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On June 03 2016 06:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 05:34 travis wrote: Flameblast prolif is very strong, the prolif may be a little smaller but the damage is still good enough even with less damage. The main reason people used to use it, and the reason it is a top pick again, is that the mechanics of the skill are very overpowered(well that and -50% damage from reflect). You can clear quickly and from far away.
If the clearing you saw was slow, the player was bad or the build was bad or wasn't ready yet. There are very few builds that can clear as quickly, and definitely not as quickly and as safely. It sounds like havoc is going flameblast this league. Zizaran is going flameblast and he was testing it on his stream and his clear speed was very high, and he said that 2.3 will be much faster than it was in his tests. Can someone link a build? I haven't done much research this time around and want to compare to the couple things I will look at. youtube.com 6 min vid with explanations + gameplay by a guy who went lvl 99 in HC last league I think.
passive tree is below the vid.
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On June 03 2016 05:28 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 05:12 pahndah wrote: I hear flameblast prolift is going to be the meta for starting beginners, anyone have experience with that? I plan to go bows since I haven't tried that yet unless someone has amazing input on flameblast. I've seen a few videos of flameblast clearing, but it didn't seem that much faster compared to other builds (and slightly clunky?), but the boss damage did seem quite decent. If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. Something akin to this sounds pretty good. I think that build only got buffed since then but I'm also a fanboy. :3
That's the build I'll be going. There's a SC version I found that drops the left 38%? life nodes for like 100% more crit multi and +1 frenzy (aka more damage). Interchangeable with enough regrets to go the voltaxic + frostwall route in case i don't like it. And yes the bleed+poison stacking buff looks real nice, I'm sure uber izaro will be super easy with this, take off split, hit him once or twice for 100k poison ticks, run around like a chicken for 10 seconds --> profit. 100% more damage on bleed and poison ezpz. Gearwise might be a tad costly but who knows.
Thanks to others on flameblast info, I'll stick to bows since I've already done enough spark, totems, firestorm caster stuff already. 40/40 grind inc.
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On June 03 2016 06:45 pahndah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 05:28 r.Evo wrote:On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 05:12 pahndah wrote: I hear flameblast prolift is going to be the meta for starting beginners, anyone have experience with that? I plan to go bows since I haven't tried that yet unless someone has amazing input on flameblast. I've seen a few videos of flameblast clearing, but it didn't seem that much faster compared to other builds (and slightly clunky?), but the boss damage did seem quite decent. If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. Something akin to this sounds pretty good. I think that build only got buffed since then but I'm also a fanboy. :3 That's the build I'll be going. There's a SC version I found that drops the left 38%? life nodes for like 100% more crit multi and +1 frenzy (aka more damage). Interchangeable with enough regrets to go the voltaxic + frostwall route in case i don't like it. And yes the bleed+poison stacking buff looks real nice, I'm sure uber izaro will be super easy with this, take off split, hit him once or twice for 100k poison ticks, run around like a chicken for 10 seconds --> profit. 100% more damage on bleed and poison ezpz. Gearwise might be a tad costly but who knows. Thanks to others on flameblast info, I'll stick to bows since I've already done enough spark, totems, firestorm caster stuff already. 40/40 grind inc.
I was thinking about doing an assassin voltaxic pierce but thinking about how to sustain power charges just gave me a headache without finding a solution. I'll go for a deadeye voltaxic 45% crit with diamond flask. Thanks for reminding me snakebite, I'll definitely use it.
Also, assassin mostly has the 100% more poison damage on crit. Does it justify to take it instead of all the deadeye perks? +1 arrow, more damage with projectile distance, basic projectile damage and depending on your 2 last points, constant 100% Inc crit chance from Pierce or 45% crit multi from bleeding ennemies
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On June 03 2016 07:08 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 06:45 pahndah wrote:On June 03 2016 05:28 r.Evo wrote:On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 05:12 pahndah wrote: I hear flameblast prolift is going to be the meta for starting beginners, anyone have experience with that? I plan to go bows since I haven't tried that yet unless someone has amazing input on flameblast. I've seen a few videos of flameblast clearing, but it didn't seem that much faster compared to other builds (and slightly clunky?), but the boss damage did seem quite decent. If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. Something akin to this sounds pretty good. I think that build only got buffed since then but I'm also a fanboy. :3 That's the build I'll be going. There's a SC version I found that drops the left 38%? life nodes for like 100% more crit multi and +1 frenzy (aka more damage). Interchangeable with enough regrets to go the voltaxic + frostwall route in case i don't like it. And yes the bleed+poison stacking buff looks real nice, I'm sure uber izaro will be super easy with this, take off split, hit him once or twice for 100k poison ticks, run around like a chicken for 10 seconds --> profit. 100% more damage on bleed and poison ezpz. Gearwise might be a tad costly but who knows. Thanks to others on flameblast info, I'll stick to bows since I've already done enough spark, totems, firestorm caster stuff already. 40/40 grind inc. I was thinking about doing an assassin voltaxic pierce but thinking about how to sustain power charges just gave me a headache without finding a solution. I'll go for a deadeye voltaxic 45% crit with diamond flask. Thanks for reminding me snakebite, I'll definitely use it. Also, assassin mostly has the 100% more poison damage on crit. Does it justify to take it instead of all the deadeye perks? +1 arrow, more damage with projectile distance, basic projectile damage and depending on your 2 last points, constant 100% Inc crit chance from Pierce or 45% crit multi from bleeding ennemies
Assassin is very easy to hit crit cap, frenzy + gmp + pcoc + fa for quick charges. 100% MORE poison and 100% MORE bleed node alone beats out all of the deadeye stuff I believe? Also snake eye + maim is more defensive options. +1 arrow seems marginal when you have GMP in my eyes. All I know is that the video I saw of this build had quick daresso transitions from off screen, and killed double firestorm lady off screen in a few seconds so I was sold on the build. I'm sure deadeye is fine but I'll be going with assassin. Corrupting snakebite for vuln on hit will be quite the chore though, but at least its not required.
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On June 03 2016 06:44 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 06:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 03 2016 05:34 travis wrote: Flameblast prolif is very strong, the prolif may be a little smaller but the damage is still good enough even with less damage. The main reason people used to use it, and the reason it is a top pick again, is that the mechanics of the skill are very overpowered(well that and -50% damage from reflect). You can clear quickly and from far away.
If the clearing you saw was slow, the player was bad or the build was bad or wasn't ready yet. There are very few builds that can clear as quickly, and definitely not as quickly and as safely. It sounds like havoc is going flameblast this league. Zizaran is going flameblast and he was testing it on his stream and his clear speed was very high, and he said that 2.3 will be much faster than it was in his tests. Can someone link a build? I haven't done much research this time around and want to compare to the couple things I will look at. youtube.com 6 min vid with explanations + gameplay by a guy who went lvl 99 in HC last league I think. passive tree is below the vid. Beauty. Thanks a ton dude.
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So what's like the go to raider build? Perma phasing seems good.
So hard deciding on first char to start league....
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Having never done flameblast, cyclone or CoC builds, I'll probably pick one of those for Prophecy SC, leaning toward CoC discharge atm. Bladefall trapper is also enticing with the new Cospri's Will chest but I'm assuming that's going to be very very expensive.
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On June 03 2016 08:04 pahndah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 07:08 Superouman wrote:On June 03 2016 06:45 pahndah wrote:On June 03 2016 05:28 r.Evo wrote:On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 05:12 pahndah wrote: I hear flameblast prolift is going to be the meta for starting beginners, anyone have experience with that? I plan to go bows since I haven't tried that yet unless someone has amazing input on flameblast. I've seen a few videos of flameblast clearing, but it didn't seem that much faster compared to other builds (and slightly clunky?), but the boss damage did seem quite decent. If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. Something akin to this sounds pretty good. I think that build only got buffed since then but I'm also a fanboy. :3 That's the build I'll be going. There's a SC version I found that drops the left 38%? life nodes for like 100% more crit multi and +1 frenzy (aka more damage). Interchangeable with enough regrets to go the voltaxic + frostwall route in case i don't like it. And yes the bleed+poison stacking buff looks real nice, I'm sure uber izaro will be super easy with this, take off split, hit him once or twice for 100k poison ticks, run around like a chicken for 10 seconds --> profit. 100% more damage on bleed and poison ezpz. Gearwise might be a tad costly but who knows. Thanks to others on flameblast info, I'll stick to bows since I've already done enough spark, totems, firestorm caster stuff already. 40/40 grind inc. I was thinking about doing an assassin voltaxic pierce but thinking about how to sustain power charges just gave me a headache without finding a solution. I'll go for a deadeye voltaxic 45% crit with diamond flask. Thanks for reminding me snakebite, I'll definitely use it. Also, assassin mostly has the 100% more poison damage on crit. Does it justify to take it instead of all the deadeye perks? +1 arrow, more damage with projectile distance, basic projectile damage and depending on your 2 last points, constant 100% Inc crit chance from Pierce or 45% crit multi from bleeding ennemies Assassin is very easy to hit crit cap, frenzy + gmp + pcoc + fa for quick charges. 100% MORE poison and 100% MORE bleed node alone beats out all of the deadeye stuff I believe? Also snake eye + maim is more defensive options. +1 arrow seems marginal when you have GMP in my eyes. All I know is that the video I saw of this build had quick daresso transitions from off screen, and killed double firestorm lady off screen in a few seconds so I was sold on the build. I'm sure deadeye is fine but I'll be going with assassin. Corrupting snakebite for vuln on hit will be quite the chore though, but at least its not required.
Right you are doing a puncture poison build. You could add a wither spell totem so you can maim and hinder bosses. and you could self cast temp chains to slow izaro even more and then run around like a chicken
Don't forget you will need to charge up your frenzy charges before izaro if you can't to poison hm as soon as you can shoot at him. I think worm flask + southbound is the best solution. After you are at max frenzy charges, you switch the flask out with the least important one for the combat (probably a quicksilver) and southbound with snakebite. In your snakebite, use a setup that will not be important for the beginning of the fight like vaal haste, vaal clarity, bloodrage, inc dura.
My first idea for the prophecy league for an uber izaro farmer was a blast rain trapper chin sol point blank assassin with temp chains blasphemy so you can maim, hinder and temp chains at the same time (+ maybe a single vortex trap for the chill). But that would be so annoying to sustain power charges without jaws of agony. The boss would be close to zero movement speed :D
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On June 03 2016 04:37 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 04:33 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:27 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:24 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:21 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:05 HolydaKing wrote:I'm playing in a duo all the time and my mate will maybe duo curse Blasphemy, so ... I intended to just use Clarity and AA. Not sure if that's too much mana left though. If he doesn't end up using Blasphemy or Curses at all, then I could probably fit in one. More would probably reduce the mana too much for MoM, so not a good idea. Also your build has even less Life and far less regen, which of course wouldn't matter IF you could use 2 curses, but I'm sure it's limiting the mana too much. edit: oh you said CWDT curses lol, need to read better... i honestly don't think that's a good idea. edit2: and yes, I'm mostly worried about getting one shot. wanna complete the uber labyrinth.  You should think about which oneshots. Huge lifepool helps against volatile (that's why CI is generally considered safer than life) and nothing but praying really is going to save you from severe DD fuck up. Well the build I want should be able to tank a smash from fully buffed Izaro (my Gladiator took ~5-6k dmg with decent Armour IIRC) and hopefully Uber Izaro with 0 buffs. EA Sucks ass against izaro even with 2 icewalls placed on top of each other. You said you are playing with friend so you two should be able to work even uber izaro out but... Fuck man... EA is so bad against single target if you aren't manipulating boss to come in corner. Really that bad? Hmm, will tell my buddy to to pick a good ST char then. I thought with -75% res it could be decent enough for bosses and thought Frostwall is really good, but perhaps more so for LA. Yeah, you'll do sick dmg with just fire pene as long as your GMP explosions are hitting the target but a lot of bosses move around and run away. I've tried 4l singletarget setup and IDK why but t10+ and above it's simply below average. Maybe weapon swap into 5L wtfbbq burning arrow would be best hehe. Couldn't you just gem swap before Izaro and tough bosses? I also just checked a EA guide which also says biggest problem is single target damage, so I think it's probably wise to drop the AoE from Scion and pick some more dmg, at least if we end up lacking single target damage. ea st is more than fine. i never used frostwall just swapped out aoe for conc before the boss -> mirror arrow in front of the boss so he stands in place and 5 stacked him with ea + coh frenzy flammability.(i played mostly solo tho) if u expect vms or coc discharge st, thats the wrong build your build has way more aoe than i had + eo, so you're completely fine in red maps
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On June 03 2016 22:59 kju wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 04:37 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:33 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:27 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:24 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:21 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:05 HolydaKing wrote:I'm playing in a duo all the time and my mate will maybe duo curse Blasphemy, so ... I intended to just use Clarity and AA. Not sure if that's too much mana left though. If he doesn't end up using Blasphemy or Curses at all, then I could probably fit in one. More would probably reduce the mana too much for MoM, so not a good idea. Also your build has even less Life and far less regen, which of course wouldn't matter IF you could use 2 curses, but I'm sure it's limiting the mana too much. edit: oh you said CWDT curses lol, need to read better... i honestly don't think that's a good idea. edit2: and yes, I'm mostly worried about getting one shot. wanna complete the uber labyrinth.  You should think about which oneshots. Huge lifepool helps against volatile (that's why CI is generally considered safer than life) and nothing but praying really is going to save you from severe DD fuck up. Well the build I want should be able to tank a smash from fully buffed Izaro (my Gladiator took ~5-6k dmg with decent Armour IIRC) and hopefully Uber Izaro with 0 buffs. EA Sucks ass against izaro even with 2 icewalls placed on top of each other. You said you are playing with friend so you two should be able to work even uber izaro out but... Fuck man... EA is so bad against single target if you aren't manipulating boss to come in corner. Really that bad? Hmm, will tell my buddy to to pick a good ST char then. I thought with -75% res it could be decent enough for bosses and thought Frostwall is really good, but perhaps more so for LA. Yeah, you'll do sick dmg with just fire pene as long as your GMP explosions are hitting the target but a lot of bosses move around and run away. I've tried 4l singletarget setup and IDK why but t10+ and above it's simply below average. Maybe weapon swap into 5L wtfbbq burning arrow would be best hehe. Couldn't you just gem swap before Izaro and tough bosses? I also just checked a EA guide which also says biggest problem is single target damage, so I think it's probably wise to drop the AoE from Scion and pick some more dmg, at least if we end up lacking single target damage. ea st is more than fine. i never used frostwall just swapped out aoe for conc before the boss -> mirror arrow in front of the boss so he stands in place and 5 stacked him with ea + coh frenzy flammability.(i played mostly solo tho) if u expect vms or coc discharge st, thats the wrong build your build has way more aoe than i had + eo, so you're completely fine in red maps Nah, I never expected top tier single target damage. If I did, I would play Blade Vortex. Isn't EA one of the better skills for doing Hall of the Grandmasters? So the ST damage can't be crazy bad anyway. Like this guy did it solo: www.youtube.com
Btw, bigger AoE should also mean better single target no? Like, if I shoot at a Frost Wall or whatever Wall, chances are higher the EA explosions catch the monsters.
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so hyped. just gonna walk around cleaning the house for the next 5 hours
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On June 03 2016 23:16 travis wrote: so hyped. just gonna walk around cleaning the house for the next 5 hours I always aim to sleep before leagues and end up up way too early. :<
Still not 100% on what exactly I'll do so I'm a bit flexible depending on what group we get on launch.
I think only Kickstart and Tyrran told me for sure they'll be around so we're open to a few more. All that's needed is that you're familiar with going reasonably fast in a new league (nothing crazy fast but also no chilling in town every waypoint so know how you wanna level) and the ability to talk to us.
Speaking of talking, since the TL TS is down since a month now and using the TL Discord offers us no real moderation or setup options among other stuff there are two major things for people to use:
If you really love teamspeak (or really dislike discord =P) I ended up renting a server that will be up for the foreseeable future. This is also what we'll start our HC adventures on this round. If anyone here wants a private passworded corner for his group or similar stuff just hit me up.
+ Show Spoiler +Address: teamspeak-de01fn.typefrag.com:5885 Password: evopls
If for whatever reason you really love using discord (I won't be seen there for various discord related reasons but that's a whole different can of worms) Blitzkrieg/Cloud has set one up a while ago. If you have any concerns about the server or suggestions for improvement please send him a private message on the server (CloudMephisto) or bug him on TL (Blitzkrieg0).
+ Show Spoiler +https://discord.gg/0lCp0isWtJenqzkp
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I am leaving in a few hours and won't be around until Sunday to do anything with the discord server. If there is interest I can give someone admin before I leave, but would highly recommend using Evo's Teamspeak server.
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Wait so we're not using TL Teamspeak server anymore ?
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It doesn't exist anymore! Me and Evo are already on his TS server, join us (see his post above for info)!
Also, I think I have decided on Assassin SWT.
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On June 03 2016 23:15 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 22:59 kju wrote:On June 03 2016 04:37 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:33 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:27 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:24 HolydaKing wrote:On June 03 2016 04:21 Ryndika wrote:On June 03 2016 04:05 HolydaKing wrote:I'm playing in a duo all the time and my mate will maybe duo curse Blasphemy, so ... I intended to just use Clarity and AA. Not sure if that's too much mana left though. If he doesn't end up using Blasphemy or Curses at all, then I could probably fit in one. More would probably reduce the mana too much for MoM, so not a good idea. Also your build has even less Life and far less regen, which of course wouldn't matter IF you could use 2 curses, but I'm sure it's limiting the mana too much. edit: oh you said CWDT curses lol, need to read better... i honestly don't think that's a good idea. edit2: and yes, I'm mostly worried about getting one shot. wanna complete the uber labyrinth.  You should think about which oneshots. Huge lifepool helps against volatile (that's why CI is generally considered safer than life) and nothing but praying really is going to save you from severe DD fuck up. Well the build I want should be able to tank a smash from fully buffed Izaro (my Gladiator took ~5-6k dmg with decent Armour IIRC) and hopefully Uber Izaro with 0 buffs. EA Sucks ass against izaro even with 2 icewalls placed on top of each other. You said you are playing with friend so you two should be able to work even uber izaro out but... Fuck man... EA is so bad against single target if you aren't manipulating boss to come in corner. Really that bad? Hmm, will tell my buddy to to pick a good ST char then. I thought with -75% res it could be decent enough for bosses and thought Frostwall is really good, but perhaps more so for LA. Yeah, you'll do sick dmg with just fire pene as long as your GMP explosions are hitting the target but a lot of bosses move around and run away. I've tried 4l singletarget setup and IDK why but t10+ and above it's simply below average. Maybe weapon swap into 5L wtfbbq burning arrow would be best hehe. Couldn't you just gem swap before Izaro and tough bosses? I also just checked a EA guide which also says biggest problem is single target damage, so I think it's probably wise to drop the AoE from Scion and pick some more dmg, at least if we end up lacking single target damage. ea st is more than fine. i never used frostwall just swapped out aoe for conc before the boss -> mirror arrow in front of the boss so he stands in place and 5 stacked him with ea + coh frenzy flammability.(i played mostly solo tho) if u expect vms or coc discharge st, thats the wrong build your build has way more aoe than i had + eo, so you're completely fine in red maps Nah, I never expected top tier single target damage. If I did, I would play Blade Vortex.  Isn't EA one of the better skills for doing Hall of the Grandmasters? So the ST damage can't be crazy bad anyway. Like this guy did it solo: www.youtube.comBtw, bigger AoE should also mean better single target no? Like, if I shoot at a Frost Wall or whatever Wall, chances are higher the EA explosions catch the monsters. its great for hall of gm because u can prestack your fuses on these walls and then "activate" it, boom everything explodes and the exiles can barely react. i would've done it in phc but pussied out because they added a new lightning arrow exile who's the #1 pvper as far as i heard that abuses the pierce + frostwall stuff. it wasn't worth the risk for me.
aoe should help in that sense yea
alright, just updated my client and it actually starts in a few seconds (i had a 2-4min loading screen before)
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The LA char they added to hall of GM uses mirrored gear in I think 6 slots and like 59% lightning penetration in combination with the LA+Pierce "can 1-shot uber" level of cheese.
Needless to say, your options are offscreen cheese or legacy 100% lightning taken as fire greatwolf ammy (and probably 85+ fire res). Nothing else will mitigate that damage.
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Ahh, but afaik there's a chance he isn't there right? IIRC not all grandmasters are in every map. Though the gamble is too big for HC I suppose. 
One last question (probably) regarding EA: What about Accuracy? I've read a guide say Accuracy is important for Single Target, while another doesn't even mention it. On wiki it says if an Arrow misses it'll explode wherever it lands instead.
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HC group going or everyone going solo?
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On June 04 2016 03:57 Sn0_Man wrote: The LA char they added to hall of GM uses mirrored gear in I think 6 slots and like 59% lightning penetration in combination with the LA+Pierce "can 1-shot uber" level of cheese.
Needless to say, your options are offscreen cheese or legacy 100% lightning taken as fire greatwolf ammy (and probably 85+ fire res). Nothing else will mitigate that damage.
1. play softcore 2. cast on death
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