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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10920 Posts
December 30 2016 11:00 GMT
#23161
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 30 2016 12:13 GMT
#23162
On December 30 2016 15:17 Frolossus wrote:
is there anything that plays similarly to a shotgun crusader from d3?
short-mid range conical damage that increases as you get closer to your target. lots of stutter stepping

or jade witch doctor where you cast a bunch of dots then nuke things based on like 30 seconds of future dot damage?

Freezing Pulse is more effective closer you are to enemy.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 30 2016 12:23 GMT
#23163
On December 30 2016 07:01 ASoo wrote:
OK, so now that I'm reasonably rich and farming steadily on a reasonable build, I think it's time to sink some currency into something stupid, pointless, hipsterish, and meme-laden. Here's what I'm thinking so far:
  • Cast-while-Channeling Wither + Lightning Warp, using it constantly as my primary way of attacking and moving.
  • Voltaxic Rift for lightning>chaos damage conversion, and so my chaos damage shocks.
  • The Three Dragons so my remaining lightning damage freezes.
  • Do most of my damage with Herald of Thunder and Herald of Ice, which proc when killing shocked and frozen enemies, respectively.
  • The Writhing Jar, to consistently proc my Heralds.
  • Vinktar for leech on my lightning damage (maybe, not sure if it's worth it with 60% of my lightning damage being converted to chaos)

I'm wondering:
  • Should I go Pathfinder (for flask uptime and to consistently poison with my lightning spells), or Assassin (for more poison damage and crit stuff, but would need to find another source of poison and would have trouble keeping my flasks up)? Or maybe Occultist?
  • Is it worth putting a Cast on Crit Essence Drain setup on my Herald of Thunder (to also be running ED+Contagion), or would I not have enough links for ED to do real damage?
  • Should I use Pyre (so my Herald of Ice would deal fire damage, which would shock), or leave it as cold damage (which would ignite)?
  • Any other suggestions?

(Yes, I am aware that this build is stupid and will probably never get past low maps.)

I think I am pretty known by now for trying out hipster, crazy builds but this one is even hipster by my standards :D

I can tell you that I tried a full on Saboteur Trapper using Voltaxic and Lightning Traps with Traps poison jewels and didn't work well. I don't know how other Lighting to Chaos would work well. Thing is you lose two slots of lots of bonus damage, except for conversion to Chaos, Voltaxic does not boost your damage and even with Drillneck in quiver slot (and 100% pierce) damage is not good enough - and you will not even be able to use Drillneck with non projectile Lightning spells.

But if you really want to do this, I would go pathfinder for Poison on any flask use. Poison is 50% of the reason to go Chaos damage.
Another option would be to go 100% conversion to fire and use Fire to Chaos conversion :D

Or do an autobomber which this seems to be similar to anyways (but more complicated using worse items).
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 30 2016 12:28 GMT
#23164
On December 30 2016 20:00 Velr wrote:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.

Stacking Chaos is only worth it if you get a decent number of either physical to chaos conversion of get enough add extra chaos damage based on physical. But 10% increased physical is never going to be worse than 10% increased chaos.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-30 17:25:19
December 30 2016 17:20 GMT
#23165
On December 30 2016 15:17 Frolossus wrote:
is there anything that plays similarly to a shotgun crusader from d3?
short-mid range conical damage that increases as you get closer to your target. lots of stutter stepping

or jade witch doctor where you cast a bunch of dots then nuke things based on like 30 seconds of future dot damage?


shrapnel shot with point blank seems like it'd be the first from the way you describe it, i've never played D3 so not sure if that's actually similar. i googled for a vid, but can't find anything that's from this league or the last, apparently it's not a very popular skill lol.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10920 Posts
December 30 2016 18:47 GMT
#23166
On December 30 2016 21:28 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2016 20:00 Velr wrote:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.

Stacking Chaos is only worth it if you get a decent number of either physical to chaos conversion of get enough add extra chaos damage based on physical. But 10% increased physical is never going to be worse than 10% increased chaos.


So, do i understand the assassin perk right?
Physical leads to bleed which leads to poison/chaos.

Therefore phys is best? So why do some people push chaos nodes?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 30 2016 21:32 GMT
#23167
On December 31 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2016 21:28 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 30 2016 20:00 Velr wrote:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.

Stacking Chaos is only worth it if you get a decent number of either physical to chaos conversion of get enough add extra chaos damage based on physical. But 10% increased physical is never going to be worse than 10% increased chaos.


So, do i understand the assassin perk right?
Physical leads to bleed which leads to poison/chaos.

Therefore phys is best? So why do some people push chaos nodes?


the poison double dips the increased chaos dmg
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 30 2016 23:22 GMT
#23168
On December 31 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2016 21:28 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 30 2016 20:00 Velr wrote:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.

Stacking Chaos is only worth it if you get a decent number of either physical to chaos conversion of get enough add extra chaos damage based on physical. But 10% increased physical is never going to be worse than 10% increased chaos.


So, do i understand the assassin perk right?
Physical leads to bleed which leads to poison/chaos.

Therefore phys is best? So why do some people push chaos nodes?

Poison damage is equal to 8% of your physical+chaos damage dealt to enemy. Poison damage itself is Chaos damage. So increased chaos damage nodes double dip but that means little if most of your damage is physical. You will get more by just increasing physical damage. Also Bleed Damage is based on physical damage only. So if you bleed and poison, physical damage increase is better.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1331 Posts
December 31 2016 08:18 GMT
#23169
On December 31 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2016 21:28 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 30 2016 20:00 Velr wrote:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYAAAQHBx4I9A5ID6sRLxGWFe0WvxhqIvQkiyaVKgsqOCsKOlg9X0lRSbFMs1JTVL1VxlgHXEBd8mHiZJ1qQ2qMbAttGXBSdf14L3zlf8aD24Rvj_qTJ5UulouXlZf0m6Gi2ayYsNi1SMBUwzrIFNRC1bnXz-tj6_XviPDV8h31b_fX-Tc=

How about this for an Assassin-Bladeflurry-CWC-Bladefall build?
And should i later stack up Chaos DMG (due to Assassin Ascendancy) or remain looking for Phys?

Its HC and Life focussed because i'm still pretty poor.

Stacking Chaos is only worth it if you get a decent number of either physical to chaos conversion of get enough add extra chaos damage based on physical. But 10% increased physical is never going to be worse than 10% increased chaos.


So, do i understand the assassin perk right?
Physical leads to bleed which leads to poison/chaos.

Therefore phys is best? So why do some people push chaos nodes?


Wait doesn't that build use the added chaos gem cos it's to both BFs?

In which case a significant portion of your damage isn't even from chaos conversion.
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 09:41:07
December 31 2016 09:30 GMT
#23170
Sorry for continuous noob questions, but I think I have enough Chaos Orbs stashed to start making moves toward this Trypanon Templar build.

Is http://poe.trade/search/kunonoyokeyoba the website you guys use for trading?

edit: I also see a ton of characters using this unique item Facebreaker Mitts+ Show Spoiler +
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Facebreaker
. Do unique items stay at a certain level (Facebreaker mitts are level 16), or can they drop as higher level/stats?

This could just me being new to PoE, but it seems off that these suped up toons would be using a level 40 weapon and level 16 gloves still.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 10:07:06
December 31 2016 09:53 GMT
#23171
Yes, that's the site. Selling on that site works either through premium stash tabs (need to be bought through MTX shop) or, the old way, through creating forum shops. The later is not so comfortable, but with the help of some tools like Acquisition or Procurement (i think they still exist?) it's kinda okay.

Facebreaker are Facebreaker, they don't have another version or can be upgraded. They vary hugely on the rolls, though. But it can be used all the way to lvl 100 if you know what to do, as strange as it may sound to you. That means using no weapon and scaling the damage with physical damage to attacks from rings/amulets and other stuff that have it like Abyssus (a unique). Facebreaker boosts that damage a lot if used when unarmed.

With Trypanon it's kinda similar, you always crit with attacks which is a unique stat to the weapon. This alone makes it really strong with the right build.

Also FYI there often are fake offers on the top of the list on poe.trade, basically people that try to make uniques cheaper. Also people often don't check price and those items get either sold really quickly or relisted later on.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 12:26:29
December 31 2016 12:25 GMT
#23172
On December 31 2016 18:30 sung_moon wrote:
Sorry for continuous noob questions, but I think I have enough Chaos Orbs stashed to start making moves toward this Trypanon Templar build.

Is http://poe.trade/search/kunonoyokeyoba the website you guys use for trading?

edit: I also see a ton of characters using this unique item Facebreaker Mitts+ Show Spoiler +
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Facebreaker
. Do unique items stay at a certain level (Facebreaker mitts are level 16), or can they drop as higher level/stats?

This could just me being new to PoE, but it seems off that these suped up toons would be using a level 40 weapon and level 16 gloves still.


You shouldn't use the required level for an item as a reference of its usefulness. Facebreakers can be used as an endgame (level 90+) weapon too. And some other high level items are useless.
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Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
December 31 2016 12:39 GMT
#23173

This could just me being new to PoE, but it seems off that these suped up toons would be using a level 40 weapon and level 16 gloves still.


You gotta think differently here, remember most people arent using their main attacks in 1 handed weapons either (they 4 , 5 or 6 link their armor for the attack skill) so the weapon becomes kind of like a "stat-stick" that adds some property to your linked gems in your armor. -> meaning weapon dmg or level for some skills arent really important
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
December 31 2016 19:57 GMT
#23174
On December 31 2016 18:30 sung_moon wrote:
Sorry for continuous noob questions, but I think I have enough Chaos Orbs stashed to start making moves toward this Trypanon Templar build.

Is http://poe.trade/search/kunonoyokeyoba the website you guys use for trading?

edit: I also see a ton of characters using this unique item Facebreaker Mitts+ Show Spoiler +
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Facebreaker
. Do unique items stay at a certain level (Facebreaker mitts are level 16), or can they drop as higher level/stats?

This could just me being new to PoE, but it seems off that these suped up toons would be using a level 40 weapon and level 16 gloves still.

items have an item level and an equip level. it's important that the item level is high enough to roll max sockets
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 31 2016 20:15 GMT
#23175
Doesn't matter at all for uniques though.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 31 2016 20:33 GMT
#23176
i just started playing this game casually w a friend. is infernal blow any good? or is earthquake better in every way? and is there a way to farm respec points or are they limited to a certain number of quest-based rewards?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 20:45:51
December 31 2016 20:42 GMT
#23177
On January 01 2017 05:33 IgnE wrote:
i just started playing this game casually w a friend. is infernal blow any good? or is earthquake better in every way? and is there a way to farm respec points or are they limited to a certain number of quest-based rewards?

Not an expert on Infernal Blow but I'd think that it's inferior to Earthquake in most cases, an exception might be when there are A LOT of monsters.

You pretty much are limited to the 24 respec points from quests if you don't have much currency, the Orb of Regrets needed for respecing don't drop very often. There's a Divination Card you could farm, but it'd end up disappointing and taking too long, don't do it. If you mess up a character too hard, I'd suggest to restart once you struggle too much.
incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-31 23:06:59
December 31 2016 21:15 GMT
#23178
I am currently planning a full fire conversion dual warchief totem build using Ngamahu's Flame. Before I sink >150c into that can anyone tell me whether the "Attack with Moltenstrike on Hit" will proc from the totems if they attack or from me despite using totems?

Re: Infernal Blow vs Earthquake: I think EQ is mechanically superior simply for the fact that you can hit the ground and the explosion will go off. That being said Infernal Blow's explosion is incredibly satisfying.

Edit: My question is answered in the negative here: www.pathofexile.com. It is even intended behavior. Good thing I noticed before buying my gear.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-01 01:59:41
January 01 2017 01:58 GMT
#23179
On January 01 2017 06:15 incinerate_ wrote:
I am currently planning a full fire conversion dual warchief totem build using Ngamahu's Flame. Before I sink >150c into that can anyone tell me whether the "Attack with Moltenstrike on Hit" will proc from the totems if they attack or from me despite using totems?

Re: Infernal Blow vs Earthquake: I think EQ is mechanically superior simply for the fact that you can hit the ground and the explosion will go off. That being said Infernal Blow's explosion is incredibly satisfying.

Edit: My question is answered in the negative here: www.pathofexile.com. It is even intended behavior. Good thing I noticed before buying my gear.

I am playing a such build with an elementalist and it is super powerful, even without Molten Burst effect.

30k dps per totem with unoptimized character that still needs to do uber lab (which would give me 25% fire penetration) on a 5L. Also I am still not using Xoph's Blood amulet which is part of this build.
Add on top of that Ignite damage and this will go crazy.
incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
January 01 2017 02:32 GMT
#23180
On January 01 2017 10:58 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2017 06:15 incinerate_ wrote:
I am currently planning a full fire conversion dual warchief totem build using Ngamahu's Flame. Before I sink >150c into that can anyone tell me whether the "Attack with Moltenstrike on Hit" will proc from the totems if they attack or from me despite using totems?

Re: Infernal Blow vs Earthquake: I think EQ is mechanically superior simply for the fact that you can hit the ground and the explosion will go off. That being said Infernal Blow's explosion is incredibly satisfying.

Edit: My question is answered in the negative here: www.pathofexile.com. It is even intended behavior. Good thing I noticed before buying my gear.

I am playing a such build with an elementalist and it is super powerful, even without Molten Burst effect.

30k dps per totem with unoptimized character that still needs to do uber lab (which would give me 25% fire penetration) on a 5L. Also I am still not using Xoph's Blood amulet which is part of this build.
Add on top of that Ignite damage and this will go crazy.


Hmm, that sounds interesting. I am just not sure whether it's better than the following alternative which some people use: Kongor's Undying Rage + Elemental Overload using Call of the Brotherhood, Pyre, Phys to Lightning (and Xoph's or Avatar of Fire). Kongor's has higher dps (and is 3c while Ngamahus is >= 60c in BHC) and EO is the better multiplier (compared to the 10 Fire Pen that Nagamhu's gives you). You can probably make that up with two good rings though.

The ignite is a really good point which I hadn't thought about yet. Does Phys Damage that is converted to fire double dip on the ignite? Probably not?

I leveled a Marauder (plan to go Chieftain) but I see the appeal of Elementalist with the additional fire penetration.
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