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Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 03:42:33
January 28 2013 03:37 GMT
#4261
On January 28 2013 12:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 11:59 Obstikal wrote:
Died on lvl 37 on act3 boss with quarter health left... I dont know where I went wrong :'(

she killed me so fast.. went from full 740/376 to 0 in seconds, I drained my giant hp flasks and tried to run away but it was too late.. all this within 2-3seconds


Did you get hit by a long range ice spear?


I wish there was a combat log but its too late even if there was..

From what I remember she just gave me some regular melee hits possibly crits in her regular form.. It just happened all so quickly its hard to recall exactly in detail.. The funny part is that I was able to tank(well maybe not tank but I recall her hitting me quite a few times in both forms early on and I never dropped more than 3/4 life) her hits in both forms and really felt the fight to be easy. Then all of the sudden she just focuses me down with a few melee hits so I smashed my 1-2 giant life flasks and I was starting to run away when I died.

I feel rather unmotivated at the moment..
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
January 28 2013 03:38 GMT
#4262
Is life leech with chain better than life gain on hit with chain?
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 28 2013 03:48 GMT
#4263
On January 28 2013 12:38 Tennet wrote:
Is life leech with chain better than life gain on hit with chain?


Life leech is better once you do enough damage. Life gain on hit is far superior early on though. You only leech off your physical damage though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
January 28 2013 04:00 GMT
#4264
On January 28 2013 12:37 Obstikal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 12:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On January 28 2013 11:59 Obstikal wrote:
Died on lvl 37 on act3 boss with quarter health left... I dont know where I went wrong :'(

she killed me so fast.. went from full 740/376 to 0 in seconds, I drained my giant hp flasks and tried to run away but it was too late.. all this within 2-3seconds


Did you get hit by a long range ice spear?


I wish there was a combat log but its too late even if there was..

From what I remember she just gave me some regular melee hits possibly crits in her regular form.. It just happened all so quickly its hard to recall exactly in detail.. The funny part is that I was able to tank(well maybe not tank but I recall her hitting me quite a few times in both forms early on and I never dropped more than 3/4 life) her hits in both forms and really felt the fight to be easy. Then all of the sudden she just focuses me down with a few melee hits so I smashed my 1-2 giant life flasks and I was starting to run away when I died.

I feel rather unmotivated at the moment..


Darn, too late now but just did that boss on my 37 mara running conduit + endurance charges in a party. Tough fight definately... if not for quicksilver flasks I might not have made it (we lost one in the group). Definately wanna cap cold res for that one- can't run away from the ice arrows if it gets nasty!
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 04:04:07
January 28 2013 04:01 GMT
#4265
edit: i answered my first question myself. and i am disappoint


also, what happens with weapon elemental damage if you crit?
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
January 28 2013 04:58 GMT
#4266
On January 28 2013 13:01 travis wrote:
edit: i answered my first question myself. and i am disappoint


also, what happens with weapon elemental damage if you crit?


Pretty sure it procs the secondary effect of the element (shock, ignite, freeze/chill).
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
January 28 2013 04:58 GMT
#4267
depending on what element you have on your weapon, you should apply the ignite / freeze / shock status.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 05:59:43
January 28 2013 05:35 GMT
#4268
On January 28 2013 12:33 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 11:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Do you normally 5L your AoE or your single target first? I'm using Elemental Hit and Lightning Arrow currently and have a 4L as well.

LA+Fork+LifeLeech+Mana Leech
Elemental Hit+Weapon elemental Damage+Mana Leech

I'm intending to pick up blood magic sooner or later, but right now I don't have the damage and life leech to sustain it. Also unsure of what other support gems I should be looking for. Faster attacks would be nice, but I'm already killing my mana with my bow's base attack. I'm gonna pick up a LifeLeech for the Elemental hit, but I'm lost after that.

+ Show Spoiler [my sexy armor] +
[image loading]


Paid a few arms and leg for this but ^_^


wow sexy armor rofl.

im the same as you. right now tho im only 26 at normal vaal(2nd char,screwed up my first)
Planning to go LA/Elemental hit too for now,going change to split arrow.
Right now im using the following.
LA+Fork+LMP (using it as a shotgun. gather monsters next to each other and hit the middle guys)
Frenzy+WED

Goal for 4Ls(with blood magic)
AOE: LA+Life leech+Chain(can still stick with fork)+LMP
Single: Elemental hit+WED+Faster attack+life leech

5Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+ Increased Critical Damage
Single: leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Increased Critical damage+Faster Attacks

6Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+Faster Attacks+Increased Critical Damage
Single: Leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Faster Attacks+Culling Strike+Increased Critical Damage
I don't know where the trend for Split Arrow + WED comes from, but Lightning Arrow is most likely better with 5L. LA + LMP + WED + (LoHit+Chain). On a 4 mob pack, you would hit 36 times, with a base of ~25% damage, times ~1.7 as almost all your damage would be elemental. Also, LMP + LA + Chain all give Projectile damage, giving you about +105% at gem level 15.

Split Arrow only increases physical damage, and doesn't convert, so WED really isn't that effective. It also costs more mana.

Elemental hit is still very powerful for single target, however. I'd like to see the exact numbers, but anything above 6-360 base lightning damage makes it easily the best single target attack beside a dedicated frenzy build. Burning Arrow + WED barely outdamages Ice Shot + WED, so I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed it; 50% physical to fire conversion with a ~120% base and +projectile damage% sounds about right.

Note: I claimed that Chain wasn't that valuable anymore and I was wrong. Most mobs they added are in smaller numbers, and Chain is the only option that is just as strong for 5 mobs than 20. Fork/Pierce are better to farm western forest or maps with ridiculous pack size, but for A3, chain > Fork, it's not even close.
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
January 28 2013 06:12 GMT
#4269
Nugiyen is where the trend came from but even he uses LA now and doesn't like split since it just doesn't work.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 28 2013 06:45 GMT
#4270
Screw all those fancy second rate spells, all you need is the NotSorry's special Ice Arrow.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 28 2013 06:48 GMT
#4271
Yeah I'm in the camp where I have the skills I want but getting a Energy shield 5L chest/4L helm/4L gloves with the socket colours I need at a decent iLevel is quite a pain :/. It seems like only equipment people sell in Trade chat are junk rares with an occasional unique that is worthless for my build haha.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
January 28 2013 07:26 GMT
#4272
On January 28 2013 15:12 Tennet wrote:
Nugiyen is where the trend came from but even he uses LA now and doesn't like split since it just doesn't work.


Actually nugiyen also uses Split Arrow over LA.

For the WED gem, the thing is it doesn't matter your not converting your physical to elemental damage. The gem increases your bow's elemental damage by 61% just by being there.

As for Lightning Arrow / Split Arrow / Iceshot, it doesn't matter which i use. You can change the shot as you wish. Elemental Bow builds its flexible that way.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
January 28 2013 07:30 GMT
#4273
Found a Chain gem off a random drop, time to make Bank ;D.
sk1nex
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland299 Posts
January 28 2013 07:51 GMT
#4274
Im building a witch focused around ES+Cold+Crit, on Softcore. Would you guys recommend getting +max health on top of focusing to ES? And if yes, would you suggest on getting as much max HP as possible, or what? Im so far only level 22, and im not sure on how much the difficulty will scale up. So far im doing good with just ES, but i'd hate to find out that im terribly wrong later on.
"Im at Quakecon, Gonna win the Duel and TDM. Quake is easy" (c) 2GD | NTHNTHNTHNTHNTHNTH
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 08:04:56
January 28 2013 08:03 GMT
#4275
On January 28 2013 14:35 Pwere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 12:33 Mithhaike wrote:
On January 28 2013 11:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Do you normally 5L your AoE or your single target first? I'm using Elemental Hit and Lightning Arrow currently and have a 4L as well.

LA+Fork+LifeLeech+Mana Leech
Elemental Hit+Weapon elemental Damage+Mana Leech

I'm intending to pick up blood magic sooner or later, but right now I don't have the damage and life leech to sustain it. Also unsure of what other support gems I should be looking for. Faster attacks would be nice, but I'm already killing my mana with my bow's base attack. I'm gonna pick up a LifeLeech for the Elemental hit, but I'm lost after that.

+ Show Spoiler [my sexy armor] +
[image loading]


Paid a few arms and leg for this but ^_^


wow sexy armor rofl.

im the same as you. right now tho im only 26 at normal vaal(2nd char,screwed up my first)
Planning to go LA/Elemental hit too for now,going change to split arrow.
Right now im using the following.
LA+Fork+LMP (using it as a shotgun. gather monsters next to each other and hit the middle guys)
Frenzy+WED

Goal for 4Ls(with blood magic)
AOE: LA+Life leech+Chain(can still stick with fork)+LMP
Single: Elemental hit+WED+Faster attack+life leech

5Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+ Increased Critical Damage
Single: leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Increased Critical damage+Faster Attacks

6Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+Faster Attacks+Increased Critical Damage
Single: Leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Faster Attacks+Culling Strike+Increased Critical Damage
I don't know where the trend for Split Arrow + WED comes from, but Lightning Arrow is most likely better with 5L. LA + LMP + WED + (LoHit+Chain). On a 4 mob pack, you would hit 36 times, with a base of ~25% damage, times ~1.7 as almost all your damage would be elemental. Also, LMP + LA + Chain all give Projectile damage, giving you about +105% at gem level 15.

Split Arrow only increases physical damage, and doesn't convert, so WED really isn't that effective. It also costs more mana.

Elemental hit is still very powerful for single target, however. I'd like to see the exact numbers, but anything above 6-360 base lightning damage makes it easily the best single target attack beside a dedicated frenzy build. Burning Arrow + WED barely outdamages Ice Shot + WED, so I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed it; 50% physical to fire conversion with a ~120% base and +projectile damage% sounds about right.

Note: I claimed that Chain wasn't that valuable anymore and I was wrong. Most mobs they added are in smaller numbers, and Chain is the only option that is just as strong for 5 mobs than 20. Fork/Pierce are better to farm western forest or maps with ridiculous pack size, but for A3, chain > Fork, it's not even close.



Split Arrow + WED + Added Fire outdamages the new LA. LA doesn't shock anymore so doesn't do idiotic amounts of damage. Added Fire is based off your phys dmg, so having it with split arrow + wed makes it do idiotic amounts of dmg.
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 08:11:03
January 28 2013 08:10 GMT
#4276
On January 28 2013 16:51 sk1nex wrote:
Im building a witch focused around ES+Cold+Crit, on Softcore. Would you guys recommend getting +max health on top of focusing to ES? And if yes, would you suggest on getting as much max HP as possible, or what? Im so far only level 22, and im not sure on how much the difficulty will scale up. So far im doing good with just ES, but i'd hate to find out that im terribly wrong later on.


I'm playing pretty much the same(although playing shadow) and on lvl 48 I am a glasscannon, thats why I'll go for CI+Bloodrage with Ghost Reaver and try to survive more, though I didn't test it yet and I am a noob myself :D

Here is my build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAv4HYwj0DkgRLxGWFecWvxdUF9gigSycLL8tHzvhQsNEq0cGVa5XK13yXvpfam0ZcFJw1XNTc7N5A3_Gh9uIQot6jDaOPI-mj_qZmp2joqOnK7b3wFHAVMHFwfPQOdVP2-fed9-E4vfjhOtj8GvyHfPq_Ks=
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
January 28 2013 09:55 GMT
#4277
Does Zealots Oath + Chaos Inoculation make health pots regen shield?
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
January 28 2013 10:15 GMT
#4278
On January 28 2013 17:03 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 14:35 Pwere wrote:
On January 28 2013 12:33 Mithhaike wrote:
On January 28 2013 11:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Do you normally 5L your AoE or your single target first? I'm using Elemental Hit and Lightning Arrow currently and have a 4L as well.

LA+Fork+LifeLeech+Mana Leech
Elemental Hit+Weapon elemental Damage+Mana Leech

I'm intending to pick up blood magic sooner or later, but right now I don't have the damage and life leech to sustain it. Also unsure of what other support gems I should be looking for. Faster attacks would be nice, but I'm already killing my mana with my bow's base attack. I'm gonna pick up a LifeLeech for the Elemental hit, but I'm lost after that.

+ Show Spoiler [my sexy armor] +
[image loading]


Paid a few arms and leg for this but ^_^


wow sexy armor rofl.

im the same as you. right now tho im only 26 at normal vaal(2nd char,screwed up my first)
Planning to go LA/Elemental hit too for now,going change to split arrow.
Right now im using the following.
LA+Fork+LMP (using it as a shotgun. gather monsters next to each other and hit the middle guys)
Frenzy+WED

Goal for 4Ls(with blood magic)
AOE: LA+Life leech+Chain(can still stick with fork)+LMP
Single: Elemental hit+WED+Faster attack+life leech

5Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+ Increased Critical Damage
Single: leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Increased Critical damage+Faster Attacks

6Ls
AOE: Leveled Split Arrow+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Chain+Faster Attacks+Increased Critical Damage
Single: Leveled Elemental hit+Life Leech+Weapon Elemental Damage+Faster Attacks+Culling Strike+Increased Critical Damage
I don't know where the trend for Split Arrow + WED comes from, but Lightning Arrow is most likely better with 5L. LA + LMP + WED + (LoHit+Chain). On a 4 mob pack, you would hit 36 times, with a base of ~25% damage, times ~1.7 as almost all your damage would be elemental. Also, LMP + LA + Chain all give Projectile damage, giving you about +105% at gem level 15.

Split Arrow only increases physical damage, and doesn't convert, so WED really isn't that effective. It also costs more mana.

Elemental hit is still very powerful for single target, however. I'd like to see the exact numbers, but anything above 6-360 base lightning damage makes it easily the best single target attack beside a dedicated frenzy build. Burning Arrow + WED barely outdamages Ice Shot + WED, so I wouldn't be surprised if they buffed it; 50% physical to fire conversion with a ~120% base and +projectile damage% sounds about right.

Note: I claimed that Chain wasn't that valuable anymore and I was wrong. Most mobs they added are in smaller numbers, and Chain is the only option that is just as strong for 5 mobs than 20. Fork/Pierce are better to farm western forest or maps with ridiculous pack size, but for A3, chain > Fork, it's not even close.



Split Arrow + WED + Added Fire outdamages the new LA. LA doesn't shock anymore so doesn't do idiotic amounts of damage. Added Fire is based off your phys dmg, so having it with split arrow + wed makes it do idiotic amounts of dmg.


LA itself doesn't shock yes.But your personal shock damage does still shock. Wrath aura for one. It's still pretty good to use
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 28 2013 10:16 GMT
#4279
On January 28 2013 10:06 Mohdoo wrote:
When are people gonna stop being surprised when an open beta results in server instability. Its the entire purpose of an open beta.

Exactly. Give them at least 2-3 weeks to get enough servers up and running, I'm sure they are very aware and want to fix it, so there's no use whining about it. Especially not when the servers have worked very smoothly before they opened the beta.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-28 10:44:08
January 28 2013 10:29 GMT
#4280
Do gems naturally start at 0% gem quality and increase randomly for each gemcutter prism? Whats the max gem quality?
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