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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
December 06 2018 23:57 GMT
#29541
Can someone look at my Lancing Steel champ tree? - https://pastebin.com/Jj8Gyr6J

It's 140k dps without impale or war banner calculated in (I used spectral throw as a skill stand in), using Scaevas, so I think it might actually be decent. The tree pathing is a bit awkward since I can't use the melee phys stuff in Marauder, and Iron Grip is too good to pass up, so I wonder if there could be optimization
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 00:01:03
December 06 2018 23:58 GMT
#29542
On December 06 2018 23:37 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 23:20 ggsimida wrote:
On December 06 2018 19:58 -Archangel- wrote:
I think I will still try the Winter Orb totem hiero. I plan to use that totem unique jewel that gives +2 projectiles for a small penalty to damage. I was planning to self cast Frostbomb to debuff enemies as its debuff does not depend on dealing damage. Also you can easily link it with inc duration and arcane surge. Not sure if I can use artic breath with new support for additional debuff, will the chill effect work if my character does 0 damage due to totem keystone!?

Not sure what to do if single target turns out to be crap. I was thinking of going for new Carcass Jack so I can get that sweet 50% inc AoE, maybe the projectiles from Winter Orb overlap in that case.


according to someone's dmg analysis here based off purely base dmg you only need 5-6 overlapping WO projectiles to reach the power of 10 stack BV. of course BV is still superior due to better scaling from statstick but no doubt WO is no slouch either in both clear and single target, especially if you go totem where you can go gmp+rain of splinter by default

5-6 is a lot. Small chance you can get all of those to overlap. I was hoping to get 3 to overlap.
Also we don't know what is the base number of projectiles WO releases. I hope it is not one :D

For totems, WO is much better than BV. For selfcast, BV should be a lot superior. Except for self cast you can just use WO for clear and Ice Spear for bosses.


im pretty sure if you get enough aoe they should overlap rather easily on a big boss, especially on totems where you easily get more projectiles than selfcast.. the more pertinent issue is totem survivaibility (die before they charge up to max stage)

Also LOL at you saying "For totems, WO is much better than BV" BV totem is clunky but the DPS is INSANE. also the dmg of BV totem is based on the stacks you have on your char not on the totem so its easy to maintain 10 stacks during boss battle. when levelling arc totem try putting a 4L bv totem in your setup, they will rip bosses like kitava to shred while your 4L arc totem is piss in single target. honestly i think its a tad unfair to compare WO constantly to 1 of the best if not the best spell in the game. WO is already nigh superior to most spells.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
December 07 2018 01:32 GMT
#29543
On December 07 2018 08:57 EchelonTee wrote:
Can someone look at my Lancing Steel champ tree? - https://pastebin.com/Jj8Gyr6J

It's 140k dps without impale or war banner calculated in (I used spectral throw as a skill stand in), using Scaevas, so I think it might actually be decent. The tree pathing is a bit awkward since I can't use the melee phys stuff in Marauder, and Iron Grip is too good to pass up, so I wonder if there could be optimization

I think it's just the usual "I'm duelist and want lifewheel"-issue where the pathing ends up looking like crap. If you drop the lifewheel and just move on the outside you'd lose too much life.

The one thing I'd consider would be Bloodmagic for the fat life pool, if you think you can afford to drop the herald and find another way to curse. Banner would reserve 5% and you'd put it down for a bossfight anyway so that shouldn't be an issue.


I'm unsure if I want to push for the CoC Scion as a first build, I'm a bit stuck overall but this is where I'm at so far: https://pastebin.com/0T1h0a7f ... It'd be mines until 90s anyway, I think a 5L Shaper bow is mandatory for this to feel good.

Accuracy seems still too low and can't be solved without really good gear, attack speed seems low, I can't find a way to incorporate the second starting location. Even if I drop Acro there's no good way to leave Duelist start towards VP.

But damn, I think there's potential there. Shaper bows OP.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
December 07 2018 02:23 GMT
#29544
+ Show Spoiler +


this Cold DoT occultist with EB seems like a solid starter. really good dps and low gear requirement. just depends on how good vaal cold snap feels hehe
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LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
December 07 2018 04:58 GMT
#29545
Gonna be like... 3 hours late for league start at least tomorrow.
Evo you playing HC?
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
December 07 2018 05:39 GMT
#29546
I got a hankerin for some minin. I can't decide between GC and arc. I'm leaning twords Glacial cascade.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 07 2018 05:45 GMT
#29547
On December 07 2018 14:39 Sermokala wrote:
I got a hankerin for some minin. I can't decide between GC and arc. I'm leaning twords Glacial cascade.


GC is better for bosses, arc is better for clear speed.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 07 2018 06:43 GMT
#29548
I think with the stat stick changes arc's probably better for bosses as well, especially if you supplement it with lightning spire trap.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
December 07 2018 06:58 GMT
#29549
On December 07 2018 15:43 bo1b wrote:
I think with the stat stick changes arc's probably better for bosses as well, especially if you supplement it with lightning spire trap.


unlike arc, gc has the full benefit of %added ele dmg from aura and flasks so its still has superior late game scaling
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1509 Posts
December 07 2018 07:04 GMT
#29550
I would love to play a Frost or Lightning Caster. Sadly I dont really have any idea which one could be viable / fun.
Can anyone please suggest me a good build ?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 07:15:01
December 07 2018 07:14 GMT
#29551
do you want self cast specifically? if not then this arc totem hiero is quite good

zizaran video

this GC mines build is good too

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1957409

I posted a cold DoT build above. You could also consider trying the new / revamped cold skills
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
December 07 2018 07:14 GMT
#29552
For self-cast arc I've seen this guide linked quite a bit, if you're into totems then looking up a Hierophant is prolly your best bet.


For those interested as usual, teamspeak is up and running:

+ Show Spoiler +
Server IP: teamspeak-de01fn.typefrag.com:5885
Password: evopls


I'll be around like an hour before launch at latest but feel free to hang around before then, at least for HC judging by the thread so far we'll have some activity for sure. Maybe one day we'll even drag the SC crew on voice. =P

Still not sure whether I'll do Arc mines Sab or Arc totems Scion. Just spending the 50+ regrets to respec instead of relevelling is prolly smarter but ugh, game is hard.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 07 2018 07:30 GMT
#29553
I think I'm gonna do the tri herald BV build as starter. I haven't done BV since the essence league, and seems fun and good to start with, unless it's not a good starter? I want to do CoC of some sort, but I think that's best left for making an alt.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
December 07 2018 07:35 GMT
#29554
It's a great starter, though the items will be in demand since it's very much so a meta skill. Elementalist with conversion, inpulsa maybe and you're golden
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 07:53:27
December 07 2018 07:46 GMT
#29555
On December 07 2018 15:58 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2018 15:43 bo1b wrote:
I think with the stat stick changes arc's probably better for bosses as well, especially if you supplement it with lightning spire trap.


unlike arc, gc has the full benefit of %added ele dmg from aura and flasks so its still has superior late game scaling

Yeah it does, I'm still not convinced given just how much higher arcs base damage is, the different damage effectiveness, the way lightning damage just scales better in poe etc. And while hatred gives 36%, wrath still gives 21% so it's not like theres no aura buff at all.

There's also the secondary chaining effect, and the 15% more damage per chain etc. I think you heavily underestimate arc mines dps. Min maxed gc is still probably better single target, but I'd wager it's very close, and in all other cases arc will do more. When you get to that stage it really doesn't matter though, here's arc mines doing uber elder in <2 minutes:




On December 07 2018 16:14 r.Evo wrote:
For self-cast arc I've seen this guide linked quite a bit, if you're into totems then looking up a Hierophant is prolly your best bet.


For those interested as usual, teamspeak is up and running:

+ Show Spoiler +
Server IP: teamspeak-de01fn.typefrag.com:5885
Password: evopls


I'll be around like an hour before launch at latest but feel free to hang around before then, at least for HC judging by the thread so far we'll have some activity for sure. Maybe one day we'll even drag the SC crew on voice. =P

Still not sure whether I'll do Arc mines Sab or Arc totems Scion. Just spending the 50+ regrets to respec instead of relevelling is prolly smarter but ugh, game is hard.


Go arc mines scion? You'll level faster than any other skill available to you.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
December 07 2018 08:01 GMT
#29556
What is the activation range on mines?
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 07 2018 08:16 GMT
#29557
Just curious, why arc mines over arc traps?
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10341 Posts
December 07 2018 08:21 GMT
#29558
On December 07 2018 17:16 hunts wrote:
Just curious, why arc mines over arc traps?

I would like to know this too because I have no idea how either work TBH. How are traps and mine superior to just casting the skill directly? Can you undo a previous trap/mine by casting a new one if no one triggered the previous one? Does casting a new one automatically un-cast a previous one if it has been triggered?
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 07 2018 08:28 GMT
#29559
Mines have a 39% more modifier attached, the targetting range I believe is bigger, and you don't need to worry about detonation radius or anything like that. I'm pretty sure that arming them is faster than traps too, and if you can get over having to push two buttons, you're left with mines doing more damage, clearing faster and having less passive point investment.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
December 07 2018 08:44 GMT
#29560
The reason to go traps is because you like pressing less buttons and because you like doing less damage. Basically traps are fine but mines are better.

Bo1b, if you can come up with a Bow/CoC/Arc Scion that makes sense, halp pls. I'd use totems to transition into ele hit and mines to transition into CoC/Arc. Main issue: I'm stuck here with the tree. Accuracy is missing, not sure if damage will be missing. Can't find a reasonable way to use the 2nd starting location either.

There's also a CoC Icespear tree in there for shits and giggles, for that one pathing would actually make sense.
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