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On March 02 2013 15:04 r.Evo wrote:Some quick notes: -Most of the +15% resist nodes seem overkill. Hell, I'm capped with crappy gear, purity and one diamond skin node atm. If you really want them, spec out of them later -With the same idea in mind, I don't think rushing to the bottom simply for Diamond Skin and Armour Master is worth it -I mean, sure, most people put defense over offense but... how are you going to do damage? =P Edit: Oh. EK. Since I haven't gone for that, do people really take zero damage nodes for it? Also if you go EK you might want to think about some Armour passives at least. I saw someone twoshot themselves on a reflect mob. =P
my EK build is amazing I think
i don't go damage nodes.. I just get mass strength and life and a few specific other nodes. more strength means more life, but also means more damage with iron will which also synergizes with all my other gems. I go for no cast speed and no crit because i 1hit or maybe 2 hit most stuff anyways. and im just getting warmed up!
I don't think i've seen anyone else use a build like mine, not to brag or anything but im pretty sure this is really good
looking at this other guys build, it's interesting. it's tankier but it must kill much slower, and i wouldn't like using a shield. also it heavily requires dex
also regarding physical reflect, i've never come close to actually dying to it. it gets maybe half my life and then i pop my granite flask. are you sure this guy is going EK though he doesn't have dex nodes
read his post that he is using blood magic for EK, I guess that's why his build takes insane regen
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Mind linking your build travis? Now you got me curious, I think I might be underestimating Iron Will. :>
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On March 02 2013 18:49 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 15:04 r.Evo wrote:Some quick notes: -Most of the +15% resist nodes seem overkill. Hell, I'm capped with crappy gear, purity and one diamond skin node atm. If you really want them, spec out of them later -With the same idea in mind, I don't think rushing to the bottom simply for Diamond Skin and Armour Master is worth it -I mean, sure, most people put defense over offense but... how are you going to do damage? =P Edit: Oh. EK. Since I haven't gone for that, do people really take zero damage nodes for it? Also if you go EK you might want to think about some Armour passives at least. I saw someone twoshot themselves on a reflect mob. =P my EK build is amazing I think i don't go damage nodes.. I just get mass strength and life and a few specific other nodes. more strength means more life, but also means more damage with iron will which also synergizes with all my other gems. I go for no cast speed and no crit because i 1hit or maybe 2 hit most stuff anyways. and im just getting warmed up! I don't think i've seen anyone else use a build like mine, not to brag or anything but im pretty sure this is really good looking at this other guys build, it's interesting. it's tankier but it must kill much slower, and i wouldn't like using a shield. also it heavily requires dex also regarding physical reflect, i've never come close to actually dying to it. it gets maybe half my life and then i pop my granite flask. are you sure this guy is going EK though he doesn't have dex nodes read his post that he is using blood magic for EK, I guess that's why his build takes insane regen
lol. whats so special, sounds quite normal.
With Ek you have to stack life and armor in HC, using no spelldmg and faster casting passives instead reduces the dmg taken when crtting. IMO there are exactly 2 EK builds: EB or not-EB.
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im 73 right now so i will have this filled out soon. right now my chest is a crappy 6link (no complaints hey it's 6link). i run ek, fork(it's best after experimenting), iron will, added fire damage, added chaos damage, mana leech. so vs any type of resist i still hurt with 2 types of my damage, and the ek/fire damage/chaos damage all benefit from iron will.
im still working on gear but my primary affixes are 1.) strength [more damage, more life] 2.) life
maxing resists also important. move speed on boots is good too of course.
vs a room full of magic badasses even that shoot projectiles what tends to happen is i run in the room and i instantly clear them well before they can kill me. just pow pow, whole room is dead. i dual weild wands, all that is important on the wands is as much spell damage as possible and projectile speed because EK shoots farther.
i run vitality/purity/hatred(so awesome) from my mana with reduced mana gem, which works well wit hthe reduced mana reserved nodes. i run clarity and grace from health also with reduced mana.
im not quite there yet but after i fill these nodes out im gonna grab all the nearby +20% mana regen nodes and i should be good to take out my mana leech and replace it with faster projectiles. then i will have a leveled mana leech gem for maps without mana regen.
since i do most damage to enemies that are in clumps due to fork, sometimes a rare or a unique by itself can be trouble. so i have bear trap with iron will, added fire, added chaos. along with hatred it hits like a bus and when i drop that down 3 times most stuff is dead or will be soon.
looking at it now i think i might drop one of the 8% energy shield/armor nodes. not sure.
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I don't think I'd have the balls to go double wand in HC lol, otherwise its pretty standard to go mass Fitness nodes and grab iron will for EK imo. I'm really partial to grabbing Eldritch Battery +Discipline though-even if I only have a few ES pieces.
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travis, it would take you 3 points and an added lightning damage gem to mass shock mobs- not worth it ?
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Would recommend a quality lightning over chaos. Getting a good one is going to set you back pretty far though. Shock gives you another multiplicative gain as opposed to the flat damage that chaos adds.
Are you constantly chugging mana flasks or do you maintain off mana leech alone?
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How the cookies crumble......now RIP my 32 dude. Joined a public Piety party, and without notice the level 3 portal was set next to Kole. Took 5-10 seconds to load into a Resurrect button.
Not even a big deal, just frustrating of the time I wasted. Might liquidate everything and just play Default League.
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On March 03 2013 00:48 Slardar wrote:
How the cookies crumble......now RIP my 32 dude. Joined a public Piety party, and without notice the level 3 portal was set next to Kole. Took 5-10 seconds to load into a Resurrect button.
Not even a big deal, just frustrating of the time I wasted. Might liquidate everything and just play Default League.
Kole is on level 2, I don't think there is any named in level 3 besides Piety. I think it's for the best though. I could facetank Kole in Normal and I rolled over Piety easily before getting stunned to death by rhoas in cruel shipyard.
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One of the things I regret for going Dex based for evasion as an ek is that my 200str won't receive the benefits of iron will but the extra dmg reduction I get from IR will allow me to get es gear meaning more mana or I could just get more dmg reduction but 66 @ 73 is pretty good I feel . my dmg is still pretty good using ek,chain,faster projectiles,added fire,mana leec is working petty good I'm planning to switch to life leech when I get some regen nodes soon but won't need it for a few more lvls when I move up to 69maps.
Also idk how you can say fork is better than chain. With faster projectiles and chain I have so much range I pretty much just hit things from the edge of my screen and I notice dead mobs from almost two screens over. And even when they are close together I just position my self in the middle and see my ek chain sideways and backwards. I sometimes debate whether to take it off or not but I just don't can't see my self doing as much aoe dmg
And you are nuts going double wand as an ek.. with all the horror stories of eks 1shotting themselves lol
Also looking at your build it you go over to the right side of witch for life nodes but it just seems to make more sense to go into duelist for the life/armor nodes there also can maybe even get IR or the golems blood + mana regen nodes on the way there or even the thick skin which is toward mid 80's but got to think long term!
I really like the idea of getting static blows and a qual added lightning support! maybe when I get a 6L though as I feel Life leech is more important atm.
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PSA LUCK CAN KILL YOU
18:07 - Blitzkrieg0: ugh i got ms boots and died
18:07 - Blitzkrieg0: i was so excited about them
18:07 - Blitzkrieg0: that i died
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On March 03 2013 00:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Would recommend a quality lightning over chaos. Getting a good one is going to set you back pretty far though. Shock gives you another multiplicative gain as opposed to the flat damage that chaos adds.
Are you constantly chugging mana flasks or do you maintain off mana leech alone?
On March 02 2013 20:10 Monsen wrote:
travis, it would take you 3 points and an added lightning damage gem to mass shock mobs- not worth it ?
There are a couple reasons I don't want lightnign
1.) I cast very slowly. I do maintain off mana leech but it takes about .5 second for my mana to fill back up every time I cast. so I cast, stutter, cast, stutter, etc. so even if monsters survived long enough for shock to benefit me I wouldn't be able to cast much during the shocks.
2.) it would be 3 types of elemental, I would be weaker vs elemental resist.
3.) the big reason is that I don't need to shock. when i see a big group of enemies they die in 1 hit or at most 2 hits anyways.
On March 03 2013 01:47 Obstikal wrote:
Also idk how you can say fork is better than chain. With faster projectiles and chain I have so much range I pretty much just hit things from the edge of my screen and I notice dead mobs from almost two screens over. And even when they are close together I just position my self in the middle and see my ek chain sideways and backwards. I sometimes debate whether to take it off or not but I just don't can't see my self doing as much aoe dmg
And you are nuts going double wand as an ek.. with all the horror stories of eks 1shotting themselves lol
Also looking at your build it you go over to the right side of witch for life nodes but it just seems to make more sense to go into duelist for the life/armor nodes there also can maybe even get IR or the golems blood + mana regen nodes on the way there or even the thick skin which is toward mid 80's but got to think long term!
I really like the idea of getting static blows and a qual added lightning support! maybe when I get a 6L though as I feel Life leech is more important atm.
I go to the edge of my screen too. with my experimentation fork goes farther than chain.
And I am not hardcore lol, I am softcore. I have died several times but it is due to carelessness not due to the build. Maybe I am missing something though but I have never been close to 1 shotting myself from physical reflect. It's gotten to the point where I recognize the aura so I just pop a granite flask..
tbh the reason I didn't go duelist was originally I was going to go EB but I found I didn't actually need it and I do want the intelligence so it works out fine. if I get high enough level and find I can respect and go down to those nodes without having mana problems and have enough int for my wands I will do it but the life difference is minimal, though the regen is nice.
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Damn, just lost another hc character because some boss froze me and swarmed me with all his minions (act 1 merciless)... <.<
Having never been frozen before in the entire game, I wonder how many hc I still need to lose to such trial and error moments...
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On March 03 2013 02:15 JustPassingBy wrote:
Damn, just lost another hc character because some boss froze me and swarmed me with all his minions (act 1 merciless)... <.<
Having never been frozen before in the entire game, I wonder how many hc I still need to lose to such trial and error moments...
Quite an achievement that you never used a flask of Heat until merci.
Instant heal + iron skin granite + heat are 3 essential flasks in HC. I think its mentioned in the new players thread.
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You aren't using the lightning damage for damage so the resist thing is irrelevant, but just to entertain the idea:
Do you have any idea what percentage of your damage is physical, fire, cold, and chaos already? You should already be split pretty well between elemental and physical (naturally physical heavy, but probably 70-30). Added Chaos Damage doesn't scale very well since it isn't percentage based like added fire or hatred. A shock on the initial projectile would then fork and get the shock bonus. A shock would more than make up for any sort of damage loss you'd incur from elemental resistance. The fact that added chaos damage doesn't actually do more damage than the other gems despite having no modifiers like elemental damage or lightning damage also doesn't help matters. You don't do enough chaos damage to ignore energy shields so that point of chaos damage provides you no benefit.
It isn't about needing shock, but the fact that you can increase your damage for practically no tradeoff. Added Lightning does comparable damage to the Added Chaos damage gem along with providing a status debuff that is imbalanced. I guess theoretically shocks would make physical reflect mobs do more damage to you, but the chances of that being the cause of your death seem rather insignificant. You also have a 6L so I'm going to assume the cost factor of a quality lightning doesn't matter.
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Alright, so I'm finally stepping into the game after reading so much good things about it.
While I'm downloading, of course I'm planning a build, but not having played the game yet makes it a bit of a theoretical exercice.
Good thing you guys are here !
Here's the link
The basic idea is : Tank, 2H hammer, lightning. I added cold to diversify. So probably Lightning Strike/Glacial Hammer, alternating betweeen the 2 because of Elemental Balance. I guess this could dish out some damage...
So, what do you guys think ? If that's not viable, how would you do a build that fits into my "basic idea" ?
Thanks and see you ingame sometimes !
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Elemental equilibrium isn't worth the trouble of using it in the current state of the game. The benefits it provides are eclipsed by the opportunity cost it incurs in terms of gear selection and aura usage. Lightning strike is typically used with a fast weapon (dagger) as well so I'm not sure how that would work out, but you could try it. I'd steer away from EE, especially as a first build though. Your build would be better by just not taking the node and keeping everything else the same.
Some small nitpicks and general build information though- don't use all 120 points. An 80 point version is a good starting point. You need your build to work before level 100.
- You probably want blood magic (or eldritch battery).
- The marauder tree starting area is extremely good use of your passive points as any class
- You have zero DEX nodes. You will need some for gems almost certainly.
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alright i'll give added lightning damage a try rather than being stubborn because it does sound like it has merit
however im worried that the mobs i need it against the most won't have long enough shock duration for me to benefit from it. which makes me wonder if i should actually get conductivity to throw on said mobs if i do this
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Ok, so let's say no EE. I can cut the cold damage altogether then ? I was afraid of lightning resistant mobs, but I guess I have enough physical damage ?
Also, could you be a bit more specific about the opportunity costs you're talking about ? Or point out somewhere I can read about that ?
Lightning strike with fast weapon, so there's more proc ? Or is there something else I missed, because it does a % of weapon damage, which should be as good on fast but weak weapon as it is on slower but stronger ones ?
So many questions...
don't use all 120 points. An 80 point version is a good starting point. You need your build to work before level 100.
That's a very good point :D
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Actually, added chaos damage adds about 2x the amount of the ice/lightning. The problem is that in most cases, the damage added is less than 25%, so you're much better off with the ~12% of lightning + OP shock.
Added chaos damage could be OK on low damage spells like ice nova or arctic breath, but why would you use these spells in the first place?
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