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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 28 2018 16:59 GMT
#27621
I might do a Saboteur miner too, with The Covenant so that there are no mana issues (part of what I hate about mines). The new life regen will work perfectly for that. Wouldn't be very tanky though...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 17:19:18
February 28 2018 17:18 GMT
#27622
Honestly the covenant doesn't even seem necessary considering the 25% mana reduction on that regen node, but up to you. It'd be nice to have an ES recovery mechanic to combo with the covenant and go some kind of hybrid, but maybe not necessary since it does have 10% life etc.

Also new saboteur seems very tanky since you get both blind nodes in one, so everything is blinded (50% less attack dmg taken) and you take 10% reduced damage from them.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 17:37:26
February 28 2018 17:33 GMT
#27623
Blind is halved hit chance...

I found Ahn's Might Swords exist and now specced a dual wield Accu Jugg Cycloner. Big chance that is my league starter. Later I can respec it into Shield Throw if that build can work nice with Jugg. Cyclone will also work nice with Unyielding that will give me 35% inc AoE.

Now I am not sure if I should take Unbreakable or Unrelenting. If I don't switch to Shield Throw I plan to get Abyssus later for more deeps.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 17:39:56
February 28 2018 17:37 GMT
#27624
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 17:46:14
February 28 2018 17:41 GMT
#27625
On March 01 2018 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.

And 1000 accuracy for the accuracy jugg

And they got 40% inc accuracy implicit which is a More modifier
Edit: and 20% Inc AoE
Overall like made for Acc Jugg. Of course some 20ex rares will be better when you are rich but these swords seem cool for mapping and labing.

As for blind, well it is important to say it is actually 50 miss chance as those one hits can kill you while with 50% less damage taken they could not.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 18:17:19
February 28 2018 18:05 GMT
#27626
On March 01 2018 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Honestly the covenant doesn't even seem necessary considering the 25% mana reduction on that regen node, but up to you. It'd be nice to have an ES recovery mechanic to combo with the covenant and go some kind of hybrid, but maybe not necessary since it does have 10% life etc.

Also new saboteur seems very tanky since you get both blind nodes in one, so everything is blinded (50% less attack dmg taken) and you take 10% reduced damage from them.

Well, you'd still need to invest some in mana regen (hard considering you wanna pick up both mine and crit nodes) or use mana flask or vaal clarity. Each mine skill usage is like over 100 mana (up to about 160 depending on skill and if you use Tremor Rod so it's 7L), and you can spam 3 per second...

Also fair point about the blind node being strong. It might be worth dropping the 20% AoE 20% Area Damage and 10% Ele Penetration one for it.

Btw, if you use MoM and use a skill from life through Blood Magic, you don't lose mana, do you? I'd hope not.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 28 2018 18:17 GMT
#27627
On March 01 2018 02:41 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.

And 1000 accuracy for the accuracy jugg

And they got 40% inc accuracy implicit which is a More modifier
Edit: and 20% Inc AoE
Overall like made for Acc Jugg. Of course some 20ex rares will be better when you are rich but these swords seem cool for mapping and labing.

As for blind, well it is important to say it is actually 50 miss chance as those one hits can kill you while with 50% less damage taken they could not.

Don't forget that Ahn's Might is actually genuinely rare, might be worth buying cheap ones just to flip after a week. Some kind of DW ST Jugg sounds super fun actually.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 28 2018 18:23 GMT
#27628
On March 01 2018 03:05 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Honestly the covenant doesn't even seem necessary considering the 25% mana reduction on that regen node, but up to you. It'd be nice to have an ES recovery mechanic to combo with the covenant and go some kind of hybrid, but maybe not necessary since it does have 10% life etc.

Also new saboteur seems very tanky since you get both blind nodes in one, so everything is blinded (50% less attack dmg taken) and you take 10% reduced damage from them.

Well, you'd still need to invest some in mana regen (hard considering you wanna pick up both mine and crit nodes) or use mana flask or vaal clarity. Each mine skill usage is like over 100 mana (up to about 160 depending on skill and if you use Tremor Rod so it's 7L), and you can spam 3 per second...

Also fair point about the blind node being strong. It might be worth dropping the 20% AoE 20% Area Damage and 10% Ele Penetration one for it.

Btw, if you use MoM and use a skill from life through Blood Magic, you don't lose mana, do you? I'd hope not.

You shouldn't lose mana, but you do prevent ES recharge
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 18:28:31
February 28 2018 18:25 GMT
#27629
On March 01 2018 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 03:05 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Honestly the covenant doesn't even seem necessary considering the 25% mana reduction on that regen node, but up to you. It'd be nice to have an ES recovery mechanic to combo with the covenant and go some kind of hybrid, but maybe not necessary since it does have 10% life etc.

Also new saboteur seems very tanky since you get both blind nodes in one, so everything is blinded (50% less attack dmg taken) and you take 10% reduced damage from them.

Well, you'd still need to invest some in mana regen (hard considering you wanna pick up both mine and crit nodes) or use mana flask or vaal clarity. Each mine skill usage is like over 100 mana (up to about 160 depending on skill and if you use Tremor Rod so it's 7L), and you can spam 3 per second...

Also fair point about the blind node being strong. It might be worth dropping the 20% AoE 20% Area Damage and 10% Ele Penetration one for it.

Btw, if you use MoM and use a skill from life through Blood Magic, you don't lose mana, do you? I'd hope not.

You shouldn't lose mana, but you do prevent ES recharge

Ah OK good, that shouldn't the biggest issue, even though I'd have a bit (1k-ish at least) through Covenant. But at the same time I wouldn't have any ES regen/leech to begin with, so the ES is gone very fast either way.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 18:35:33
February 28 2018 18:35 GMT
#27630
On March 01 2018 03:17 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 02:41 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.

And 1000 accuracy for the accuracy jugg

And they got 40% inc accuracy implicit which is a More modifier
Edit: and 20% Inc AoE
Overall like made for Acc Jugg. Of course some 20ex rares will be better when you are rich but these swords seem cool for mapping and labing.

As for blind, well it is important to say it is actually 50 miss chance as those one hits can kill you while with 50% less damage taken they could not.

Don't forget that Ahn's Might is actually genuinely rare, might be worth buying cheap ones just to flip after a week. Some kind of DW ST Jugg sounds super fun actually.

I don't play the flipping game... but my first two are certainly not going to be the good expensive ones so at least I will be able to sell those two later.
Hopefully not everyone comes to same idea (due to me and others finding out about it on Nugi stream :D) because in that case it is going to be way too expensive.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 28 2018 18:36 GMT
#27631
Ehhhhh, Nugi might just be enough below the radar unless he plays it himself.

I'm pretty set on my hiltless plan anyway, maybe even as cyclone instead. The real question would be whether it's even worth it shooting for lab considering all the random Juggs running around.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 28 2018 18:37 GMT
#27632
On March 01 2018 03:35 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 03:17 r.Evo wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:41 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.

And 1000 accuracy for the accuracy jugg

And they got 40% inc accuracy implicit which is a More modifier
Edit: and 20% Inc AoE
Overall like made for Acc Jugg. Of course some 20ex rares will be better when you are rich but these swords seem cool for mapping and labing.

As for blind, well it is important to say it is actually 50 miss chance as those one hits can kill you while with 50% less damage taken they could not.

Don't forget that Ahn's Might is actually genuinely rare, might be worth buying cheap ones just to flip after a week. Some kind of DW ST Jugg sounds super fun actually.

I don't play the flipping game... but my first two are certainly not going to be the good expensive ones so at least I will be able to sell those two later.
Hopefully not everyone comes to same idea (due to me and others finding out about it on Nugi stream :D) because in that case it is going to be way too expensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/80ur5v/juggerexe/

Luckily not on the first page.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 28 2018 18:50 GMT
#27633
https://i.redd.it/i8mkjs14zzi01.png

Oh GGG support.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 18:58:06
February 28 2018 18:53 GMT
#27634
On March 01 2018 03:50 r.Evo wrote:
https://i.redd.it/i8mkjs14zzi01.png

Oh GGG support.

If I play a char with Leap Slam again, there's no way I'm not using it. Hell, even for a miner it's pretty mandatory.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 19:11:08
February 28 2018 18:54 GMT
#27635
Man I've been theorycrafting stun slayer and it should actually be really good. It's really quite similar to those heavy strike starforge builds (that use terminus est + flicker to clear trash). I think you take impact, the stun node, and headsman. Your AoE should actually be dope with ancestral call + flicker, and against bosses heavy strike with stun support + ruthless + double damage chance jewel should mean perma-stun even if it's not necessarily the fastest boss kills ever. Only concerns are basically unwavering enemies (such as atzoobi) and if you can get enough damage (probably have to be RT).

You actually hit over 100% reduced enemy stun threshold WITHOUT the stun support gem if you use Tidebreaker. Yes, I'm aware that there are diminishing returns but it's still helpful to go well above 75%, and 150% threshold (aka with the support) does make it twice as easy to stun as 100% (in terms of required damage). Considering your ruthless stuns are base duration .8, plus over 200% stun duration, plus a chance at double that duration, even if you don't stun on normal hits your ruthless ones should have you covered.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 18:57:26
February 28 2018 18:57 GMT
#27636
On March 01 2018 03:37 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2018 03:35 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 01 2018 03:17 r.Evo wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:41 -Archangel- wrote:
On March 01 2018 02:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah halved hit chance means that however much attack damage you would take normally (over the course of more than one hit ofc) you take half that many hits so 50% less damage taken.

Sure, you can still get 1-shot but that's just evasion. Sometimes you evade the 1-shot (okay many of those can't miss but u know)

Ahns might are pretty spicy on the dual wield yeah. I was thinking "man it doesn't seem worth 2 jewel sockets to get both boosts" but if you dual wield then it does sound pretty spicy since it's only one jewel socket for basically 1000 accuracy.

And 1000 accuracy for the accuracy jugg

And they got 40% inc accuracy implicit which is a More modifier
Edit: and 20% Inc AoE
Overall like made for Acc Jugg. Of course some 20ex rares will be better when you are rich but these swords seem cool for mapping and labing.

As for blind, well it is important to say it is actually 50 miss chance as those one hits can kill you while with 50% less damage taken they could not.

Don't forget that Ahn's Might is actually genuinely rare, might be worth buying cheap ones just to flip after a week. Some kind of DW ST Jugg sounds super fun actually.

I don't play the flipping game... but my first two are certainly not going to be the good expensive ones so at least I will be able to sell those two later.
Hopefully not everyone comes to same idea (due to me and others finding out about it on Nugi stream :D) because in that case it is going to be way too expensive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/80ur5v/juggerexe/

Luckily not on the first page.

Eh, but at least I found useful info there (people said to use Scaeva if I cannot afford Ahn at that time) so not all terrible :D
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 19:09:16
February 28 2018 19:08 GMT
#27637
@evo the time that travis could barely afford Hege was in prophecy or essence (2.3 / 2.4), long time ago. these days Hege is very out of favor, it'll probably be like 5-10c in a week. so it just depends on how patient you are

also I dunno why you're neglecting tectonic slam. Sweep sucks ass
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 19:11:16
February 28 2018 19:10 GMT
#27638
On March 01 2018 04:08 EchelonTee wrote:
@evo the time that travis could barely afford Hege was in prophecy or essence (2.3 / 2.4), long time ago. these days Hege is very out of favor, it'll probably be like 5-10c in a week. so it just depends on how patient you are

also I dunno why you're neglecting tectonic slam. Sweep sucks ass

As long as you use another gem for single target damage, Sweep is amazing for clearing. You won't find another 2h melee gem with more radius.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 19:15:33
February 28 2018 19:12 GMT
#27639
On March 01 2018 03:50 r.Evo wrote:
https://i.redd.it/i8mkjs14zzi01.png

Oh GGG support.

This has to just be a naive response by a tech that isn't familiar, right? The number of people that use the numlock trick has to be monstrous. They must be misinterpreting that "trick"/bug/whatever you want to call it as someone "using a keyboard macro to press numlock and num1 at the same time". Which it's not lol.

WoW GMs had problems like this all the time. They're just lower level folks that probably aren't even that familiar with the game. I'm not worried lol.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-28 19:13:01
February 28 2018 19:12 GMT
#27640
I... actually never played Sweep but I did remember it as the reasonable choice, pardon my old age. Cyclone would be an option (prolly meh without Slayer AoE), Tectonic would be one.

The issue with Hege's is that if it becomes popular it's instantly 10ex+ because it's so damn rare. - A str class being good with crit means it might very well be popular again.

e: And yes, I'm pretty sure the GGG reply was an innocent mistake, no need for pitchforks yet.
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