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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On November 27 2014 17:07 Souma wrote: flusha is sketchy as fuck, sure, but you can't honestly tell me olof is cheating 100% with those four gifs. Unlike some of flusha's, all of olofs are actually quite explainable. I'm not saying he doesn't cheat, but those four gifs prove absolutely nothing. Here: http://gfycat.com/RegularPoorGlassfrog#?speed=0.5 If you actually pay attention, the guy who his crosshair snapped to was running and made noise. At that distance, it's no surprise that he was able to flick towards him. Is it impressive? Sure. Is it unheard of? Absolutely not. Everyone does it. http://gfycat.com/SoupyIgnorantIndianjackal He obviously knew he was behind the pillar for whatever reason (could have been a teammate who died and told him, or olof could have seen him before. gif doesn't show enough). http://gfycat.com/FlimsyGreenAmericantoad Once again, guy is running and making noise. Aiming towards the sound at that distance is not a difficult thing to do, especially for a pro player. http://gfycat.com/DeadlyPettyBluefish He checked a corner then snapped his crosshair towards the entrance. It just so happens that the CT happened to be on the other side of the smoke and the crosshair flicked to his... crotch? C'mon now. If I got a penny for every time I had coincidentally snapped my crosshair towards some guy behind smoke, I'd be able to buy some bubblegum. Get a grip. If you actually watched replays of all the games you've played I'm sure you could find a handful of "fishy" moments. I find them all the time when I view my own replays. Given how much these guys play and how good they are, having a few "fishy" (really, not all of olof's were all that sketchy) moments is nothing. While flusha has some very sketchy and unnatural moments and there's a decent chance he may be hacking, I don't think for a second that you can yet put olof in that same boat. In the 3rd one there is no reason to look where he looked though. Sure he heard the guy running, but what good is looking at him going to do? He can't shot at him through the boxes, so realistically he should stay aiming where he killed the other guy. And in the 4th one I think it's more about how the crosshair moved, rather than where it moved to. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
The fourth one, I agree, the crosshair movement is a bit unnatural, but since it's still quite reasonable for him to move his crosshair to that position, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Remember, I'm not saying olof doesn't cheat, but rather that these gifs just don't prove enough. Not nearly as sketchy as flusha, in any case. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2076 Posts
As an sound-aim coordination it's almost inhuman. As a play it's very silly and unprofessional way of revealing your positioning and opening yourself to other angles. That's a combination that seems to be happening quite a bit in Flusha's clips too. | ||
Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
Nothing wrong with snapping crosshairs to sound. It helps you better determine which way that sound is moving. Judging anything as "100% confirmed" off gifs of 16 tick demos is completely stupid. All the evidence is circumstantial at best. Like souma said, in the 4th gif of olofm, his crosshair doesn't even go at the player itself... only near him. Here's a better theory for all you pitch fork holders. Should jump on this bandwagon instead -____- | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 27 2014 18:13 Bacillus wrote: I'd say the chances of Olof randomly doing the 1-click into a wall right on target's head on the 8th bullet are pretty astronomically small. If you hearsteps and panic, you spray and probably readjust to the window if anything. You simply don't go 1-click right on target's head in such manner. As an sound-aim coordination it's almost inhuman. As a play it's very silly and unprofessional way of revealing your positioning and opening yourself to other angles. That's a combination that seems to be happening quite a bit in Flusha's clips too. I assume you're talking about the third gif. If you actually slow down the gif and pay attention, his crosshair does not even snap onto the guy's head, it goes towards his neck but wide right. And even if it did snap onto the guy's head, that would still be far from reasonable proof of hacking. Snapping onto a guy's face due to sound is something a lot of high-level players can do every now and then since they have amazing crosshair placement. Wait, are you talking about the first gif? Because I don't see how that is sketchy at all... you say '8th bullet' but it's not like he was spraying anything beforehand. He heard a noise, flicked over and shot... but since the guy was able to make it across the window, he didn't have an angle so he didn't spray at it. Dunno what's so fishy about that at all. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On November 27 2014 18:52 Souma wrote: I assume you're talking about the third gif. If you actually slow down the gif and pay attention, his crosshair does not even snap onto the guy's head, it goes towards his neck but wide right. And even if it did snap onto the guy's head, that would still be far from reasonable proof of hacking. Snapping onto a guy's face due to sound is something a lot of high-level players can do every now and then since they have amazing crosshair placement. Are those jumpy motions with the crosshair normal? If you can find plays where he moves his crosshair like that without snapping it exactly on some player that would a go a long way in debunking the allegations. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:00 Elroi wrote: Are those jumpy motions with the crosshair normal? If you can find plays where he moves his crosshair like that without snapping it exactly on some player that would a go a long way in debunking the allegations. Are you referring to flicking the crosshair? Because that is about more common than crouching in CS. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2076 Posts
On November 27 2014 18:52 Souma wrote: I assume you're talking about the third gif. If you actually slow down the gif and pay attention, his crosshair does not even snap onto the guy's head, it goes towards his neck but wide right. And even if it did snap onto the guy's head, that would still be far from reasonable proof of hacking. Snapping onto a guy's face due to sound is something a lot of high-level players can do every now and then since they have amazing crosshair placement. The first one. It snaps right onto the head, coincidentally on the 8th bullet. He fires a single bullet, not even a burst or anything. I'd hate to be the admin to slap a ban based on that, but it's beyond suspicious in these circumstances. I can get people wanting more evidence and not wanting to jump into this too much, but not seeing anything sligthly suspicious in all this is beyond my understanding. There is a very specific pattern all this keeps happening and I don't think any kind of actual gameplay stuff explains it. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:05 Nimix wrote: yeah but what are the chances to flick right on the head, shoot, AND HIT while jumping? It happens that the bullet goes where you aim when you jump (it's rng), and that you happened to aim well, but two times in a row, and in such fashion? Dunno, either it's the luckiest action of the year or it's bs Was not referring to you with that post. In that video, the first shot is either freak luck or hacks. The second one, at that distance I could see a jumping USP-S headshot hitting every now and then. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:06 Bacillus wrote: The first one. It snaps right onto the head, coincidentally on the 8th bullet. He fires a single bullet, not even a burst or anything. I'd hate to be the admin to slap a ban based on that, but it's beyond suspicious in these circumstances. I can get people wanting more evidence and not wanting to jump into this too much, but not seeing anything sligthly suspicious in all this is beyond my understanding. There is a very specific pattern all this keeps happening and I don't think any kind of actual gameplay stuff explains it. Refer to: Wait, are you talking about the first gif? Because I don't see how that is sketchy at all... you say '8th bullet' but it's not like he was spraying anything beforehand. He heard a noise, flicked over and shot... but since the guy was able to make it across the window, he didn't have an angle so he didn't spray at it. Dunno what's so fishy about that at all. Don't even know why '8th bullet' is important in this case. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Souma
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Bacillus
Finland2076 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:09 Souma wrote: Refer to: Wait, are you talking about the first gif? Because I don't see how that is sketchy at all... you say '8th bullet' but it's not like he was spraying anything beforehand. He heard a noise, flicked over and shot... but since the guy was able to make it across the window, he didn't have an angle so he didn't spray at it. Dunno what's so fishy about that at all. Don't even know why '8th bullet' is important in this case. If you hear something, you don't flick your mouse for 1-shot into that. At best you spray there or spray the window. A pro player probably keeps his calm, and peeks there. There's a rumour that the aimbot locks in at 8th or 12th bullet. At first I found it kind of silly thing, but there really is loads and loads of these flicks happening on these numbers. Once again, way beyond any reasonable likelyhood as far as I can tell. There's another pretty curious Flusha clip through full smoke lock on 12th. | ||
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
omg, look, I found "undeniable proof" that friberg is hacking. Look, he flicked perfectly and even prefired to where flusha would be. And I bet that's like his x'th bullet, because it was a headshot. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:03 Souma wrote: Are you referring to flicking the crosshair? Because that is about more common than crouching in CS. What i mean is that motion looks strange to just lock on the guy. If you can find games where he doest that same thing without going straight for the guys head/neck and if he does that often enough, then that would be a good sign right? | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 27 2014 19:18 Bacillus wrote: If you hear something, you don't flick your mouse for 1-shot into that. At best you spray there or spray the window. A pro player probably keeps his calm, and peeks there. There's a rumour that the aimbot locks in at 8th or 12th bullet. At first I found it kind of silly thing, but there really is loads and loads of these flicks happening on these numbers. Once again, way beyond any reasonable likelyhood as far as I can tell. http://youtu.be/IX_4gO9BqfM?t=15m50s There's another pretty curious Flusha clip through full smoke lock on 12th. You have no idea what you're talking about. People do it all the time. If you don't see a target after you flick over and shoot you just don't hold the button down. He didn't even snap onto the guy's head. His crosshair was wide right. Also, please don't bring flusha into this conversation. olof is not flusha, and flusha's clips should not incriminate olof. An "anonymous hacker" already came out and said hacks all depend on what settings a player uses, and they can adjust them almost any way they want, including spray accuracy. I trust his testimony about as much as I trust the rumors that have been going around, so pretty much that's a wash. On November 27 2014 19:19 Elroi wrote: What i mean is that motion looks strange to just lock on the guy. If you can find games where he doest that same thing without going straight for the guys head/neck and if he does that often enough, then that would be a good sign right? That's what the game is about though.. locking onto a guy. Pull enough gifs of ScreaM and you'll probably think he's a hacker too, or shoxie. If you want to see them miss shots, just watch any game. No one has perfect accuracy obv. Hell, olof actually missed in those gifs. | ||
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