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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 21 2015 00:25 GMT
#18481
i got a safari mesh butterfly knife
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
BeeLz
Profile Joined December 2014
Belgium52 Posts
May 21 2015 00:40 GMT
#18482
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
May 21 2015 02:12 GMT
#18483
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.

your friends are clearly smurfs /s
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 21 2015 02:58 GMT
#18484
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Sterlymobile
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
May 21 2015 08:36 GMT
#18485
So how do you get started with ESEA I have never played on private servers before. I am getting tired of teammates on MM and cheaters that are prevalent. Are the pugs any different than MM?
"You sons of a silly person"
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
May 21 2015 08:48 GMT
#18486
ESEA is doing questionnable shit at the moment (their launcher now installs a driver on your computer that will monitor everything you do even once you closed the client, the only way of not having is scan your computer being uninstalling it). I cancelled my subscription just in case, see for yourself if you find this fine or not. The pugs are different than MM, the average skill is higher, and people are more likely to communicate. However, they'll also play very selfishly, and be douches to you if you suck. 128 tick is a big plus. I'd say it's worth it if it wasn't for their last move and their CEO's answers to people's questions (which were basically, "if you don't trust me unsubscribe and get fucked, I don't have to justify what we're doing").
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 21 2015 08:57 GMT
#18487
On May 21 2015 11:58 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs


Which is really dumb.

It prohibits you from playing with your friends if they are lower ranked. Not only that, but having to get a full party if the rank discrepancy is too large is discouraging playing with friends as well. I had issues having to invite people from my friend's list to fill a party so that I can play with my nooby friend and I had to let the people I invited know that we're playing with my silver friend and that they might de-rank. It's already somewhat difficult to get a full party, let alone get a party going with people willing to play essentially 4v5.

If you want to play with 2 or more silver friends, it's not even worth trying to play lol.
you live and you learn
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
May 21 2015 09:26 GMT
#18488
Well yeah, people bitch about smurfing but you don't have an alternative. Either you straight out can't queue if you're too high compared to your buddies and not in a 5 man premade, and if you're in a 5 man premade you get auto-fucked because you'll basically play 1V5 or 1V9 depending on if you mates bait hard or not. I understand it's important to prevent boosting, as it reduces the amount of rage hackers quite a lot, but it's really annoying as a legit player that just wants to play with friends :<
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-21 11:44:50
May 21 2015 11:43 GMT
#18489
On May 21 2015 17:57 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 11:58 amazingxkcd wrote:
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs


Which is really dumb.

It prohibits you from playing with your friends if they are lower ranked. Not only that, but having to get a full party if the rank discrepancy is too large is discouraging playing with friends as well. I had issues having to invite people from my friend's list to fill a party so that I can play with my nooby friend and I had to let the people I invited know that we're playing with my silver friend and that they might de-rank. It's already somewhat difficult to get a full party, let alone get a party going with people willing to play essentially 4v5.

If you want to play with 2 or more silver friends, it's not even worth trying to play lol.


On the contrary, works pretty well. Smurfing is the bane of this game. CS is a game basically you can 1v5 every round if you are good enough than your opponents and not even remotely entertaining for the opposing team.
As long as solo and team MMRs are the same, it works as intended imo.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Kamari
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden87 Posts
May 21 2015 11:46 GMT
#18490
On the topic of community matches, how is it with faceit, is the free version good enough or do I have to pay to get matched with people of 'similar' skill as me and not have this big up and down with playing against people that are silvers in one match and the next I end up facing globals?
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 21 2015 12:21 GMT
#18491
On May 21 2015 20:46 Kamari wrote:
On the topic of community matches, how is it with faceit, is the free version good enough or do I have to pay to get matched with people of 'similar' skill as me and not have this big up and down with playing against people that are silvers in one match and the next I end up facing globals?


you're in sweden so faceit is by far the best choice for you. I would definitely get the paid version of it for that matchmaking aspect of it plus additional features
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19237 Posts
May 21 2015 13:20 GMT
#18492
esea account management page doesn't load for me so I guess I won't be cancelling...
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Censured
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1061 Posts
May 21 2015 13:33 GMT
#18493
On May 21 2015 22:20 tofucake wrote:
esea account management page doesn't load for me so I guess I won't be cancelling...

1) log in to paypal
2) my paypal
3) gear button in top right
4) payment settings in bottom right
5) preapproved payments
6) find the ESEA one and cancel it
Occupation: Legend
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 21 2015 14:31 GMT
#18494
On May 21 2015 20:43 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 17:57 illsick wrote:
On May 21 2015 11:58 amazingxkcd wrote:
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs


Which is really dumb.

It prohibits you from playing with your friends if they are lower ranked. Not only that, but having to get a full party if the rank discrepancy is too large is discouraging playing with friends as well. I had issues having to invite people from my friend's list to fill a party so that I can play with my nooby friend and I had to let the people I invited know that we're playing with my silver friend and that they might de-rank. It's already somewhat difficult to get a full party, let alone get a party going with people willing to play essentially 4v5.

If you want to play with 2 or more silver friends, it's not even worth trying to play lol.


On the contrary, works pretty well. Smurfing is the bane of this game. CS is a game basically you can 1v5 every round if you are good enough than your opponents and not even remotely entertaining for the opposing team.
As long as solo and team MMRs are the same, it works as intended imo.

I mean, the system doesn't discourage smurfing at all (in fact it encourages it to the point of forcing it). It merely discourages "boosting" which isn't an issue in the first place lmao.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-21 14:47:37
May 21 2015 14:41 GMT
#18495
On May 21 2015 23:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 20:43 Laserist wrote:
On May 21 2015 17:57 illsick wrote:
On May 21 2015 11:58 amazingxkcd wrote:
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs


Which is really dumb.

It prohibits you from playing with your friends if they are lower ranked. Not only that, but having to get a full party if the rank discrepancy is too large is discouraging playing with friends as well. I had issues having to invite people from my friend's list to fill a party so that I can play with my nooby friend and I had to let the people I invited know that we're playing with my silver friend and that they might de-rank. It's already somewhat difficult to get a full party, let alone get a party going with people willing to play essentially 4v5.

If you want to play with 2 or more silver friends, it's not even worth trying to play lol.


On the contrary, works pretty well. Smurfing is the bane of this game. CS is a game basically you can 1v5 every round if you are good enough than your opponents and not even remotely entertaining for the opposing team.
As long as solo and team MMRs are the same, it works as intended imo.

I mean, the system doesn't discourage smurfing at all (in fact it encourages it to the point of forcing it). It merely discourages "boosting" which isn't an issue in the first place lmao.


Correct, my bad for interpreting the wrong thing. It discourages boosting and disallows huge skill variance of a game.
Nobody would like to get rekt by a 60-0-0 guy, simply because he wants to play with his noob friends.

Maybe having separate ladders for solo & team would work for smurfs a little bit.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 21 2015 14:43 GMT
#18496
On May 21 2015 23:41 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2015 23:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
On May 21 2015 20:43 Laserist wrote:
On May 21 2015 17:57 illsick wrote:
On May 21 2015 11:58 amazingxkcd wrote:
On May 21 2015 09:40 BeeLz wrote:
Just played a game with some friends who just started playing and are low ranked. I understand playing with a higher ranked player should have some downside. But this matchup made no sense, I'm LEM, we had 3 gold nova III and 1 silver III. We get matched up against 3 Supremes and 2 LEMs, what's that about :o
Still managed to win 3 rounds and end up with a positive score, and more enjoyable than solo queue. But don't think I'll be matchmaking with them again for their sake.


MM matches based on the highest rank in the group. So an LEM with 4 silvers is gonna play more LEMs


Which is really dumb.

It prohibits you from playing with your friends if they are lower ranked. Not only that, but having to get a full party if the rank discrepancy is too large is discouraging playing with friends as well. I had issues having to invite people from my friend's list to fill a party so that I can play with my nooby friend and I had to let the people I invited know that we're playing with my silver friend and that they might de-rank. It's already somewhat difficult to get a full party, let alone get a party going with people willing to play essentially 4v5.

If you want to play with 2 or more silver friends, it's not even worth trying to play lol.


On the contrary, works pretty well. Smurfing is the bane of this game. CS is a game basically you can 1v5 every round if you are good enough than your opponents and not even remotely entertaining for the opposing team.
As long as solo and team MMRs are the same, it works as intended imo.

I mean, the system doesn't discourage smurfing at all (in fact it encourages it to the point of forcing it). It merely discourages "boosting" which isn't an issue in the first place lmao.


Correct, my bad for interpreting the wrong thing. It encourages boosting and disallows huge skill variance of a game.
Nobody would like to get rekt by a 60-0-0 guy, simply because he wants to play with his noob friends.

Maybe having separate ladders for solo & team would work for smurfs a little bit.

? I think you need to reread my post
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
May 21 2015 14:48 GMT
#18497
Ok ok.... My mind is foggy for designing circuits for 6 hours already. Give me a break..
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 21 2015 14:50 GMT
#18498
friberg is using the a4 again. Hope restored?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
May 21 2015 15:05 GMT
#18499
On May 21 2015 20:46 Kamari wrote:
On the topic of community matches, how is it with faceit, is the free version good enough or do I have to pay to get matched with people of 'similar' skill as me and not have this big up and down with playing against people that are silvers in one match and the next I end up facing globals?


faceit = silvers
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 21 2015 15:12 GMT
#18500
faceit = silvers is only true for USA since everyone here plays esea.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
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