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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 10:53:34
January 08 2017 10:46 GMT
#23281
Yeah, If you wanna do it reasonably cheap EQ Jugg/Slayer or Warchief Totems Chieftain/Jugg are probably the best choice.

I've seen multiple people from Reddit mention the EQ build from norseman as a good lab farmer. The build would be here. He says it works good on budget as well.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 08 2017 11:47 GMT
#23282
I did an 8 minute 5 key run on my discharger just before (holy shit fully charged izaro hits hard), what sort of times could I expect from a 5ex dedicated lab farmer?
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
January 08 2017 12:44 GMT
#23283
It's going to depend on how many rooms, phases and that kind of stuff obviously but the ladder is usually a good place to check, you'll get a feel for who does full runs and who rushes rather quickly. Most labfarmers don't waste time/effort on a fast run with low keys unless they feel like it for some reason.

At "top tier" speed is decided by how fast and efficient you move more than anything from my experience. That's how e.g. Gucci/Kluffu keep pulling these sub-6 minute runs when the next Slayers are 1-2 minutes behind easily, that's how Juggs are sometimes ahead of Slayers with similar gear, these kind of things. On a good layout with a top tier lab build (Chieftain/Slayer, potentially Jugg, Pathfinder/Occultist CI type stuff) below 4 min is the best you can probably pull off. 5-6 is totally reasonable.

As for classes/builds there's not THAT much variance. Jugg is solid and not that hard to fuck up with but he'll never be the fastest. EQ Slayer/Chieftain can push top times while being reasonably safe. CI Pathfinder/Assassin BV can most likely beat them all still at high gear levels but there's more spots where you can completely fuck up. From personal experience, don't try Ele builds unless you know what you're doing.

If you're new to this I'd say steal 1:1 from Gucci (Jugg), Kluffu (Slayer) or svino (character goat_specialist, CI BV).

Basic Axe is Hezmana's, work from there. There's really not much variance for 2h EQ Labfarmers. =P
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 13:29:39
January 08 2017 13:25 GMT
#23284
8 min 5 key run is already fairly quick. If you can pull that without dying, I wouldn't make a new lab farmer. Personally tried just now with my new Vortex CI regen Inquisitor and wasn't nearly as quick (especially Argus took me a while), but it felt pretty safe at least. Sadly my DPS is not yet high enough to kill Izaro in the 2nd phase before the Lieutenants come in range and I accidently killed one. I tried it another time and still failed and only got 4 keys. Oh well, char is just lvl 81 atm and still can get some more dps nodes and the gems are still lvl 18 yet.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 08 2017 13:30 GMT
#23285
Yeh I don't feel particularly safe while doing it. Thankfully I switched to sc for the rest of the league, and can enjoy the benefits of fucking up.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 15:19:55
January 08 2017 15:08 GMT
#23286
some random FYI's for lab

There are some Izaro fight types where you don't need to wait for all 3 buffs to come up. You will get the key DPSing Izaro ASAP as long as you don't fail the required state. Examples:

Conduits (ele state buff): just DPS izaro. don't need to wait for all three conduits to come up
Essences (golems): just DPS, don't need to wait for all three golems to come up. don't let him absorb a golem

etc. the ones where you have to wait are Charge Disruptors (he needs all ~15? charges), and Idols (all bearers need to explode)

The ice lieutenant can turn on a phys reflect aura, its the same one as the racecourse centaur boss. its not perma reflect, has a visual effect when its on

Sepulchre Halls (looks like Catacombs) is almost always the fastest tileset. After that I like the tileset that looks like Lower/Upper Prison, then the one that looks like Chamber of Sins. The worst is generic outdoor Labyrinth tileset. Layouts are very repetitive in lab, once you can recognize a zone, you can pick which path you prefer the most and do it super fast without looking up the layout every time

in my experience (tested with CI char, no mitigation), unbuffed izaro's top end damage is around 6k. buffed izaro can hit up to at least 8k, maybe 9-10k if double buffed? if anyone else has data / experience with this would be appreciated

8 mins 4+key lab time is perfectly fine, if you are playing safe. whether ur HC or SC, dying is a fairly large setback. I'm happy if I can finish 6 lab runs in an hour, including travel time / selling time, b/c no one is a robot who can run super fast speeds all the time without dying (unless ur gucci i guess). If you can do this for a week you will be rich as fuck, the most annoying thing is pricing all the loot. However it's not AS profitable as it was in the past, more and more people are catching on to the insane loot. I suspect (in HC at least), Atziri farming this league was more profitable for week 1/2
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WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
January 08 2017 16:17 GMT
#23287
Actually ripped my lvl90 golemancer in merciless lab today somehow *facepalm*
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 16:32:34
January 08 2017 16:27 GMT
#23288
that sux. traps or izaro? I always pay for rush if I'm even a little worried about izaro, 3-5c for assurance I won't get slammed to SC

saw this post on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5mr0vr/want_to_become_rich_live_search_rich_people_by/

I actually found one of the comments more interesting, how a guy's group had a google spreadsheet of live url links ready to snipe good stuff. might be a good way to snipe buy rly good rares / off grid uniques in week 1. I'm reminded of Evo buying a voice of the storm for 1 alch lol
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
January 08 2017 16:49 GMT
#23289
does shield regen from zealots oath apply independently from the regular recharge delay when you get hit?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
January 08 2017 17:08 GMT
#23290
yeah. you can get constant ES regen from ZO regardless of damage taken
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incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 20:58:22
January 08 2017 20:58 GMT
#23291
I'm so salty right now. Yesterday I bought a Kaom's Heart on my Warchieftotem Marauder. Today I died to the Exile Prophecy in a Volcano with bad mods (he had soul eater and killed my totems before they even came online). Still kinda my fault to die there. The build was really coming online. Decided to go Ngamahu's + Xoph's blood for full fire conversion. Was pretty decent although nowhere near S-tier.

Fast forward ~3h I am leveling in act 3 cruel solaris and die to a d/c. Riped with a truckload of quality gems and my best leveling gear. That's my third RIP this league where I logout alive (I immediately disconnected as soon as my screen froze at full life) to log back in to Standard.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 08 2017 21:29 GMT
#23292
Dying in HC just after buying good items is pretty common from my experience. :o
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 22:11:45
January 08 2017 22:11 GMT
#23293
Uhm, I got a pretty nooby question. If I play a Cold to Fire (with Pyre) build, would 25% elemental damage be equally good as 25% fire damage and 25% cold damage or would the later be better?
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 08 2017 22:29 GMT
#23294
On January 09 2017 07:11 HolydaKing wrote:
Uhm, I got a pretty nooby question. If I play a Cold to Fire (with Pyre) build, would 25% elemental damage be equally good as 25% fire damage and 25% cold damage or would the later be better?

Latter is better, ele damage only applies once.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-08 22:37:58
January 08 2017 22:34 GMT
#23295
On January 09 2017 07:29 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 07:11 HolydaKing wrote:
Uhm, I got a pretty nooby question. If I play a Cold to Fire (with Pyre) build, would 25% elemental damage be equally good as 25% fire damage and 25% cold damage or would the later be better?

Latter is better, ele damage only applies once.

Then it kinda makes sense that the build I'm following prefers 3 point jewels. For example one of those gives 8% elemental dmg plus tops 25% cold and fire dmg from Izaro's Turmoil. Otherwise could pick up 38% elemental dmg from tree (plus 10 int/dex). Though I think I won't take the 8% mana + Izaro's Turmoil and instead pick the ele dmg nodes. Most damage comes from the ignites so cold damage won't be thaat good I think.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
January 08 2017 23:10 GMT
#23296
On January 09 2017 07:34 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 07:29 Alur wrote:
On January 09 2017 07:11 HolydaKing wrote:
Uhm, I got a pretty nooby question. If I play a Cold to Fire (with Pyre) build, would 25% elemental damage be equally good as 25% fire damage and 25% cold damage or would the later be better?

Latter is better, ele damage only applies once.

Then it kinda makes sense that the build I'm following prefers 3 point jewels. For example one of those gives 8% elemental dmg plus tops 25% cold and fire dmg from Izaro's Turmoil. Otherwise could pick up 38% elemental dmg from tree (plus 10 int/dex). Though I think I won't take the 8% mana + Izaro's Turmoil and instead pick the ele dmg nodes. Most damage comes from the ignites so cold damage won't be thaat good I think.


In first case your initial hit got 58% dmg increased with the ignite got 33% dmg increased. The second case both get 38% dmg increased. I think first case is better.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
January 08 2017 23:19 GMT
#23297
Going to make an essence drain lab farmer, time to jump on the bandwagon of low life +1 gems.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
January 08 2017 23:47 GMT
#23298
Hey, I'm slightly new to PoE (joined in essence), and am playing BSC at the moment.
Was looking for a guild because soloing is kind of boring now. Is the guild in OP still active? How many people generally play?
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
January 09 2017 00:37 GMT
#23299
On January 09 2017 08:47 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hey, I'm slightly new to PoE (joined in essence), and am playing BSC at the moment.
Was looking for a guild because soloing is kind of boring now. Is the guild in OP still active? How many people generally play?


Around 10-12 ppl online in BSC during peak hour I think.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
January 09 2017 01:45 GMT
#23300
On January 09 2017 07:34 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 07:29 Alur wrote:
On January 09 2017 07:11 HolydaKing wrote:
Uhm, I got a pretty nooby question. If I play a Cold to Fire (with Pyre) build, would 25% elemental damage be equally good as 25% fire damage and 25% cold damage or would the later be better?

Latter is better, ele damage only applies once.

Then it kinda makes sense that the build I'm following prefers 3 point jewels. For example one of those gives 8% elemental dmg plus tops 25% cold and fire dmg from Izaro's Turmoil. Otherwise could pick up 38% elemental dmg from tree (plus 10 int/dex). Though I think I won't take the 8% mana + Izaro's Turmoil and instead pick the ele dmg nodes. Most damage comes from the ignites so cold damage won't be thaat good I think.


What are you doing that most damage comes from ignites?
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