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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 23 2018 08:47 GMT
#27361
So now I am thinking about Ngamahu Cyclone Chieftain as league starter (due to only needing the Axe to reach end game), but I don't know how best to level (and farm with) this one until I can acquire that Axe.
Any suggestions? Random High phy dps weapon and Molten Strike or something?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 23 2018 09:25 GMT
#27362
Or Sunder... tbh many skills work just fine, leveling melee chars is pretty fast.
Gzerble
Profile Joined May 2015
82 Posts
February 23 2018 10:11 GMT
#27363
On February 22 2018 18:28 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 18:23 Gzerble wrote:
Am I crazy, or do I think that if GGG wanted to shake things up, then they should just double attribute and mana requirements on everything? The "we'll add more stuff" is a nice way to shake up the meta, and I really get where the developers are coming from, but +attribute (except strength in some cases), +mana, +mana regen are all trash modifiers because they're effectively infinite.


How are +int, +mana & mana regen trash modifiers...

In the way that any rare that has those modifiers is automatically considered by the vast majority of the player-base inferior to those with +life, ES, res, damage (basically any type), and so on. These are not bad for all builds, MoM is great with mana/regen/int, there are a lot of use cases where these are positives... but the vast majority just don't need those beyond the things already on their passive tree and build enabling items. While I've only played a few builds, I've never felt constrained in any of those at any point. Maybe "trash" is too strong a word, but I think we can all agree that when you look for items those modifiers rarely play a part in the search.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 10:16:17
February 23 2018 10:15 GMT
#27364
On February 23 2018 18:25 HolydaKing wrote:
Or Sunder... tbh many skills work just fine, leveling melee chars is pretty fast.

I only leveled with melee characters twice recently, both were twinks. I have 0 experience leveling it as a first character and getting it setup to farm a bit before I can afford the build I am going for.

So Sunder and spend first C I find to buy a high Phy one handed or two handed weapon?
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 23 2018 11:13 GMT
#27365
Don't need to spend any chaos to level a sunder character. Easy as hell.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
February 23 2018 12:41 GMT
#27366
On February 23 2018 19:11 Gzerble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 18:28 vndestiny wrote:
On February 22 2018 18:23 Gzerble wrote:
Am I crazy, or do I think that if GGG wanted to shake things up, then they should just double attribute and mana requirements on everything? The "we'll add more stuff" is a nice way to shake up the meta, and I really get where the developers are coming from, but +attribute (except strength in some cases), +mana, +mana regen are all trash modifiers because they're effectively infinite.


How are +int, +mana & mana regen trash modifiers...

In the way that any rare that has those modifiers is automatically considered by the vast majority of the player-base inferior to those with +life, ES, res, damage (basically any type), and so on. These are not bad for all builds, MoM is great with mana/regen/int, there are a lot of use cases where these are positives... but the vast majority just don't need those beyond the things already on their passive tree and build enabling items. While I've only played a few builds, I've never felt constrained in any of those at any point. Maybe "trash" is too strong a word, but I think we can all agree that when you look for items those modifiers rarely play a part in the search.


Hmm I guess if life mod is trashed for all non-life builds, flat dmg trash for all non-attack builds, elemental dmg with attk trash for all non-attack elemental builds, armor trash for eva builds, then I guess mana& regen are trashed for non-MoM builds.

Like come on it's less niche than minion mod and no one says those are trashed. It just for a semi-niche defense mechanism.
nukem1
Profile Joined October 2010
345 Posts
February 23 2018 12:50 GMT
#27367
Sunder characters are quite cheap, which is why so many people choose them as starters.
One handers are the better choice (axe or mace) and a stat stick (something with attack speed - you will see this in all guides as axes have low AS inherently). Even with Blood rage, two handers feel clunky, especially in the beginning because you will have little AS.
While leveling, just do physical damage recipe if you are unlucky with drops. 4 link sunder easily takes you to maps. One totem and the range of the skill means you're pretty safe most of the times.
Can easily transition later into two handers and cyclone.
No need to buy weapons, you will either find better, get one from guild stash or easily craft something decent.
https://tudorpc.wordpress.com/
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
February 23 2018 18:19 GMT
#27368
How bad will Hierophant pizza totems be? I don't remember how bad they are now and I'm too lazy to work it out when I'm sure half the people here know off the top of their head.

I just miss the sound.
~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 23 2018 18:48 GMT
#27369
I think you'll have cast speed issues if you try hierophant pizza totems. having 3 totems for free doesn't help so much if it still takes like 10 seconds before each totem actually does damage.
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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 23 2018 18:52 GMT
#27370
I assume that is flameblast?
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 23 2018 19:03 GMT
#27371
On February 24 2018 03:52 Duvon wrote:
I assume that is flameblast?

yeah

wonder wat a good nickname for celestial flameblast totems would be
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
February 23 2018 19:13 GMT
#27372
On February 24 2018 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2018 03:52 Duvon wrote:
I assume that is flameblast?

yeah

wonder wat a good nickname for celestial flameblast totems would be

Mystic Pizza.
ThaddeusK
Profile Joined July 2008
United States233 Posts
February 23 2018 19:58 GMT
#27373
Hierophant pizza totems will be playable tho, unascended pizza totems is prolly playable even, but whether or not its optimal is hard to tell without seeing the inquisitor and elementalist reworks.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5251 Posts
February 23 2018 20:35 GMT
#27374
Flameblast Totems is very good, very close to T1 leveling skill. The only change from it's glory days is the ignite / double dip changes, which greatly hamper its mapping, but for leveling its still pretty much as good as before.

@nukem1 - regarding stat sticks, the attack speed on them does not matter when you are using sunder. it only uses the main hand to deal damage, so you want attack speed on that. stat sticks are usually stuff like tempestuous steel, prismatic eclipse, or shaper sticks, things that give global damage
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 20:44:11
February 23 2018 20:41 GMT
#27375
Hmm people are going apeshit over that new jewel but it's literally at best like a 10-12% life jewel with big downside and thats only in 3 places. I'm not a fan.
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
February 23 2018 20:47 GMT
#27376
On February 24 2018 05:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmm people are going apeshit over that new jewel but it's literally at best like a 10-12% life jewel with big downside and thats only in 2 places. I'm not a fan.

Yeah it looks, like, okay in a few places but by no means impressive. The left and bottom Scion sockets seem pretty decent if you're taking both the life wheel and some other sockets (can get 10% life plus some crit multi, AoE, regen, resists, 1% block, etc., depending on which other nodes you fill out).
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 20:50:54
February 23 2018 20:49 GMT
#27377
I'm also pretty sure stuff that's done by integer percentages (such as life%, block% etc) will suffer from round-down problems (5 * .5 = 2.5, round down = 2). Keep in mind jewels that affect nodes on the tree directly affect those nodes, so a 1% block node is going to be utterly unchanged, even if there are 2 side by side they don't suddenly add together to round better.

In which case scion life wheel nodes would go from 5->7%, although if you had two jewels they'd nicely go from 5->10% for the ones hit twice.
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-23 20:54:10
February 23 2018 20:50 GMT
#27378
Yep, that's why I said 10% life and 1% block instead of 12.5% life and 2% block.

*edit* In those slots in particular, it looks like using two of them might be decent, and that would fix your rounding problems (since you'd hit 100% increased effect of the nodes where the radii overlap). If your start looks like this:

https://poeplanner.com/AAsAADUACwAAABe-vLM_T1Ye34LkkBF7w9hNlKDaYhhWaHT56EGHtz7-Cti9NZLyRTrhpldN4_6PAAAAAAA=

...then each jewel would be providing:
  • 11.5% increased + 5 flat life
  • 2% block chance
  • 9% cold and fire res
  • 0.5% life regen
  • 5% increased melee phys damage


...with Shaper being the only notable you're missing out on. That seems competitive with a rare jewel for some builds, though not OP by any means.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 23 2018 20:53 GMT
#27379
The jewel could be good for some niche builds that I don't quite see atm. Maybe for stat stacking builds? Also obviously for the 12?% life if it's cheap. With more currency 7% life + adds jewels are just better.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 23 2018 20:58 GMT
#27380
Yeah I wasn't trying to say ur numbers are wrong.

Worth noting that this disables the Hired Killer and True Strike life/crit notables that are pretty good for the builds that it would be best suited for (since if you double-jewelled up the scion life wheel it makes the scion start nodes quite useable and it makes the scion crit multi nodes 30% multi each for the first two
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