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On December 01 2014 23:10 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2014 22:02 iXphobos wrote:
Just read the pronax interview. Always thought that he was one of the smarter guys, but:
"If they had figured it out in time(i think they figured it out at 13-13), they could have bought an scout/awp and killed Olof from outside T-spawn without Olof even being able to see the guy who kills him."
Either he is disgustingly BM and totally making fun of LDLC or he's actually retarded.
That's like LeBron saying to a 12yo girl who is playing him 1on1: "You just have to grow a bit and practice, than you'll be able to beat me." if you can see someone witouth him seeing you means there are invisible textures ? if thts so, he is retarded as that is ilegal
Even if theres no invisible texture, it's a total joke.
You have to find olofs head from across the whole map with no idea where he could be because he can hit you anywhere, then get an AWP and challenge him with him being in the better position. And then you're still on a 5v4 on a pretty CT sided map.
Sure pronax, pretty easy.
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On December 02 2014 00:06 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 00:04 Djzapz wrote:On December 01 2014 23:57 Faruko wrote:On December 01 2014 23:51 Djzapz wrote:
FFS, won a game 16-5, then lost 2-16, had to kick a guy out of the game cause he was 0-9 and kept shouting orders and calling us bad x_x.
Why D: Welcome to matchmaking :D i prefer to stay quiet, play my game and follow what my team could be doing if im solo I'm not new to matchmaking, but these days it's especially bad. Win one or two games really easily, win one or two very bad. Over the last 10 games I've played, I don't think the losing team has had more than 6-7 rounds. probably the influx of smurfs because its steam sale time
Steam sale time, full of people trolling, smurfing, and deranking.I havn't played a single even game lately, either its a complete one sided stomp that I win or one that I get stomped. Last night I either played with this guy with amazing game sense or maphacking either way we still lost though.
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or if you know that they're trying to stack on A, just rush B and do a quick stack at t spawn with a scout
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For me, one of the most convincing flusha clips is where he is holding arch on inferno, but he does it in peculiar manner. He doesn't aim at the corner to mid, but he aims at the wall left of himself, fair 2-3 me left of it, "tracks" enemy movement really well and when he gets the call they are out of the apps he instantly goes left for ~90° and continues to defend the site. I can't find the clip since it was in one of hltv's comments but i do know it was against nip o inferno (if someone is willing to look for it).
This movement kinda negates the whole "he has low sens" or "he ran out of mousepad" arguments.
Another thing is 128 tick of d2 where his aim goes to the body, moves a bit left, suddenly snaps onto sized head then goes to the left like nothing happened (http://gfycat.com/ShabbyShockingGermanshepherd).
I'm not the best player (float between dmg and double ak most of the time) but these things combined with the rest of the videos/ "evidence" really makes me more inclined to believe that he is cheating than he's not.
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Yeah games are insanely brutal lately. 100% Trolls or Smurfs it's incredibly frustrating. One game 2 friends kept moly and nading each other to death for 10 rounds and would all chat spam where the rest of the team was + drop the enemy awps when they had money. Wish Volvo would implement IP bans for x days.
The rank up dream is dead 
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It's sad that after watching all those amazing games of CS, the game becomes largely unplayable because of the nature of the community. So many hackers/trolls/smurfs jumping at the chance to ruin other people's fun. Majors coinciding with discounts on the game seems like a great idea marketing wise but it just ends up exacerbating the existing flaws of the community of players.
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I don't know if it would make any big difference, but I'd really appreciate more 'matching' players in matchmaking. I'm 26 and speak pretty fluent English. Why do I get matched with 13 year olds that refuse to communicate?
I guess the age thing is a bit sensitive in Steam since GO is a game directed for mature people and yet half of its audience seems to be still halfway in their teens at max. Still... I definitely wouldn't mind a bit slower queue if it meant that I get to play with a bit more likelyminded people who speak at least some of the languages I can manage. Obviously it doesn't remove the trolls all the way, but it damn sure would remove some of the toxicity feeding the trolls.
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And how would you propose Steam to match you with the people you would prefer to be matched? Ask everybody to take a mandatory English test. A questionairre on how likely you are to troll? Don't you require a credit card to buy cs go anyways? Chances are most people are over 16 and have money, and your attribution to 13 year old that refuse to communicate ie you haven't even heard their voice, just shows how ugly you are inside.
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Feck, I'm now banned from comp for a week.
Where is the justice gaben?
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On December 02 2014 02:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Don't you require a credit card to buy cs go anyways?.
You dont need one. Paysafecards or steamcards are available in a lot of stores (at least in germany).
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On December 01 2014 20:32 magicmUnky wrote:Show nested quote +The best method is to compare this evidence against all the other evidence - see how often flusha does things that do not make sense unless he is hacking, and compare that to how often all other pros perform actions that meet the same criteria. Doing this will inherently control for: Those things will all be even but it does not negate their obfuscating effects. You're still missing at least 3/4 of the data... if pros play at 128 tick, you're missing 7/8 of the data. High sens players will look like their cursors are zipping around wildly but getting lucky bullets and low sens players, like flusha, will look like flusha... as many recent demos have shown. This is not like an experiment where you say: well we've held these things constant now lets look at the differences between this set of players: it doesn't work in this case because you're missing lots of data... you don't have the resolution you need to make reasonable assumptions, let alone reasonable conclusions. tldr; not enough information to make reasonable claims
You don't need a census to draw conclusions. And comparing data really will control for the problems with 16 tick demos. Besides, 128 tick pov demos of players in their matches do exist, and can be used instead if you really think it's a dealbreaker. They only allow you to see that player's perspective, and not every match will have a 128 tick demo available, so that also limits the amount of data you can draw. Extrapolations between 64 ms (aka 16 tick) lose less useful information than using pov demos that restrict you to 1 player's view do.
On December 02 2014 02:22 Bacillus wrote:
I don't know if it would make any big difference, but I'd really appreciate more 'matching' players in matchmaking. I'm 26 and speak pretty fluent English. Why do I get matched with 13 year olds that refuse to communicate?
I guess the age thing is a bit sensitive in Steam since GO is a game directed for mature people and yet half of its audience seems to be still halfway in their teens at max. Still... I definitely wouldn't mind a bit slower queue if it meant that I get to play with a bit more likelyminded people who speak at least some of the languages I can manage. Obviously it doesn't remove the trolls all the way, but it damn sure would remove some of the toxicity feeding the trolls.
Only way to avoid these people is to rank up (yeah, crappy solution). When I play with my silver/gold friends I find a lot of players like the ones you're talking about, but past double ak they're rare. By eagle they're pretty much gone altogether.
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On December 02 2014 02:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
And how would you propose Steam to match you with the people you would prefer to be matched? Ask everybody to take a mandatory English test. A questionairre on how likely you are to troll? Don't you require a credit card to buy cs go anyways? Chances are most people are over 16 and have money, and your attribution to 13 year old that refuse to communicate ie you haven't even heard their voice, just shows how ugly you are inside.
I'd be fine with simple profile options that allow you to tick in preferred languages, age and maybe a few tags like "For Fun" or "Highly Competitive". Obviously it doesn't people from entering false information, but it still reduces the mismatch quite a bit. Simple stuff really.
And by non-communicative 13-year-olds I mean the common occurrence of someone blurting out foreign language in a high pitched voice to the voice comm.
On December 02 2014 02:34 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 02:22 Bacillus wrote:
I don't know if it would make any big difference, but I'd really appreciate more 'matching' players in matchmaking. I'm 26 and speak pretty fluent English. Why do I get matched with 13 year olds that refuse to communicate?
I guess the age thing is a bit sensitive in Steam since GO is a game directed for mature people and yet half of its audience seems to be still halfway in their teens at max. Still... I definitely wouldn't mind a bit slower queue if it meant that I get to play with a bit more likelyminded people who speak at least some of the languages I can manage. Obviously it doesn't remove the trolls all the way, but it damn sure would remove some of the toxicity feeding the trolls. Only way to avoid these people is to rank up (yeah, crappy solution). When I play with my silver/gold friends I find a lot of players like the ones you're talking about, but past double ak they're rare. By eagle they're pretty much gone altogether.
Heh yeah, that's where the whole dilemma is. To get to the sweet stuff you have to work yourself up the ladder and keep yourself there. I think I could get to DMG or Eagle if I really put effort into it, but my dream scenario would certainly be a bit less stressed matches while still maintaining some healthy possibilities for teamwork and humorous chatter.
Or maybe I should just stop being a bitter old man in the game of youngsters or something 
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Even if you tick English language only, you're still matched with the russians since they'll also tick English language for faster queues
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On December 02 2014 02:54 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 02:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
And how would you propose Steam to match you with the people you would prefer to be matched? Ask everybody to take a mandatory English test. A questionairre on how likely you are to troll? Don't you require a credit card to buy cs go anyways? Chances are most people are over 16 and have money, and your attribution to 13 year old that refuse to communicate ie you haven't even heard their voice, just shows how ugly you are inside. I'd be fine with simple profile options that allow you to tick in preferred languages, age and maybe a few tags like "For Fun" or "Highly Competitive". Obviously it doesn't people from entering false information, but it still reduces the mismatch quite a bit. Simple stuff really. And by non-communicative 13-year-olds I mean the common occurrence of someone blurting out foreign language in a high pitched voice to the voice comm. Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 02:34 Demonhunter04 wrote:On December 02 2014 02:22 Bacillus wrote:
I don't know if it would make any big difference, but I'd really appreciate more 'matching' players in matchmaking. I'm 26 and speak pretty fluent English. Why do I get matched with 13 year olds that refuse to communicate?
I guess the age thing is a bit sensitive in Steam since GO is a game directed for mature people and yet half of its audience seems to be still halfway in their teens at max. Still... I definitely wouldn't mind a bit slower queue if it meant that I get to play with a bit more likelyminded people who speak at least some of the languages I can manage. Obviously it doesn't remove the trolls all the way, but it damn sure would remove some of the toxicity feeding the trolls. Only way to avoid these people is to rank up (yeah, crappy solution). When I play with my silver/gold friends I find a lot of players like the ones you're talking about, but past double ak they're rare. By eagle they're pretty much gone altogether. Heh yeah, that's where the whole dilemma is. To get to the sweet stuff you have to work yourself up the ladder and keep yourself there. I think I could get to DMG or Eagle if I really put effort into it, but my dream scenario would certainly be a bit less stressed matches while still maintaining some healthy possibilities for teamwork and humorous chatter. Or maybe I should just stop being a bitter old man in the game of youngsters or something
lol higher level matches aren't really more stressful. With experience you get used to playing at a higher skill level with the same amount of effort.
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On December 02 2014 03:06 amazingxkcd wrote:
Even if you tick English language only, you're still matched with the russians since they'll also tick English language for faster queues
Yeah. I guess there could be an option to report such behavior, but that's probably as good as it gets and it's not that good. At this point I'm willing to take any glimpse of improvement though.
On December 02 2014 03:11 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2014 02:54 Bacillus wrote:On December 02 2014 02:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
And how would you propose Steam to match you with the people you would prefer to be matched? Ask everybody to take a mandatory English test. A questionairre on how likely you are to troll? Don't you require a credit card to buy cs go anyways? Chances are most people are over 16 and have money, and your attribution to 13 year old that refuse to communicate ie you haven't even heard their voice, just shows how ugly you are inside. I'd be fine with simple profile options that allow you to tick in preferred languages, age and maybe a few tags like "For Fun" or "Highly Competitive". Obviously it doesn't people from entering false information, but it still reduces the mismatch quite a bit. Simple stuff really. And by non-communicative 13-year-olds I mean the common occurrence of someone blurting out foreign language in a high pitched voice to the voice comm. On December 02 2014 02:34 Demonhunter04 wrote:On December 02 2014 02:22 Bacillus wrote:
I don't know if it would make any big difference, but I'd really appreciate more 'matching' players in matchmaking. I'm 26 and speak pretty fluent English. Why do I get matched with 13 year olds that refuse to communicate?
I guess the age thing is a bit sensitive in Steam since GO is a game directed for mature people and yet half of its audience seems to be still halfway in their teens at max. Still... I definitely wouldn't mind a bit slower queue if it meant that I get to play with a bit more likelyminded people who speak at least some of the languages I can manage. Obviously it doesn't remove the trolls all the way, but it damn sure would remove some of the toxicity feeding the trolls. Only way to avoid these people is to rank up (yeah, crappy solution). When I play with my silver/gold friends I find a lot of players like the ones you're talking about, but past double ak they're rare. By eagle they're pretty much gone altogether. Heh yeah, that's where the whole dilemma is. To get to the sweet stuff you have to work yourself up the ladder and keep yourself there. I think I could get to DMG or Eagle if I really put effort into it, but my dream scenario would certainly be a bit less stressed matches while still maintaining some healthy possibilities for teamwork and humorous chatter. Or maybe I should just stop being a bitter old man in the game of youngsters or something lol higher level matches aren't really more stressful. With experience you get used to playing at a higher skill level with the same amount of effort.
Yeah, that's partly true. I've got some health stuff going on which makes me kind of a shaky player and I've figured out I get stomped pretty easily at bad times. Still, I probably just try to man up and start headshotting a bit more.
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I love the part where he wrote "We never tried it because we knew that it would be good - How good? We didnt know really, and that it was an bug/glitch/exploit, we seriously didnt think about it that way, we honestly thought that we just were innovative and found something new and cool, not gamebreaking, this is why we didnt report this in."
That's some pure BS right there. Yeah Fnatic NEVER tried to send one guy T side while using the boost to see how gamebreaking this boost was while practicing. Just like after years of playing CS, they NEVER taught that the boost could be illegal and gamebreaking, when clearly, it was stated in rules of previous tournaments that such boost were illegal. YEAH RIGHT! This guy is a joke.
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On December 02 2014 06:18 DPK wrote:I love the part where he wrote "We never tried it because we knew that it would be good - How good? We didnt know really, and that it was an bug/glitch/exploit, we seriously didnt think about it that way, we honestly thought that we just were innovative and found something new and cool, not gamebreaking, this is why we didnt report this in." That's some pure BS right there. Yeah Fnatic NEVER tried to send one guy T side while using the boost to see how gamebreaking this boost was while practicing. Just like after years of playing CS, they NEVER taught that the boost could be illegal and gamebreaking, when clearly, it was stated in rules of previous tournaments that such boost were illegal. YEAH RIGHT! This guy is a joke.
most likely their line of thought was "yea there's a spot you can go at t spawn to counter snipe it, that's all you need to know"
first thing Olof was doing when boosted was checking that spot for almost all the rounds they did it
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Regardless, the Fnatic guys should keep their mouth shut instead of releasing BS statements like the one from reddit. They are just making themselves look like complete fools by saying stupid stuff like that.
edit : I can't believe that some guys on reddit are actually "praising" JW comment. How can you not see that he's BSing everyone with that comment? I guess I'm expecting too much from the reddit community lol.
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It's a much better damage control statement than anything else fnatic has put out. I'm sure they did try sending a person on T side, which is why some of their other statements were something along the lines of "this is pretty easy to counter, you can go here or here, and just snipe the guy boosted". They just never tried it in a scrim because that would defeat the entire purpose of the surprise in a tournament game. Problem was just that no one else knew where they were boosted from until like 10 rounds into that half.
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