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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 26 2016 22:28 GMT
#21841
I wanna kill the new bosses, is anyone gonna be playing support on EHC?
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
August 26 2016 22:37 GMT
#21842
On August 27 2016 03:46 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 02:50 LagLovah wrote:
Please evo, the real reason you play hc over SC is you can't handle the amount of ridicule I would throw your way. I still remember when you tried that crap a few leagues ago.

That said, depending how harshly gated this content is, I might not be opposed to a hiatus into SC again, to see what's up.

No way in hell I'd give up the first 1-2 weeks in HC those are wayyy too much fun. Nice Perandus Portal btw!


I can't use my perandus portal for the shame it causes me to have gotten it via sc
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
August 26 2016 23:05 GMT
#21843
On August 27 2016 07:28 Alur wrote:
I wanna kill the new bosses, is anyone gonna be playing support on EHC?

Give me a link of a guide alur with what exactly do you need , i ll give it a try.I never played support before.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 26 2016 23:22 GMT
#21844
On August 27 2016 04:03 iloveav wrote:
looking for invite, @fastfierce

Invite sent, enjoy~
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
August 27 2016 04:26 GMT
#21845
What's a reasonable amount of time to make 100ex for someone in beginning of a temp HC league?

lets assume the player doesn't drop any 10ex+ value items

of course it will still depend a lot on RNG but what kinda time frame?

has there been any players who have done something like this and publicized it?
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
August 27 2016 06:03 GMT
#21846
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/4esyat/sc200_dried_lake_runs_2c_per_minute_or_how_i_made/

Question is why would you need all that currency? Grinding maps got me probably half an exalt an hour (super conservative) in my experience. R.evo might say something about selling HC runs of dom, but don't listen to him! I never had to farm for currency as long as I was committed to chaining maps non stop and doing un-id chaos recipe (R.evo will also say don't do the recipe).
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
August 27 2016 06:27 GMT
#21847
So he can die and fund all of TLHC crew when he quits. Duh.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 27 2016 08:21 GMT
#21848
If you wanna make Goldman Sachs money you have to do market manipulation.

But actually just being in the top of the HC ladder early in league is extremely profitable in itself, because the gear you find is better than what 99% of players are finding themselves, you can also start selling all the maps that you're not interested in while they're still valuable, as well as doing various services for a high fee (I could imagine there being a big market for that this league).

On August 27 2016 08:05 phantomlancer23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 07:28 Alur wrote:
I wanna kill the new bosses, is anyone gonna be playing support on EHC?

Give me a link of a guide alur with what exactly do you need , i ll give it a try.I never played support before.

Gonna have to see the patch notes before I decide what to play.
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GodZo
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 10:55:50
August 27 2016 10:53 GMT
#21849
State of Path of Exile at the moment is at the lowest possible ever, forcing players to play hateful labyrints to get skill points.

I played a lot this game and supported it, but I'm out until Wilson will change his mentality or will sell PoE to other developers.

But surprised someone still play this game.

Maybe, like many others, I await some new Diablo 2 clones, not much actracted to actual RPGs, I still would to play Diablo 2 with a bit better graphic and better multiplayer.

Just my opinion.
프로토스, Yellow, GdZ
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
August 27 2016 11:12 GMT
#21850
On August 27 2016 13:26 Smuft wrote:
What's a reasonable amount of time to make 100ex for someone in beginning of a temp HC league?

lets assume the player doesn't drop any 10ex+ value items

of course it will still depend a lot on RNG but what kinda time frame?

has there been any players who have done something like this and publicized it?

Most efficient way would be to flip. Why you want 100 ex? For hh?
With pure mapping expecting no unique drops I'd say 30c+/hr with random stats I've taken myself but that could be more or a bit less.

On August 27 2016 19:53 GodZo wrote:
State of Path of Exile at the moment is at the lowest possible ever, forcing players to play hateful labyrints to get skill points.

I played a lot this game and supported it, but I'm out until Wilson will change his mentality or will sell PoE to other developers.

But surprised someone still play this game.

Maybe, like many others, I await some new Diablo 2 clones, not much actracted to actual RPGs, I still would to play Diablo 2 with a bit better graphic and better multiplayer.

Just my opinion.

I liked the forced part of labyrinth myself. It's nervous on expensive or first char and needs a pause from normal leveling but that's why I like it.
I don't really know tho where you got that hyperbolic opinion - surely you don't expect PoE to be/stay as closest D2 clone possible and not expand on their own ideas.
as useful as teasalt
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 11:17:00
August 27 2016 11:15 GMT
#21851
On August 27 2016 13:26 Smuft wrote:
What's a reasonable amount of time to make 100ex for someone in beginning of a temp HC league?

lets assume the player doesn't drop any 10ex+ value items

of course it will still depend a lot on RNG but what kinda time frame?

has there been any players who have done something like this and publicized it?

If we're talking about a solo player I'd argue this can only be done by grinding (see the thread pahndah posted) or by finding some really, really valuable knowledge while choosing to ruin his own profit for the sake of secrecy. A tight-knit group will always be able to exploit these things more than an individual.

Examples I can think of:
  • Buying up undervalued items. I forgot which league but I still have a tab full of Cloaks of Defiance that I bought up for like 3-5c each when they later spiked to 30c-1ex+ in the same league. I got the 'tip' that it's great item from messaging someone who had an intriguing build in a streamers party.
  • Subgroup of this is reading trends correctly. Mathil makes a video on a cool build? You have like 30 minutes to buy all that shit up. Varunastras were a great example of this, people turned crazy profits there.
  • Using to the public unknown recipes. Remember expensive 20% quality gems and GCPMan? Yeah, that was partially because not many people knew how to flip level 20 gems yet.
  • Cartels case #1: The +3 Bows and Staves before that method was known. The reddit post can be seen here. Note that '72 Mirrors' might be an exaggeration - according to Chris himself he never saw more than 8 in one persons account.
  • Cartels case #1b: Abusing the 'cannot change pre-/suffix' mods before it became known to the public. Reddit thread and picture explanation.
  • Cartels case #2: Monopolizing Merciless Lab enchantments with a pretty sick system. Reddit thread here.
  • Cartels case #3 was, if I remember it correctly, the same group monopolizing Uber drops asap. PoE Forum thread.

It should be noted that all the cartel cases were done in SC but odds are there are similar groups operating like this in Hardcore but they're a bit more hushhush about it. In the end cornering markets extremely fast and/or abusing mostly unknown mechanics and/or just being the usual dickwad are probably the smartest ways for getting phat bucks.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 27 2016 12:07 GMT
#21852
People vastly underestimate the rate at which currency flipping stacks up.

I made more then 30 ex in a day in perandus from that.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 27 2016 12:17 GMT
#21853
On August 27 2016 21:07 bo1b wrote:
People vastly underestimate the rate at which currency flipping stacks up.

I made more then 30 ex in a day in perandus from that.


Flipping is also probably the most boring thing you can do sadly. You really need a goal or some reason for all the currency you're amassing to be worthwhile.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 27 2016 12:23 GMT
#21854
Yeh it's not fun, but I wanted to play a coc discharge with decent gear, and 40ex was enough to put me into a very nice position.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 12:51:43
August 27 2016 12:50 GMT
#21855
Really just playing and selling most of the semi good items you find (lets say for example 200 armor, 20 movespeed, 60hp and 40 res) boots for a chaos. Doing chaos recipe by collecting belts, amus and rings first (those are the bottlenecks). Rolling some good jewels/flasks (sell +movespeed quicksilvers, bleed flasks, instant heal flasks, etc).

Couple that with items like div cards or semi good uniques which sell for something like 10c and you can get a couple hundred chaos pretty quickly.

Flipping does earn you a lot of money but its boring as fuck and something I wouldnt waste my time on. If I see an opportunity to make some money I wont turn it down of course. Someone underselling a unique for instance. Or for example the exalts being at 24c in prophecy and shooting up to 50+ later in the league.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-27 12:51:34
August 27 2016 12:51 GMT
#21856
quote instead of edit...
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
August 27 2016 16:46 GMT
#21857
I made some research for support builds.It seems recipe for disaster you try to reserve as much hp you can with out CI only with chaos resistance.Found 2 compatible guides.Are they good? Any suggestions?
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1656032
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1596467
The first seems better.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 27 2016 21:46 GMT
#21858
On August 28 2016 01:46 phantomlancer23 wrote:
I made some research for support builds.It seems recipe for disaster you try to reserve as much hp you can with out CI only with chaos resistance.Found 2 compatible guides.Are they good? Any suggestions?
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1656032
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1596467
The first seems better.

First guide:

To be extra tanky we use Efeeble in a blasphemy setup, because we want this curse to allways be in effect and curse all the mobs around you, because it is such an insane defensive Curse.


2nd guide no curses at all.

Both shitbuilds.

In a nutshell I'd go as far as arguing that if a support build that doesn't use Quill Rain to curse it's probably a shitbuild for pushing hard content fast. Damage in PoE is snapshotted and usually a support isn't the one to lead the pack because he both lacks a bit of mobility and part of his job is to deal with item drops. To properly apply curses in this scenario Blasphemy is really awkward.

Granted this mindset probably only applies to the 1% of the 1% but I'll presume that when Alur asks about supports what he's looking for is that kind of mindset at least to a certain extent.

In a nutshell the basic components if you want the highest possible combination of speed and safety (most popular support builds are only focused on the latter) are defensive auras and defensive & offensive curses that are applied as damn instant as possible (hence Quill Rain).

The best source for this is probably Tieryal. This are his characters. Note smaller shit like Enfeeble/Warlords/Eleweakness as main curses, the latter without quality (!!!), the need to work on a 5L or even 4L quickly (6L goes to carries). He once made a thread on builds but this is a bit outdated at this point and it's prolly best to stalk his characters/reddit posts to get an idea of the reasons behind these choices.

All of the above is completely irrelevant if you want to play a support purely for defense and not optimized for quick clearing and chaining maps and even then you need to work around your party and plan around it beforehand. In that case a build like the first one you linked is probably reasonable.

If you want to go for the speed/efficiency path then a huge part in why someone like Havoc does so well is because someone like Tieryal just has a better support mindset for this task than most people.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
August 27 2016 22:20 GMT
#21859
Wow evo that was a great analysis, you should write some guides in poe forums to become famous xD.I m not thinking to play this thing alone it ll torture me badly also i m not masochist, i ll play only in a party if i ll find some people from TL, if not ill go softcore the tornadoshot or splitarrow.Thanks for the analysis anyway.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 27 2016 22:33 GMT
#21860
I didn't mean this to be discouraging, in the end the most important thing is that it works with and for the people you're playing with. It could very well be that Alur steps in and is like "I'd take any guardian I can get and idc if we take two weeks to do this" and that's totally fine. Even if you want to push it the basic combo of Quill Rain + Defensive Auras isn't a crazy difficult point to start with.

Just this being TL and all I might as well present the elitist approach and potential that's out there. I genuinely think it's funny that all this information is out there, Tieryal is rather open (albeit sometimes a bit of a dick) about it and yet all people see is what an amazing grinder Havoc is. No doubt he's great but the difference between running with someone with the above approach compared to what most people think makes a great support is probably pretty huge.

I'd be kinda into this myself but my major issue is that I don't think I put enough hours in to do this reliably over more than a week and wanting to play some but being unable to because a group you know isn't around sounds pretty miserable. =P
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