[r]Heroes of might and magic 2

On May 03 2005 01:41 Legionnaire wrote:
i beat the demo on impossible mode! so damn hard.

eventually bought the game even though it was pretty outdated then, was lots of fun though, pity not exactly balanced.

ghosts are way too strong

On May 03 2005 01:44 Chris307 wrote:
HoMM1 was an excellent introduction to the series, and at the time of its arrival, it exceeded the standard.

HoMM2 was a really, really good game, best in the series by far.

HoMM3 and on was all "here are a billion different creatures with no artistic vision, half of which you won't even remember the names of, and here's a hundred different campaigns where each stage seems to take weeks to complete. give me $60 please"

On May 03 2005 06:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Beaver, http://abandonware.the-frenchkiss.biz/index.php?page=fiche&id=951 :}

Also, this game rocks so this is definately bump worthy ;o
(Thanks to whoever posted it on the last page, can't remember who).

On May 03 2005 07:23 LastWish wrote:
Heroes 2 :
mostly imbalanced due to warlock and wizard having dragons and titans grownth 3 per week. Fortunately I managed to edit the game in order to balance it a little bit, decreasing titan/dragon grownth, slightly modifying their stats a bit, increasing peasan Hp and dmg decrasing their grownth and som other resource cost issues.
Advantages of the game : Very good town-building tree, combats very simple and exciting, simple skills, high race difference. Beautiful painted graphics, and midi music.
Disadvantages : Combat type heroes became ultimate after playing few weeks and gaining 10++ attack/defence. This was due to 10% damage increase per attack skill above defence. Shitty spell system - higher spells often less useful than lower spells.

Heroes 3 :
Imbalanced - if u had an creature generator dwelling, it would increase unit grownth +1, plus you could buy additional units from it. If u were dungeon, creature portal could allow you to build additional units from the same dwelling. This could mean, normally dragons grow +2 per week, with this +5 per week. Fly spell was imba, you could take artifacts and treasures without fighting the guardians. Dragon Utopias were giving too many good artifacts, but were poorly guarded. Resurrect and Animate Dead spells were too powerful.
Advantages : Nice Graphics. More complex towns with economy buildings. Wait button in Combat. Attack skils gives +5% bonus.
Disadvantages : After few games Music became really disturbing. Every unit is upgradable. Very bad spell system - Many high level spell unuseful. Secondary Magic skills allowed warrior heroes to became powerful casters(mass haste,mass slow,mass ...).

Heroes 4 :
Balanced the most, mostly because of the equilibris mode.
Advantages : Town - u may choose from two unit-dwellings to build. Creature abilities desined very well. Heroes, with ability to act as a normal combat units. Spell Casting units. Combat - covering units in order to protect the weak ones from ranged attacks and spells. Very good spell and skill system - Higher the spell, the better it is + skill dependancies.
Disadvantages : Town only 4 dwellings. Low level creatures unuseful later - cannot match higher level units due to skill difference and grownth. Also low level creatures benefit less from many spells and skills since attack/defence is increased percentually. Combat grid is awful. Graphics generally sux.

Real actual friends that have heartbeats and stuff.

On May 03 2005 15:17 Oxygen wrote:
I think HoMM3 > 2 > 1 > 4 :O

On May 03 2005 06:40 8882 wrote:
heroes2 was very imbalanced IMO. The "castle" town (or however it was called) was probably the weakest (the palladin was a crappy high tech unit), maybe it could do some damage in early game, not sure. The town with phoenix had 2range units I think, still it was pretty weak and expensive. I think that the best town was the one with dragons (despite hydras)
I think barbarian castle was in middle

As for HOMM3 (I remember this game much better) the best town was definitely castle (the one with angels), still on LAN most people I knew preferred to take the dungeon (with black dragons) and one hero with bonus to Logistics and Tactics (Gunnar??), because there was a certain "fast capital with quite a lot of army" BO.
The castle with the devils was probably the most sucky (or maybe it was the swamp one with dragonflies), the barbarian castle was pretty weak too.
The necro castle seemed weak despite the skeletons :/
My friend played HOMM3 multi a lot and said that everyone was choosing "castle", the second was the one with elfes (on bigger maps) and the one with titans was chosen only on really big maps. Only few enthusiasts chose dungeon. Still from my games on LAN where we chose random races and heroes usually the person with dungen or castle won

On May 04 2005 06:26 Musli wrote:
HoMM3 ownz !
3 > all
Dungeon and Necro ownz !
In Dungeon u take Deemer and kill everyone with Meteor shower thx to double mana.
In Necro u take Thant with Animated Dead and with necromancy u own everyone.
Earth Magic > all
Magic > army
~~

On May 04 2005 05:10 [pG]BrEaKdOwN wrote:


why the fuck would everyone choose castle? castle is so sucky, theres no good hero in it, archangels cost 3 fucking gems and the castle doesnt even produce gems -_- and i bet u havent fought 10k skeletons yet

On May 04 2005 06:26 Musli wrote:
HoMM3 ownz !
3 > all
Dungeon and Necro ownz !
In Dungeon u take Deemer and kill everyone with Meteor shower thx to double mana.
In Necro u take Thant with Animated Dead and with necromancy u own everyone.
Earth Magic > all
Magic > army
~~

On May 03 2005 02:16 Legionnaire wrote:
Phoenixs were so weak for an ultimate unit, fortunately you could get them pretty quick and got so more of them then other races each week.

Also magic races owned non magic races mid to late game. Chain lightning and ressurrect so good

On May 04 2005 05:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:
day you need to start placing your threads correctly

On May 04 2005 13:08 [pG]BrEaKdOwN wrote:
M2 wtf is good about shakti ? troglodytes are shit

On May 03 2005 06:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Beaver, http://abandonware.the-frenchkiss.biz/index.php?page=fiche&id=951 :}

On May 03 2005 17:18 Bard wrote:


3>2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4

-_-;;

On May 04 2005 07:07 M2 wrote:
So far noone here had a clue about the balance in HOMM3.I feel too lazy to explain datailed now ,but I played HOMM3(Shadow of death) a lot at pro level with the best players in the world and I often went top 5 at tournaments and the guy who teached me to play heroes was N1 in the world heroes ladders for a long period.So balance is like that:
Necropolis is the best town,many levels above other towns.Its forbidden at tournaments:-))With necro good player can beat 2 good players against him if they play other towns (except if they pick flux )

The Second is flux(conflux) the only town that stand a chance against necropolis,but still Necro>Flux,also flux is forbidden at tournaments.

Next are the tournamet towns(the towns which everyone picks when playing important matct) -Rampart,Castle,Dungeon and an idea behing,but playable- Stronghold .This towns are pretty even ,but the map size and template plays huge role at their balance.Rampart is the most flexible race from them and thats why the most used.Rampart is equally strong at any map,but the castle is strong at XL map even a little stronger than Rampart and weaker at L maps and useless on smaller maps than L.Dungeon has the hero(Shakti) with most potential from all tournamet towns ,if u have a day with shakti u'll crush rampart and castle on any map.Without shakti noone pick dungeon to play with.Stronghold are good town but to win with them is like playing ZvP on semi-island map,but they can do it with that hero with the balista speciallity I cant remeber his name now sorry(I stopped played heroes for 4 years maybe)
The rest towns are crap-Tower,Inferno and Fortress,the difference between them and the tournamnet towns is not that big like between tournament towns and Necro&Flux ,but still noone will play with them in important matches.
p.s note that The most powerfull heroes are the diplomacy heroes,but they are also forbidden.Diplomacy heroes are even bigger than Necropolis.Logistic heroes are also forbidden.
p.s.s when I played HOMM1&2 I was noob and playes with friends so I am not clear which towns are stronger,but I can answer very detailed about everything related with HOMM3

On May 04 2005 14:30 nortorius wrote:


Won't run? EDITOR2 works fine (opens up the map creation menu), INSTALL opens up a sound setting up device, and HEROES2 opens, flashes a red screen about two times, and than automatically returns to desk top. Any help to this problem would be appreciated ;]

On May 04 2005 08:45 Musli wrote:
I have this ver: http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=h3-roe+ab+sod.exe&ext=&op=and
No CD, all in one ;-)

On May 04 2005 18:30 [pG]BrEaKdOwN wrote:
bad mistake! :D i played like 1000 games

On May 04 2005 15:29 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Hey :D

Upload it to http://yousendit.com then the community can try to re-upload it when the link expires ;P (I know I will)

I've only played Heroes 3 like once

On May 03 2005 02:16 Legionnaire wrote:
Phoenixs were so weak for an ultimate unit, fortunately you could get them pretty quick and got so more of them then other races each week.

Also magic races owned non magic races mid to late game. Chain lightning and ressurrect so good

On May 07 2005 04:28 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Dimenson door owned, logistics owned (pathfinding owned too) but IMHO armagedon was weak. Why the hell would you want to own your own army?

And while figther heroes migth have been better than magic heroes it wasn't that big of an imbalance. Chain ligthing wasn't the best spell to use. Mass Haste/Bless/Slow/Anything was much better. And resurect with high power could be really good to, so could strategic use of mirror image. (Mass slow, the mirror image before your most important range unit strikes, get 2 shots for free and forces enemy to use magic arrow).
Teleport could own as well. IMHO good use of spells early game made it much easier to get rid of random creatures without taking casulities so you could somewhat make up for poor attack and defense with more items.

The most annoying thing about the game was that you almost never got the best spell in the entire game. How many of you ever got Town Gate? Yes, it was in the game and I belive I got it like once in a real mission, don't know if it was bugged or something.
I also remember us doing probability tests using lots of pyramids to try to get it, and after having the more common level 5's allready (mirror, armagedon, a few summoning, resurect) and raiding like 10 pyramids we finally got it in the last one. I don't know why it didn't showed up normally, probably some imbalance issue or something.

On May 07 2005 08:09 Yuljan wrote:
Finally found a working windows version http://www.heroesleague.ru/show/1160/Heroes2.exe for anyone interested. No CD found at gameburnworld.com

On May 07 2005 02:08 GroT wrote:
can you link to the competetive rules for HOMM 3 ?