less attack and defense skill late game, basicly ur entire army cant do anything

in addition u need to watch your mana

in addition mages are ridiculously weak early game, which is the important part


damn WTF I would own u all at HOMM2


btw: necromancer was the weakest IMO. They only had vampire lords (possibly the best unit in the game though) but they were hard to get and necros never had the attack/def skill to make them work decently and everything else about necromancer sucks



also logistics, dimension door and armageddon > all
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