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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10312 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 19:45:58
December 06 2018 19:43 GMT
#29521
Thank you for the clear and detailed answer. I truly try to play this game as brainlessly as possible, so I don't pick up on things at all and having dedicated players who enjoy the mechanics of the game enough to study and understand them are a blessing when I do come upon aquestion that I do need answered. Thank you all.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 06 2018 19:53 GMT
#29522
https://poeplanner.com/AA8AAOsADxUAAHJPBEPI-d2LjISD5n3vIcBmBLOiAK7_1aaCmzD4OtjsOIV7ZlSUb3IPJy-QVXGF8xGxQkVHMtHr7oUyly1JT7yqfIMRLSycBUJBltD1rrNMsy0flSC86mpDCPRtGcHzoqOCHtsLD8Q7fLjKFLBMLRdUnwHR5I2CU9QEB-vkXyqD21XGOlinCI9GHRSOZPemtvqa4EWdU1Ic3I8a-tIWb-Nq0B_v63_Gkye-iqEv74j5N9fPSbERlgcelS7w1UlRj_rr9WSd8h1R-80WHxgaOPAfJKo26QKW0nySbrxWKYubbt-GgDAAAAAAAA==

been a while for me.. so this is probably awful

this is what I threw together for an inquisitor ice spear guy. idea is i use hybrid with EB/MoM ... not much to it. shoot spears with high crit multi and do pretty much nothing else

feel free to tear it apart
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 20:07:54
December 06 2018 20:07 GMT
#29523
On December 07 2018 04:53 travis wrote:
https://poeplanner.com/AA8AAOsADxUAAHJPBEPI-d2LjISD5n3vIcBmBLOiAK7_1aaCmzD4OtjsOIV7ZlSUb3IPJy-QVXGF8xGxQkVHMtHr7oUyly1JT7yqfIMRLSycBUJBltD1rrNMsy0flSC86mpDCPRtGcHzoqOCHtsLD8Q7fLjKFLBMLRdUnwHR5I2CU9QEB-vkXyqD21XGOlinCI9GHRSOZPemtvqa4EWdU1Ic3I8a-tIWb-Nq0B_v63_Gkye-iqEv74j5N9fPSbERlgcelS7w1UlRj_rr9WSd8h1R-80WHxgaOPAfJKo26QKW0nySbrxWKYubbt-GgDAAAAAAAA==

been a while for me.. so this is probably awful

this is what I threw together for an inquisitor ice spear guy. idea is i use hybrid with EB/MoM ... not much to it. shoot spears with high crit multi and do pretty much nothing else

feel free to tear it apart

You can save a point on pathing but that's dependant on final tree layout so we'll ignore that for now.

EB actively harms your build here I believe since it doesn't do anything. You have no ES recovery mechanic. You won't have much ES. There's no point. I don't understand. You are taking mana nodes that are supposed to be hiding under your ES.

You took the wrong half of the cold circle, although the pen on the other half doesn't help either so in practice what you want is to just take none of it. Crits = Freeze, you don't need garbage chance to freeze or anythign awful like that. Same with the celestial punishment node. Its just not good, dump all those nodes since you don't need pen or chance to freeze.

I also philosophically disagree with your ascendancy passives (dump the consecrated ground garbage for the actual good nodes) but if you object to using a melee mobility skill (whirling blades, shield charge, leap slam) then your choice is almost defensible.

I'm not sure what your clear is going to look like since ice spear even with GMP is going to have a fairly tight shotgunning cone rather than big spread (also no aoe explosions iirc although pierce right?). Also you are going to need a lot of dex for gmp. Might be worth testing the new winter orb for clear along with ice spear for single target (or whatever you feel comfortable with, you can test all the skills really).

Here's something closer to what i'd run as inquisitor: www.poeurl.com/cail
I left your ascendancy passives and obviously you are in no way beholden to my ideas.

worth mentioning that i point out a lot of things that i think might be issues but really every build has issues in some way
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
December 06 2018 20:13 GMT
#29524
On December 07 2018 04:43 Haasts wrote:
Had figured out a bunch of things for BV Chieftain (in SSF), but I'm sorely tempted to try a life-based Occultist starting ED/Contagion/Blight and farming up a Death's Oath via div cards. Uuuugh, need to make a decision so I can set up a custom lootfilter.

unless you're really set on transitioning to death's oath asap, I'd recommend trickster ED. a lot faster and better league starter than occultist. Overall though I think ED is going to be super strong this league
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 06 2018 20:16 GMT
#29525
On December 07 2018 05:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2018 04:53 travis wrote:
https://poeplanner.com/AA8AAOsADxUAAHJPBEPI-d2LjISD5n3vIcBmBLOiAK7_1aaCmzD4OtjsOIV7ZlSUb3IPJy-QVXGF8xGxQkVHMtHr7oUyly1JT7yqfIMRLSycBUJBltD1rrNMsy0flSC86mpDCPRtGcHzoqOCHtsLD8Q7fLjKFLBMLRdUnwHR5I2CU9QEB-vkXyqD21XGOlinCI9GHRSOZPemtvqa4EWdU1Ic3I8a-tIWb-Nq0B_v63_Gkye-iqEv74j5N9fPSbERlgcelS7w1UlRj_rr9WSd8h1R-80WHxgaOPAfJKo26QKW0nySbrxWKYubbt-GgDAAAAAAAA==

been a while for me.. so this is probably awful

this is what I threw together for an inquisitor ice spear guy. idea is i use hybrid with EB/MoM ... not much to it. shoot spears with high crit multi and do pretty much nothing else

feel free to tear it apart

You can save a point on pathing but that's dependant on final tree layout so we'll ignore that for now.

EB actively harms your build here I believe since it doesn't do anything. You have no ES recovery mechanic. You won't have much ES. There's no point. I don't understand. You are taking mana nodes that are supposed to be hiding under your ES.


yeah... you're right. I forgot that ES doesn't jsut sit there and refill if you are getting hit


Here's something closer to what i'd run as inquisitor: www.poeurl.com/cail
I left your ascendancy passives and obviously you are in no way beholden to my ideas.


thanks !

do you think the build you linked will need to do some extra stuff in terms of getting mana or mana regen at some point?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
December 06 2018 20:22 GMT
#29526
Since you're MoM you definitely want your mana to be sustaining well. That's one reason why the consecrated ground nodes can be useful.

One underrated combo I like is Rallying Cry + https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Spirited_Response The mana regain isn't instant, but it gives you enough mana that you'll always be able to flame dash / shield charge away. One of the worst feelings when playing MoM is when you're mana pool is fully drained and you can't use your movement skill.

You'll also want to consider if you want to use warlord's mark, for the leech vs a DPS curse
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2018 20:23 GMT
#29527
It claims >100% increased mana and >100% incresed mana regen. I'm sure some juicy flat mana and regen % roll on gear (mostly jewellery) will do a lot for you, but that's every MoM build. I'm also pretty sure the spare 2 start nodes on templar aren't worth now that I think about it but I hadn't really decided what was "next" for that build so I didn't cut them yet.

probably also path through crit multi at doom cast (its worth) and also cut melding for blood drinker i bet since the ES isn't so relevant anymore.
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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
December 06 2018 20:34 GMT
#29528
On December 07 2018 05:13 EchelonTee wrote:
unless you're really set on transitioning to death's oath asap, I'd recommend trickster ED. a lot faster and better league starter than occultist. Overall though I think ED is going to be super strong this league


Ah yeah, I've run Trickster ED in an SSF flashback race and had a blast - silky smooth movement skill usage & recovery/regen - but I have my heart set on DO/Withering Presence (& hopefully Aspect of the Spider before league-end) shenanigans. I'd actually considered leveling with BV pre-DO instead, but I can't pass up on seeing how the new NACDOT (bit of a mouthful) nodes work out.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
December 06 2018 21:18 GMT
#29529
Ok, I have a few mechanic questions because I'm a little bit out of the loop. I'm going to play a Frostbolt Totem guy for one of my first chars. 5 Totems should feel good with the new Totem Support Gem.

1. The new Bonechill Support mostly affects cold damage over time. That CDoT is exclusive to a few cold skills, correct? It can't be triggered from every cold spell just like burning can from fire spells?

2. Frostbomb debuff is still being applied when I skill Ancestral Bond, right? I don't need Trap Support? It's just the final hit that doesn't do any damage?

3. How fast does Frostbomb pulse? Is adding Increased Duration a good idea or worthless?

4. Do the new Totem Support and Ritual of Awakening effects stack? As in, do I cast 3 totems at once if I cast? The wording kind of sounds like it wouldn't stack.

5. What happens if I link two curses to a Trap Support? First trap triggers the next curse and the second trap the second curse? I'm not sure but I might go for dual curse if Totem Support and Ritual of Awakening turn out to stack.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 21:30:54
December 06 2018 21:29 GMT
#29530
1) true BUT there's an unannounced cold ailment (we have no idea how to cause it) that may do cold DoT as well.

2) yeah

3) idk i'm sure thats something u can discern while playing

4) almost certainly only 2 at a time

5) both curses will be supported by trap. You can press one button to throw a trap that curses with one skill, and one button to throw a trap that curses with the other skill. Trap modifies the skill, not vice versa. Curse on hit still works with ancestral bond tho (and can double curse at the same time)
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 21:43:43
December 06 2018 21:36 GMT
#29531
On December 07 2018 06:18 Miragee wrote:
1. The new Bonechill Support mostly affects cold damage over time. That CDoT is exclusive to a few cold skills, correct? It can't be triggered from every cold spell just like burning can from fire spells?

Correct, it applies to the DoT effects of Vortex, Arctic Breath, and Cold Snap.
On December 07 2018 06:18 Miragee wrote:
2. Frostbomb debuff is still being applied when I skill Ancestral Bond, right? I don't need Trap Support? It's just the final hit that doesn't do any damage?

Correct, Frost Bomb doesn't care whether it does damage, it still hits.
On December 07 2018 06:18 Miragee wrote:
3. How fast does Frostbomb pulse? Is adding Increased Duration a good idea or worthless?

I believe it pulses 1/second. Increased Duration could be worthwhile if you have no tree duration and are self-casting it, but I always put mine in my CwDT setup (the parts you care about, resist and regen reduction, don't scale with gem level). If you're doing that, skip the Increased Duration.
On December 07 2018 06:18 Miragee wrote:
4. Do the new Totem Support and Ritual of Awakening effects stack? As in, do I cast 3 totems at once if I cast? The wording kind of sounds like it wouldn't stack.

Not sure. Guessing no.
On December 07 2018 06:18 Miragee wrote:
5. What happens if I link two curses to a Trap Support? First trap triggers the next curse and the second trap the second curse? I'm not sure but I might go for dual curse if Totem Support and Ritual of Awakening turn out to stack.

You will have two different curse trap skills, one that lays a trap that casts your first curse, and a second, separate skill that lays a trap that casts your second curse. This sounds pretty bad to me.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 06 2018 21:54 GMT
#29532
Bah, I really want to play Scion Bow, either Ele Hit or CoC. I think levelling might be too much of a bitch without sunder now though. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
December 06 2018 22:06 GMT
#29533
Thank you ASoo and Sn0_Man! Curse on Hit, hum. I have totally forgot about that. Could self-cast Frost Bomb then, linked to Increased AoE, Projectile Weakness and Frostbite. The final explosion of Frost Bomb after 2 seconds should trigger both? Doesn't seem very effective though. I'm going to think about possible links.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 22:19:32
December 06 2018 22:11 GMT
#29534
On December 07 2018 07:06 Miragee wrote:
Thank you ASoo and Sn0_Man! Curse on Hit, hum. I have totally forgot about that. Could self-cast Frost Bomb then, linked to Increased AoE, Projectile Weakness and Frostbite. The final explosion of Frost Bomb after 2 seconds should trigger both? Doesn't seem very effective though. I'm going to think about possible links.

Need to work Curse on Hit in there. You may have meant Frost Bomb + Curse on Hit + Proj Weakness + Frostbite.

Though you're right that it seems inefficient if there's a delay due to Frost Bomb. Only useful for bosses.

Edit: that also loses the trap support lol oops
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
December 06 2018 22:24 GMT
#29535
Why exactly do you want to apply your curses with traps in the first place?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 22:38:12
December 06 2018 22:37 GMT
#29536
I didn't want to use traps. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some weird thing going on where a single trap could trigger both curses at once. And yeah, I meant Curse on Hit, not Increased AoE. But I think I will rather do another 4 Link. Frostbolt-Curse on Hit-Projectile Weakness-Frostbite sounds much better since I already have two Frozen Trail in the tree.
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
December 06 2018 22:42 GMT
#29537
Seems legit.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 23:11:33
December 06 2018 23:11 GMT
#29538
On December 07 2018 06:54 r.Evo wrote:
Bah, I really want to play Scion Bow, either Ele Hit or CoC. I think levelling might be too much of a bitch without sunder now though. =(

since those use elemental damage / spell damage, couldn't you just level as arc totem? or BV maybe
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 06 2018 23:13 GMT
#29539
On December 07 2018 06:54 r.Evo wrote:
Bah, I really want to play Scion Bow, either Ele Hit or CoC. I think levelling might be too much of a bitch without sunder now though. =(

Level as arc mines as scion and just respec?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 23:54:03
December 06 2018 23:53 GMT
#29540
On December 07 2018 08:11 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2018 06:54 r.Evo wrote:
Bah, I really want to play Scion Bow, either Ele Hit or CoC. I think levelling might be too much of a bitch without sunder now though. =(

since those use elemental damage / spell damage, couldn't you just level as arc totem? or BV maybe

Hmmm.... it's going to be in the 30-40 regret range anyway, so that might work out alright. The first 20 levels would be quite annoying since all you can do to transition into Ele hit would be leaving Scion via Shaper and going up to EO and then Templar -> Ancestral bond.

Sunder was a bit less painful there because you could leave via resists and towards Duelist.


Looking at this some more, if I could get a Bow/CoC/Arc build to work that I like the totem/mine levelling might be totally fine. I'd ask botwob but he'll just tell me to play discharge anyway.
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