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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10830 Posts
August 23 2022 07:01 GMT
#33701
Since i stopped playing much for the first 2-3 days of a league (reaching maps probably tomorrow), i normally avoid the harshest problems of "beta week". You should try it, after the first 1-2 leagues it doesn't even feel strange and the game is more fun .

This obviously isn't a good thing but at least most stuff gets fixed pretty fast usually.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 23 2022 12:11 GMT
#33702
No, I'm with you - I usually just watch the first couple weeks of any league I play because inevitably something is going to go horribly wrong, hah. I'm still casually chipping away so I'm at least in maps and such when things get fixed. I wish they'd do better playtesting to sort out these issues and I think after ten years they should be better at it, but world ain't perfect.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8619 Posts
August 23 2022 14:58 GMT
#33703
On August 23 2022 09:13 haitike wrote:
Reddit is insane. So much negativity and crying about everything.

Altough GGG really screwed it nerfing the map loot and juicing so much and not even mentioning it in the patch notes.


People who say GGG should have communicated this beforehand, including myself, are both correct and wrong at the same time. I think they should have communicated it. I also think there would have been massive outrage either way. Look at the outrage they received after communicating a slight nerf to defenses...
I assume they tried to hide this and hoped nobody would notice. This would be a pretty bad sign tbh because to me it would show that GGG has partly given up on communication because the loud part of the community (i.e. reddit) is so insanely toxic and unreasonable that they are unable to please them _and_ implement their vision in any way, shape or form. I liked how open GGG was but this dishonesty, if it's the case, speaks boundaries about the widening gap between GGG and the community. One argument in favour of this theory is the stealth nerf to bases they admitted to.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14069 Posts
August 23 2022 15:02 GMT
#33704
On August 23 2022 11:53 Southlight wrote:
I'm still holding out hope it wasn't meant to be this drastic and they have a live build bug or something.

They addressed in their what we are working on that this was intended.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8619 Posts
August 23 2022 15:50 GMT
#33705
"Monsters can no longer be found with the Empowering Minions modifier during the campaign."

I had 2 of these and found this very funny as they turned into 6 archnemesis mod rares and I had the patch notes in mind saying "no more than 2!". I also finished the "unnatural foes" challenge before reaching maps. I'm not sure they intended that.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 23 2022 17:52 GMT
#33706
On August 24 2022 00:02 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2022 11:53 Southlight wrote:
I'm still holding out hope it wasn't meant to be this drastic and they have a live build bug or something.

They addressed in their what we are working on that this was intended.


Not quite true.

The second reason is that we removed a massive historic bonus to item quantity and/or rarity that applied to some league-specific monsters. We replaced it with a moderate (2-3x) increase to item quantity, to offset the fact that they often have more life than regular monsters and some cannot drop maps.

There have been no other reward-affecting changes that we are aware of, but we will investigate to see if there are any unanticipated consequences of some other change.

Our intention with these changes is to modify certain league content that was out-of-line with other content so that it has a similar reward profile. These changes are important, but we understand they have reduced overall rewards that players receive.

We are going to compensate elsewhere, but we don't want to just increase the raw number of items that are dropped. Most items are immediately filtered out. We want to increase the number of relevant items that drop.


When a campaign unique boss drops diddlysquat I have a hard time comprehending what league mechanic is in play that was making it drop 5+ items before. Thus the follow-up today:

Despite the changes we discussed yesterday, we still don't feel that things are in the right place regarding many of the issues raised by the community


I still feel like either something got really fucky with numbers some way or they're flat-out lying, and I don't feel like they've had a precedent of doing the latter outright.

With regards to the stealth changes to drops, they did also mention during streams that they've also been stealthily increasing drops for years, so I wonder where the outrage is for that. Hmm. Something about double standards, eh?
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
August 26 2022 07:26 GMT
#33707
On August 20 2022 14:53 HolydaKing wrote:
Didn't post here yesterday, but the league start hype is still real for me. Know what? I rolled Chieftain Artillery Ballista and it starts being quite OK! But I switched way too early, should have done so at like lvl 50 instead of instantly. Having near zero damage early on due to Marauder pathing made for a 15 minutes norrmal lab while rushing lmao.


How's the Chieftain going? Also rolled AB Chieftain with much less prep (and time to play) than usual so it was a bit haphazard; up to high yellows / early reds. Some AN combos can be tanky but finding it fairly typical SSF progress - feel very disconnected from the Reddit brouhaha.

Dumb question - if you're using Iron Reflexes, is there any reason to use ARM/EVA bases over pure EVA due to the latter having higher spell suppression weighting?
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 26 2022 07:45 GMT
#33708
I think the SSF issue is mostly to do with end-game item progression with the crippling Harvest nerfs. I'm not really sure what options are left. Also loot droprate nerf in general has skyrocketed the prices of things on trade - some uniques went from like 5-10c to like 20e/d which is some crazy inflation.

It does seem like blue map sustain is perfectly fine though, and after going "hmm?" early in campaign my mapping sort of stabilized. It's in a "whatever" state now, where once Lake becomes less unrewarding it should give item acquisition decent bump, unwieldiness of the map and retries aside. I just worry about the ability to scale gear past a certain point.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22031 Posts
August 26 2022 08:49 GMT
#33709
On August 26 2022 16:45 Southlight wrote:
I think the SSF issue is mostly to do with end-game item progression with the crippling Harvest nerfs. I'm not really sure what options are left. Also loot droprate nerf in general has skyrocketed the prices of things on trade - some uniques went from like 5-10c to like 20e/d which is some crazy inflation.

It does seem like blue map sustain is perfectly fine though, and after going "hmm?" early in campaign my mapping sort of stabilized. It's in a "whatever" state now, where once Lake becomes less unrewarding it should give item acquisition decent bump, unwieldiness of the map and retries aside. I just worry about the ability to scale gear past a certain point.
The MF groups that normally churn out hundreds of uniques quitting the league will no doubt have had a major effect on increasing prices, the supply simply isn't there this time.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Joni_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany355 Posts
August 26 2022 13:03 GMT
#33710
On August 26 2022 17:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2022 16:45 Southlight wrote:
I think the SSF issue is mostly to do with end-game item progression with the crippling Harvest nerfs. I'm not really sure what options are left. Also loot droprate nerf in general has skyrocketed the prices of things on trade - some uniques went from like 5-10c to like 20e/d which is some crazy inflation.

It does seem like blue map sustain is perfectly fine though, and after going "hmm?" early in campaign my mapping sort of stabilized. It's in a "whatever" state now, where once Lake becomes less unrewarding it should give item acquisition decent bump, unwieldiness of the map and retries aside. I just worry about the ability to scale gear past a certain point.
The MF groups that normally churn out hundreds of uniques quitting the league will no doubt have had a major effect on increasing prices, the supply simply isn't there this time.

Also there is a much higher focus on well-rolled uniques from what I can tell, since you cannot just divine them up. I'm not yet sure if I like that change, but at least it is interesting and makes it more reasonable to pick up some more uniques to see how they have rolled.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 27 2022 00:44 GMT
#33711
I believe you can still divine the uniques - they're just harder to come by because the 6L recipe is gone and because you use them for some of the crafting bench options.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8619 Posts
August 28 2022 19:27 GMT
#33712
On August 26 2022 22:03 Joni_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2022 17:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 26 2022 16:45 Southlight wrote:
I think the SSF issue is mostly to do with end-game item progression with the crippling Harvest nerfs. I'm not really sure what options are left. Also loot droprate nerf in general has skyrocketed the prices of things on trade - some uniques went from like 5-10c to like 20e/d which is some crazy inflation.

It does seem like blue map sustain is perfectly fine though, and after going "hmm?" early in campaign my mapping sort of stabilized. It's in a "whatever" state now, where once Lake becomes less unrewarding it should give item acquisition decent bump, unwieldiness of the map and retries aside. I just worry about the ability to scale gear past a certain point.
The MF groups that normally churn out hundreds of uniques quitting the league will no doubt have had a major effect on increasing prices, the supply simply isn't there this time.

Also there is a much higher focus on well-rolled uniques from what I can tell, since you cannot just divine them up. I'm not yet sure if I like that change, but at least it is interesting and makes it more reasonable to pick up some more uniques to see how they have rolled.


They also moved the rarity-tiers for some uniques which makes them considerably rarer while at the same time they might be in higher demand because of the buffs they got.
Joni_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany355 Posts
August 29 2022 09:25 GMT
#33713
On August 27 2022 09:44 Southlight wrote:
I believe you can still divine the uniques - they're just harder to come by because the 6L recipe is gone and because you use them for some of the crafting bench options.

Of course you can still do it, but the difference between a well-rolled unique chest and a not so well-rolled feels a lot more meaningful when the price difference is equivalent to what used to be several exalts. :D

Good point about the change in rarity, I havent really paid any attention to that, yet. I guess thats due to my current build not really needing any uniques that arent boss drops.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-04 19:12:08
September 04 2022 18:53 GMT
#33714
Evo, Gunde, and I are going to do a mini-leaguestart in a new Private League, since Evo's just starting and a fresh start seems fun with the buffs & fixes.

Going to be "Guild Self Found", Kalandra SC, so we can share with each other a bit. Starting Tuesday, unsure on time. Base duration is 10 days then it folds back into regular Kalandra SC.

Not sure how active we all will be, but I'll at least play the full 10 days. Just us atm, but anyone is welcome to join whenever if if a 2nd leaguestart sounds fun to you Post here or DM if interested
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Rhodry
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany104 Posts
September 05 2022 10:48 GMT
#33715
humnnnn i would be interested but i dont have that much time next 10 days so i proly wont join.
I would love to do a guild self found league as a league start at some point though.
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-06 00:21:40
September 06 2022 00:11 GMT
#33716
Sounds cool, but also low on time / just hit 90 / T16s / L20 gems on my one character in SSF - just trying to finish grinding out my atlas, a 6L and a few bits and pieces / challenges.

Enjoying the league / trying not to look at Reddit, ha. I don't mind ArchNemesis monsters / quite nice to have regular content where you'll mix up the rewards for 6Ls/flasks/jewels etc.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
September 06 2022 02:46 GMT
#33717
yeah nbd. maybe a Guild SF at league start could be fun in the future - I haven't tried limited GSF like that before

and yeah reading reddit is prty painful. tho there is a lot to complain about, that place just makes me feel bad lol
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-06 14:32:01
September 06 2022 14:31 GMT
#33718
Reached lvl 97, my highest level ever, on my Artillery Ballista Chieftain starter in SSF Kalandra league. It kinda happened since my char stopped dying even though I was doing 8 mod maps, shaper/elder guardians etc. So kinda good build I guess... Although I got decently lucky on my gear, had 6L drop fairly early and Rog delivered on a couple items, such as a decent bow.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
September 06 2022 21:57 GMT
#33719
On September 06 2022 23:31 HolydaKing wrote:
Reached lvl 97, my highest level ever, on my Artillery Ballista Chieftain starter in SSF Kalandra league. It kinda happened since my char stopped dying even though I was doing 8 mod maps, shaper/elder guardians etc. So kinda good build I guess... Although I got decently lucky on my gear, had 6L drop fairly early and Rog delivered on a couple items, such as a decent bow.


Oh, congrats - always love when you level higher than planned due to not dying, ha.

Any chance you could share a PoB / link your character (had a quick look on poe.ninja but I guess yr profile's private?)? Still looking for inspiration for my AB Chieftain, had vaguely hoping someone would be doing testing for AOE breakpoints but unlike Blast Rain, you can't muck around with reflected poison to count overlap/shotgunning.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 07 2022 07:47 GMT
#33720
I sent you a PM with detailed infos. As for the AoE, it's huge and it's really impossible to tell. More projectiles are good (although probably just for even more clear), more AoE is good for more overlap. That's what I can tell, not more lol. Some bosses are big and you will hit them more, and even more with bigger AoE.
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