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incifan
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
June 23 2014 10:50 GMT
#15441
Is there a way to use steam items if my account isn't linked to steam? I'm guessing not, but maybe someone knows.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
June 23 2014 12:26 GMT
#15442
On June 23 2014 19:50 incifan wrote:
Is there a way to use steam items if my account isn't linked to steam? I'm guessing not, but maybe someone knows.

Nope, you have to link them
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 13:00:12
June 23 2014 12:59 GMT
#15443
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
June 23 2014 13:08 GMT
#15444
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8660 Posts
June 23 2014 13:11 GMT
#15445
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.


Agreeing with destiny here, I don't see how it's gamebreaking. I don't see how it's the best item for MoM either since you can't run a shield.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 13:25:50
June 23 2014 13:23 GMT
#15446
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Did they said something about adding Spell Echo as gem? If not, read spoiler ^^'
+ Show Spoiler +

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 13:30:09
June 23 2014 13:27 GMT
#15447
On June 23 2014 22:23 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.


The leak version of echo at the time where ball lightning got leak didnt have the cast spd increase, only the repeat casting, so it acted reduce mana. Ofc that's certainly not the version we'll about to have but again, the staff got no crit, no cast spd. Dont think we can say much b4 seeing the stat of Echo support gem.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
June 23 2014 13:33 GMT
#15448
On June 23 2014 22:27 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:23 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.


The leak version of echo at the time where ball lightning got leak didnt have the cast spd increase, only the repeat casting, so it acted reduce mana. Ofc that's certainly not the version we'll about to have but again, the staff got no crit, no cast spd. Dont think we can say much b4 seeing the stat of Echo support gem.

Well you dont need any extra stats to get the 1/3 casttime. Casting a spell which then gets repeated makes it 3 spells per activation. IF the gem got a heavy dmg reduction and no increases at all it is balanced. Thats why i asked about a preview gem or something ^^
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8660 Posts
June 23 2014 13:37 GMT
#15449
On June 23 2014 22:33 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:27 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:23 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.


The leak version of echo at the time where ball lightning got leak didnt have the cast spd increase, only the repeat casting, so it acted reduce mana. Ofc that's certainly not the version we'll about to have but again, the staff got no crit, no cast spd. Dont think we can say much b4 seeing the stat of Echo support gem.

Well you dont need any extra stats to get the 1/3 casttime. Casting a spell which then gets repeated makes it 3 spells per activation. IF the gem got a heavy dmg reduction and no increases at all it is balanced. Thats why i asked about a preview gem or something ^^


But if it's going to be like Multistrike you can't move while doing that. And that might be deadly.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
June 23 2014 13:41 GMT
#15450
On June 23 2014 22:33 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:27 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:23 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.


The leak version of echo at the time where ball lightning got leak didnt have the cast spd increase, only the repeat casting, so it acted reduce mana. Ofc that's certainly not the version we'll about to have but again, the staff got no crit, no cast spd. Dont think we can say much b4 seeing the stat of Echo support gem.

Well you dont need any extra stats to get the 1/3 casttime. Casting a spell which then gets repeated makes it 3 spells per activation. IF the gem got a heavy dmg reduction and no increases at all it is balanced. Thats why i asked about a preview gem or something ^^


It will probably work like multistrike and not the echo shrine itself. Which would increase cast spd like mad but less dmg each, so overall increase dmg is only like 1.6-1.8 mulitplier, which is good, but not insane.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 23 2014 14:19 GMT
#15451
Level 30 gem sounds absolutely bonkers though

If we assume the same progression as multistrike, it'll give 87% increased spell damage, 117% increased cast speed

Sometimes you're cruisin' along flameblasting and a random rare with the allies reflect ele damage mod pops up and you get wrecked, it's as easy as that.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
June 23 2014 14:34 GMT
#15452
It will definitely not giving the same amount of spell dmg as GGG often scale phy dmg and spell dmg in a different way. We cant really say anything at this point. The staff is good, around Doryani's Catalyst level of good since it was planned to drop in its place. We'll just have to wait and see.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
June 23 2014 14:54 GMT
#15453
On June 23 2014 23:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
Level 30 gem sounds absolutely bonkers though

If we assume the same progression as multistrike, it'll give 87% increased spell damage, 117% increased cast speed

Sometimes you're cruisin' along flameblasting and a random rare with the allies reflect ele damage mod pops up and you get wrecked, it's as easy as that.

yeah I think the level 30 gem is the biggest part of how strong this is. The closest comparable thing is Doon Cuebiyari but I'm pretty sure that Spell Echo is going to be much stronger than Iron Will.
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Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
June 24 2014 00:27 GMT
#15454
On June 23 2014 22:41 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 22:33 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:27 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:23 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 22:08 vndestiny wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:59 bluQ wrote:
On June 23 2014 00:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, playing flameblast is basically asking to RIP to reflect. You can mitigate the chances of it happening, but it will eventually happen.
Not if u are not stupid. You just shoudlnt blast into a vaal cyclone without having an overview of what got pulled then u wont die to reflect.
On June 23 2014 10:00 Nocticate wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


hnnnnnnnngggggg
coming next patch to a shop on standard nowhere near your price range!

opieOP? Why they only created so gamebreaking items :/


I don't think the staff is that OP tbh. It's strictly worse than a well roll staff/ dual wand / dual dagger dmg wise. The good thing it got going is the 7th link echo, but will that overcome +3 gem rare staff have ? The unique mod mana bonus is good though, but not game breaker imo, since you sack a shield slot.

Umm correct me if I presume wrong things, but spell echo sounds like the echoing shrine.
If thats true repeated skills would mean you divide your casttime by 3. Thats a crazy dps increase for many spellcaster builds.
I can't see why this staff won't be "best in slot" for many selfcasting-type builds.

The only limitation right now that I can see is that some builds will be even more out of control in terms of lightthorns; GMP freezepulse with echo; LT reeep.

And on a fun note; I really want to see Crit Staff SpecThrow CoC builds with that staff.


The leak version of echo at the time where ball lightning got leak didnt have the cast spd increase, only the repeat casting, so it acted reduce mana. Ofc that's certainly not the version we'll about to have but again, the staff got no crit, no cast spd. Dont think we can say much b4 seeing the stat of Echo support gem.

Well you dont need any extra stats to get the 1/3 casttime. Casting a spell which then gets repeated makes it 3 spells per activation. IF the gem got a heavy dmg reduction and no increases at all it is balanced. Thats why i asked about a preview gem or something ^^


It will probably work like multistrike and not the echo shrine itself. Which would increase cast spd like mad but less dmg each, so overall increase dmg is only like 1.6-1.8 mulitplier, which is good, but not insane.

The echo shrine is really weird with leap slam. Its constantly desynced.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
FalconHoof
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada183 Posts
June 24 2014 02:01 GMT
#15455
On June 24 2014 09:27 Varanice wrote:
The echo shrine is really weird with leap slam. Its constantly desynced.


I only ever got one echoing shrine in all my time and it was in a 67 Wharf Map. I remember it vividly cause I was on my crit spectral throw character and I could fill half the screen with pizza boxes in one click, but I also remember that if I wasnt doing dmg it drained my mana verrrrrrrry quickly

That staff is absolutely insane. 6-linked, it will probably be the most ridiculously awesomest staff ever. /drool. I like it cause it brings a bit of excitement as to whats on the docket. Gonna be some awesome builds with these sorts of weapons.
Masturbation this good deserves it's own foreplay.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 24 2014 03:06 GMT
#15456
On June 24 2014 11:01 MaRCsoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 09:27 Varanice wrote:
The echo shrine is really weird with leap slam. Its constantly desynced.


I only ever got one echoing shrine in all my time and it was in a 67 Wharf Map. I remember it vividly cause I was on my crit spectral throw character and I could fill half the screen with pizza boxes in one click, but I also remember that if I wasnt doing dmg it drained my mana verrrrrrrry quickly

That staff is absolutely insane. 6-linked, it will probably be the most ridiculously awesomest staff ever. /drool. I like it cause it brings a bit of excitement as to whats on the docket. Gonna be some awesome builds with these sorts of weapons.


I bet it will also get legacy'd after a little while, unless it turns out Spell Echo is really weak.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
June 24 2014 10:03 GMT
#15457
lol echo, CoC not crazy enough?
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 10:25:56
June 24 2014 10:25 GMT
#15458
On June 24 2014 19:03 Probemicro wrote:
lol echo, CoC not crazy enough?

Echo-CoC will certainly be crazier
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 24 2014 15:45 GMT
#15459
On June 24 2014 19:25 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 19:03 Probemicro wrote:
lol echo, CoC not crazy enough?

Echo-CoC will certainly be crazier


And suddenly the playerbase of PoE dropped by 50% as toasters were instantly fried.
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FalconHoof
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada183 Posts
June 24 2014 17:25 GMT
#15460
I dreamed that Tarkleigh gave me an echo gem last night...I linked it to GMP and fireball and went apeshit. The Reddit thread on this gem had a ton of theorycrafting, the most interesting things I found were Incinerate, Vaal Spark, and just Spark in general. What do you guys think? I can't imagine that the new gems will be as gamebreaking as we're making them out to be but I'm sure they will be a ton of fun to play!
Masturbation this good deserves it's own foreplay.
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