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overpass tip for someone playing b:
If they just attacked a and got bathrooms/long control you can jump peek the smaller section of plywood to look at connector door to see if they are rotating to construction. You can get countered by a lurker pushing into b from t spawn into either entrance though, so be aware. The peek is most effective when you get the read that the T's are focusing on A because they are gonna be dedicating a lot of the early round to connector/party/long and at most will just leave someone back near t spawn to watch for the flank from b.
The b site on overpass is actually fascinating, have a few more thoughts to share later.
Btw this is the kind of thing I'd post in my thread but I don't want to triple post, that would be kinda sad.
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Why does no one Bizon after you win the pistol round?
I fucking wreck entire rows of people every time on A Main in Cache. Since I'm a huge money-saver, I run Bizon even on round 4 and it still wrecks.
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Canada8160 Posts
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Because Bizon sucks hard. It's only good if people need more than 5 seconds to kill you because it does virtually zero damage to people with armor. It doesn't feel nice to die with the message "63 dmg in 7 hits"...
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Canada8160 Posts
but typically the losing team doesn't armor second round
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I still think other MPs are way stronger. The only situation where the bizon is going to be superior is when you are holding a spot alone against 5 people and would run out of ammo with another weapon. But that's so rare and even if it happens the are good chances that you don't survive long enough to deplete your ammo or kill more people with it than with another MP before you die.
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On October 04 2015 07:37 Miragee wrote:
I still think other MPs are way stronger. The only situation where the bizon is going to be superior is when you are holding a spot alone against 5 people and would run out of ammo with another weapon. But that's so rare and even if it happens the are good chances that you don't survive long enough to deplete your ammo or kill more people with it than with another MP before you die.
UMP master race here!
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When I was a silver pro, UMP was my gun.
Then I upgraded to MP7
Then came the Big Mac
Then the Pro 90 and now some Bizon when they have no armour.
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On October 04 2015 07:37 Miragee wrote:
I still think other MPs are way stronger. The only situation where the bizon is going to be superior is when you are holding a spot alone against 5 people and would run out of ammo with another weapon. But that's so rare and even if it happens the are good chances that you don't survive long enough to deplete your ammo or kill more people with it than with another MP before you die.
My experience in general, when the enemy have armor and I have an SMG, it just tickles.
When the opposite happened, P90 hits like 3 headshots in a row.
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Buying it as t is kinda pointless because pistol armor on ct is pretty common. Buying on ct is also kinda meh because the mp9 has godlike running/jumping spray.
In general its a risk because you have to 100% be confident they are gonna full save, or just buy a pistol or a grenade. The bison is destroyed by a force buy, force buys are done to throw off the opponent, the only reason to buy a bison is because your expecting a predictable eco round, so it much more likely to be directly countered by a force buy than any other gun.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On October 04 2015 07:31 Jer99 wrote:
but typically the losing team doesn't armor second round
depends on what level, there's almost always a force second round in my games
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On October 04 2015 07:31 Jer99 wrote:
but typically the losing team doesn't armor second round
Actually, typically you always force buy the second round (atleast above a certain level) if you lost the pistol round, except if you planted the bomb and want to buy on the third round. If you force buy the second round you usually still have a decent buy the fourth round after a full eco the third.
To come back to the point, buying smgs second round is risky-ish, especially something like the bizon who is utterly useless against armor. You can still buy some of the better performing smgs against armor like p90 and the likes, but I would advise to have atleast 2 people in the team with a famas or galil.
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On October 04 2015 07:37 Miragee wrote:
I still think other MPs are way stronger. The only situation where the bizon is going to be superior is when you are holding a spot alone against 5 people and would run out of ammo with another weapon. But that's so rare and even if it happens the are good chances that you don't survive long enough to deplete your ammo or kill more people with it than with another MP before you die.
Yup, sometimes I buy Bizon on solo Bsite Mirage when I don't have enough for nades and P90.
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On October 04 2015 08:34 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 07:31 Jer99 wrote:
but typically the losing team doesn't armor second round Actually, typically you always force buy the second round (atleast above a certain level) if you lost the pistol round, except if you planted the bomb and want to buy on the third round. If you force buy the second round you usually still have a decent buy the fourth round after a full eco the third. To come back to the point, buying smgs second round is risky-ish, especially something like the bizon who is utterly useless against armor. You can still buy some of the better performing smgs against armor like p90 and the likes, but I would advise to have atleast 2 people in the team with a famas or galil.
Sometimes with the UMP or MP7 you'll see players wait until after the first rifle round to swap for a better gun and just play a close angle, especially if the other team doesn't have the money for the full nade/Ak-M4 kit. But you can't even do that with the Bizon.
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I usually get mp7 and keep it till i die or get super rich.
At close range the mp7 doesn't feel weaker than m4 for me.
On T-side i switch to ak fast since i can't control where i face my enemies that much and ak is so much better.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
You don't get a Bizon because it sucks ass against armour and a lot of people force buy after losing the pistol now.
Mp7 or UMP is the way to go, can get a Famas or a Galil too if you want.
A full clip of an MP7 will mow down multiple unarmoured opponents just as well as a Bizon.
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On October 04 2015 10:48 RandyPinkwood wrote:
I usually get mp7 and keep it till i die or get super rich.
At close range the mp7 doesn't feel weaker than m4 for me.
On T-side i switch to ak fast since i can't control where i face my enemies that much and ak is so much better.
I do this tooooooooooo
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On October 04 2015 07:20 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why does no one Bizon after you win the pistol round?
I fucking wreck entire rows of people every time on A Main in Cache. Since I'm a huge money-saver, I run Bizon even on round 4 and it still wrecks.
On the specific subject of buying after pistol...it varies. Sometimes I Bizon, sometimes I Nova. Depends on the map.
But overall I actually Bizon more than most. I know people can point to the stats but it just...works for me I guess. I get plenty of kills with it and even multiple kills against multiple opponents at once by just controlling the spray well. Even against armour.
If we're buying and I can't afford an AK or an M4 and can't afford to get nades if I get a P90 then I'll often default to the Bizon. Some might say its suboptimal but, again, the gun just works for me I guess.
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France9034 Posts
The only advantage of the bizon is its very high capacity mag. That's the only thing. Everything else is done better by other SMGs anyway...
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I like MP7, good clip size, great mid-range accuracy, and $1700 isn't too much. I HATE the Mac-10, I swear I just can't get any kills with it. If I kill someone with it on round 2 after dropping pistol round I'll just keep pistoling. My go to is either the MP7 or Mag7/Nova. Depending on the situation.
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