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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 03 2018 04:18 GMT
#27101


This brings back memories

Here he is facetanking on a 5 link. By the way, could I get a guild invite if possible?
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 03 2018 05:54 GMT
#27102
Is biscos worth the price? Thinking of buying one but kind of feel bad about spending 15ish ex on one.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 09:05:23
January 03 2018 09:04 GMT
#27103
On January 03 2018 08:33 TheYango wrote:
I did the chaos recipe basically all last league. I stopped doing it this league and made currency faster purely from wasting less time in hideout sorting through crap.

Any time spent in hideout is time not spent in a map/lab/whatever.

You are not well organized then.
I have one tab for chaos recipe. I collect one set on unid gear and one set of quality unid gear. I fill the rest of the spots with belts, rings and amulets (as they are hardest to get regularly).
I keep these sets together in specific part of the tab and always keep them there. It is very fast and easy at a glance to see what is missing. From maps I just pick up the part that is missing. When I complete a set and sell it for chaos I start collecting a new one from next map (I pick up one of each item only).
It does not take a lot of time from normal mapping. It probably takes more time needing to get the quality set to 20% first on every gear piece.

But I can understand if people just randomly dump rare pieces into one tab and later try to get a set from that, they find that slow.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-03 10:54:16
January 03 2018 10:52 GMT
#27104



There is no amount of optimising which will make chaos recipe worth it tbh, with enough map clear and iiq youll get more then 2c in the time it takes to stash and then vendor all the items. That's not a joke btw.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 03 2018 12:16 GMT
#27105
On January 03 2018 19:52 bo1b wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Htgh0i1zM


There is no amount of optimising which will make chaos recipe worth it tbh, with enough map clear and iiq youll get more then 2c in the time it takes to stash and then vendor all the items. That's not a joke btw.

Not everyone can play that fast. I got a wife and a kid asking me questions and breaking my concentration all the time.
Even if I wanted I could not be mapping very fast all the time.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 03 2018 16:54 GMT
#27106
Picking up 2x3 rares is a huge waste of space and even 2x2s suck pretty bad. Even without any item IIQ, high-tier Shaper/Elder maps with sextants and good pack size mods drop a shitton of items and having to go back in the middle of maps breaks your flow and wastes a bunch of time.

The thing about farming in PoE is that 99% of the shit that drops is worthless junk that's not even worth looking at, you just make a ton on the 1% that's actually worth a shitload. This applies to basically whatever you're farming: Doctor cards, Exalt drops, gg lab enchants, chase T1 uniques, good rare jewelry, etc. By not doing things like the chaos recipe, you take away a source of steady income (which feels bad at first), but you just give yourself way more chances to get those 1% items that are worth a LOT more.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 03 2018 17:31 GMT
#27107
Do you still pick up good base large items? Gripped gloves good weapon bases etc...?
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ThaddeusK
Profile Joined July 2008
United States233 Posts
January 03 2018 18:49 GMT
#27108
Whether or not chaos recipe is worthwhile depends on what kind of content you are doing. I did a lot of it last league and with a lootfilter setup for it and organized tabs I estimated that I spent around 30s per chaos recipe including picking up, stashing, unstashing, and vendoring. If you are doing alch and go yellow maps its pretty worthwhile, although prolly still worse than id'ing if you can price quickly and accurately, or if its early on in the league. If you are doing chiseled, breach, and fully sextanted shaped vaults then the value of those 30s of stash management goes through the roof and it becomes silly to do the chaos recipe.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 04 2018 00:40 GMT
#27109
I haven't done chaos recipes in a while and I feel like I'm making more currency than before. Either way, even if my income would be slightly bigger by doing the recipe, I'd choose not to do it since it's not the type of gameplay I enjoy.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 04 2018 09:18 GMT
#27110
Yesterday I crafted a nice jewel. Found a blue jewel with 7% life on it. I augmented it and got 10% Inc damage. After checking and seeing that is max damage roll I decided to Regal it. I got 16% Inc Fire damage (another max roll). Poe.trade says they go for 2 to 3 ex
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
January 04 2018 16:06 GMT
#27111
On January 04 2018 18:18 -Archangel- wrote:
Yesterday I crafted a nice jewel. Found a blue jewel with 7% life on it. I augmented it and got 10% Inc damage. After checking and seeing that is max damage roll I decided to Regal it. I got 16% Inc Fire damage (another max roll). Poe.trade says they go for 2 to 3 ex


Same I happened to turn in the card set for vivid jewel 7% life, aug dot. Then regal cause why not and hit fire dmg. Sold for 1.5ex.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 04 2018 16:28 GMT
#27112
Wait for a week if you're on abyss, that price is only going up.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 17:16:22
January 04 2018 17:14 GMT
#27113
Are good rare jewels still just as good or better than Abyss jewels when it comes to end game? I've been using Abyss jewels because you can get some pretty great ones for cheap with tons of flat dmg and some life, but the %based scaling of the regular jewels seems like it would start taking over once your gear is good enough. Just bought them ages ago and forgot about em. I should do some PoB tinkering with that.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 18:59:03
January 04 2018 18:57 GMT
#27114
On January 05 2018 02:14 Duka08 wrote:
but the %based scaling of the regular jewels seems like it would start taking over once your gear is good enough.

It's not really that simple because "% Increased Damage" and "% Increased Maximum Life" stack multiplicatively with your flat damage, and stack additively with other sources of % inc. You generally end up with a ton % Inc damage/life because all of that comes off your tree, while sources of flat damage outside of base weapon/spell damage are much rarer. This is why Steel Rings are so much better than they appear initially--being able to get a significant amount of flat damage on a ring implicit adds a pretty sizeable chunk of damage.

If you have a base weapon attack that does 200 damage and you have no % inc damage at all on your tree, +10 flat physical damage adds less than +10% increased damage. But if you have 300% inc damage on your tree, +10 flat damage adds more damage than getting +10% inc damage. So they're really both just different kinds of multipliers, not "% is better than flat".

So the answer is really that you need a balance between % Inc and Flat Damage/Life, and you kind of need to use PoB to figure out where the breakpoint is.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 20:38:47
January 04 2018 20:38 GMT
#27115
On January 05 2018 03:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 02:14 Duka08 wrote:
but the %based scaling of the regular jewels seems like it would start taking over once your gear is good enough.

It's not really that simple because "% Increased Damage" and "% Increased Maximum Life" stack multiplicatively with your flat damage, and stack additively with other sources of % inc. You generally end up with a ton % Inc damage/life because all of that comes off your tree, while sources of flat damage outside of base weapon/spell damage are much rarer. This is why Steel Rings are so much better than they appear initially--being able to get a significant amount of flat damage on a ring implicit adds a pretty sizeable chunk of damage.

If you have a base weapon attack that does 200 damage and you have no % inc damage at all on your tree, +10 flat physical damage adds less than +10% increased damage. But if you have 300% inc damage on your tree, +10 flat damage adds more damage than getting +10% inc damage. So they're really both just different kinds of multipliers, not "% is better than flat".

So the answer is really that you need a balance between % Inc and Flat Damage/Life, and you kind of need to use PoB to figure out where the breakpoint is.

Yeah the additive increase effects did mess with my quick mental math. I did a bit of crafting in PoB and it seems like trading flat (Abyss) for %inc is a lateral move with my current gear -- for both damage and life. But rare jewels with the right affixes (and good rolls) are comparatively very expensive given that Abyss jewels are dropping like candy this league. In the future it might be more interesting though, if abysses stick around.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 21:10:34
January 04 2018 21:09 GMT
#27116
At least for me I was really surprised that a 35 life abyss jewel and a 5% life node on the tree gave me almost the same amount of life when I specc'd out of Scion life wheel to pick up a jewel socket. I think a lot of it has to do with the other properties of the jewel you can't find anywhere else (e.g. spell block or dodge or w/e) and I think abyss jewels have the clear edge there until we get Elder/Shaped jewels in our world.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 21:16:52
January 04 2018 21:16 GMT
#27117
Dunno i find most of the incidental abyss jewel mods hot garbage

but they do seem much easier to roll 3 synergistic damage mods since any build that wants x-y fire to (type) attacks also wants x-y cold/lightning to (same type) attacks as well as to all attacks etc.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 04 2018 22:47 GMT
#27118
Depends on build tbh, any build where scaling off of flat damage is good makes these new jewels amazing, particularly elemental damage to attack builds ie piscators.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2603 Posts
January 05 2018 01:31 GMT
#27119
I started a super casual Whispering Ice Scion with the hope/understanding that abyss jewels giving a relatively easy 26 int is worth it.

Then again i really havent had any time for this league, and gearing/rebuilding into CI sounds like a pain. I should post the build sometime so you guys can yell at me for glaring errors.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 05 2018 09:01 GMT
#27120
On January 05 2018 10:31 Fleetfeet wrote:
I started a super casual Whispering Ice Scion with the hope/understanding that abyss jewels giving a relatively easy 26 int is worth it.

Then again i really havent had any time for this league, and gearing/rebuilding into CI sounds like a pain. I should post the build sometime so you guys can yell at me for glaring errors.

You should be able to get up to 24 int per jewel (16+8).
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