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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
didn't realize you were caring much about regen to be honest lol. Aren't you planning on not getting hit much?  ahh, you edited. yeah i guess not getting 1shot (or quick bursted at least) makes sense. especially on a build where you don't seem to be stacking mitigation. what is your mitigation, anyways. Are you going to be mostly ES? ES/armour? just curious | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:13 travis wrote: you don't think a low level enfeeble or temp chains is worth 13% life? solo at least? didn't realize you were caring much about regen to be honest lol. Aren't you planning on not getting hit much? ahh, you edited. yeah i guess not getting 1shot (or quick bursted at least) makes sense. especially on a build where you don't seem to be stacking mitigation. what is your mitigation, anyways. Are you going to be mostly ES? ES/armour? just curious Haha good question... I guess I could be using Rearguard + Rumi's for some block. I don't think I stack any other def, really. Mana would be my main form of mitigation, plus 4 endurance charges. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 03 2016 02:44 Superouman wrote: I can't make my mind between vortaxic deadeye and windripper inquisitor. This is torturing me for days now  Between those two I'd roll with Windripper. Mostly because I'm not sure how the Voltaxic nerf will play out, I'm assuming it will end up with strictly lower damage because you're going against stronger resists and can't scale the poison as high as before. It's probably still playable just fine but I wouldn't bet a first character on it. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:05 HolydaKing wrote: I'm playing in a duo all the time and my mate will maybe duo curse Blasphemy, so ... I intended to just use Clarity and AA. Not sure if that's too much mana left though. If he doesn't end up using Blasphemy or Curses at all, then I could probably fit in one. More would probably reduce the mana too much for MoM, so not a good idea. Also your build has even less Life and far less regen, which of course wouldn't matter IF you could use 2 curses, but I'm sure it's limiting the mana too much. edit: oh you said CWDT curses lol, need to read better... i honestly don't think that's a good idea. edit2: and yes, I'm mostly worried about getting one shot. wanna complete the uber labyrinth.  You should think about which oneshots. Huge lifepool helps against volatile (that's why CI is generally considered safer than life) and nothing but praying really is going to save you from severe DD fuck up. On my HC EA build pure life was more than enough mitigation for red maps with all those onslaught + random shit mods from flashback league. CWDT enfeeble should be enough and imo 2 curse for cwdt is a bit much but I wouldn't say no to someone who does it in their build. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:21 Ryndika wrote: You should think about which oneshots. Huge lifepool helps against volatile (that's why CI is generally considered safer than life) and nothing but praying really is going to save you from severe DD fuck up. Well the build I want should be able to tank a smash from fully buffed Izaro (my Gladiator took ~5-6k dmg with decent armour IIRC) and hopefully Uber Izaro with 0 buffs. As for the volatiles... well, since my build is for softcore, dying once very rarely is fine by me. I don't intend to die later on, but if something really stupid like a quad damage bear with volatiles happens, can't help it. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:24 HolydaKing wrote: Well the build I want should be able to tank a smash from fully buffed Izaro (my Gladiator took ~5-6k dmg with decent Armour IIRC) and hopefully Uber Izaro with 0 buffs. EA Sucks ass against izaro even with 2 icewalls placed on top of each other. You said you are playing with friend so you two should be able to work even uber izaro out but... Fuck man... EA is so bad against single target if you aren't manipulating boss to come in corner. At least best thing is that you are ranged so watching his animations and dodging should be enough but taking even 6k or over hit into face should be ok. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:27 Ryndika wrote: EA Sucks ass against izaro even with 2 icewalls placed on top of each other. You said you are playing with friend so you two should be able to work even uber izaro out but... Fuck man... EA is so bad against single target if you aren't manipulating boss to come in corner. Really that bad? Hmm, will tell my buddy to to pick a good ST char then. I thought with -75% res it could be decent enough for bosses and thought Frostwall is really good, but perhaps more so for LA. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:30 HolydaKing wrote: Really that bad? Hmm, will tell my buddy to to pick a good ST char then. I thought with -75% res it could be decent enough for bosses and thought Frostwall is really good, but perhaps more so for LA. Yeah, you'll do sick dmg with just fire pene as long as your GMP explosions are hitting the target but a lot of bosses move around and run away. I've tried 4l singletarget setup and IDK why but t10+ and above it's simply below average. Maybe weapon swap into 5L wtfbbq burning arrow would be best hehe. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:33 Ryndika wrote: Yeah, you'll do sick dmg with just fire pene as long as your GMP explosions are hitting the target but a lot of bosses move around and run away. I've tried 4l singletarget setup and IDK why but t10+ and above it's simply below average. Maybe weapon swap into 5L wtfbbq burning arrow would be best hehe. Couldn't you just gem swap before Izaro and tough bosses? I also just checked a EA guide which also says biggest problem is single target damage, so I think it's probably wise to drop the AoE from Scion and pick some more dmg, at least if we end up lacking single target damage. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:37 HolydaKing wrote: Couldn't you just gem swap before Izaro and tough bosses? I also just checked a EA guide which also says biggest problem is single target damage, so I think it's probably wise to drop the AoE from Scion and pick some more dmg, at least if we end up lacking single target damage. Yeah you could but I don't know any proper replacements for EA itself and the singletarget is sad so best bet is still probably going for icewalls and overlapping explosions. I also feel like EA doesn't need that much of AoE but pure dmg increase would always be nice - at least if you proliferate. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 04:42 Ryndika wrote: Yeah you could but I don't know any proper replacements for EA itself and the singletarget is sad so best bet is still probably going for icewalls and overlapping explosions. I also feel like EA doesn't need that much of AoE but pure dmg increase would always be nice - at least if you proliferate. Alright, thanks for all of your input! If no one else complains this will be the build I'll try as my first Explosive Arrow char ever. Although I'll have to decide between Beacon of Ruin and Mastermind of Discord in the end. | ||
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pahndah
1193 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I think the golem passive might be underrated since it's 60% increased fire damage all the time AND another free golem (say 18 attack speed). Regarding EA, i played the most braindead safe HC version possible, not sure what brilliant insight i have for you other than "single target reaaaaaally blows" although I admit i didn't fuck around with ice wall as much as maybe I should have. I found that bosses died a lot easier if I got ignite procs and were miserable when I didn't, so if I was really going to optimize the build further i'd have looked into more ignite ideas (you have elemental conflux though so less of a concern for you). Ur gonna need HELLA dex with that build. EA is like 160. I never felt like you needed nodes such as heart of flame, but if you have the points then sure. I ran blood rage because I found that attackspeed was something that made a huge difference. 5L ea is over 100 mana per attack i think (i had around 5 aps with charges) although with the reduced mana you have going on it could be more reasonable. 6L doesn't bear thinking about haha. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:12 pahndah wrote: I hear flameblast prolift is going to be the meta for starting beginners, anyone have experience with that? I plan to go bows since I haven't tried that yet unless someone has amazing input on flameblast. I've seen a few videos of flameblast clearing, but it didn't seem that much faster compared to other builds (and slightly clunky?), but the boss damage did seem quite decent. No experience except from the old days where Prolif gem had 31 radius (yup!) and 0 less damage. But it definitely is very strong, else it wouldn't get recommended from good players. If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. @Sn0: Like I said earlier I was intending to use Orb of Storms with crit chance + maybe PCoC, because I dunno if Elemental overload is always up without it. Mastermind of Discord also got a huuuge buff, 10 seconds now instead of 4 and 25% pene instead of 20%. The Ascendancy choice is basically a) -25% res (does this get reduced for bosses btw? don't think so), b) 60% increased damage + 18% attack speed, c) 12 AoE Prolif which ends up at like 16-19 AoE after all increases. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote: If you go bows, maybe try Assassin after the poison/bleed buff it got? Sounds very nice, you could use Snakebite for always poison and I would think the damage with Split Arrow would be ridiculous. Something akin to this sounds pretty good. I think that build only got buffed since then but I'm also a fanboy. :3 | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:19 HolydaKing wrote: @Sn0: Like I said earlier I was intending to use Orb of Storms with crit chance + maybe PCoC, because I dunno if Elemental overload is always up without it. Mastermind of Discord also got a huuuge buff, 10 seconds now instead of 4 and 25% pene instead of 20%. The Ascendancy choice is basically a) -25% res (does this get reduced for bosses btw? don't think so), b) 60% increased damage + 18% attack speed, c) 12 AoE Prolif which ends up at like 16-19 AoE after all increases. You'll get the full pen vs bosses yes which is good Orb of storms pcoc does sound reasonable apart from the bit where you have to cast it on mobs which should just be dead iunno. Maybe ball lightning would be better? Ur probably right though the buffs make it better. The prolif probably sucks actually, ur plan seems fine I just hate pendulum of destruction that node is so shit even post buff | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
If the clearing you saw was slow, the player was bad or the build was bad or wasn't ready yet. There are very few builds that can clear as quickly, and definitely not as quickly and as safely. It sounds like havoc is going flameblast this league. Zizaran is going flameblast and he was testing it on his stream and his clear speed was very high, and he said that 2.3 will be much faster than it was in his tests. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:30 Sn0_Man wrote: You'll get the full pen vs bosses yes which is good Orb of storms pcoc does sound reasonable apart from the bit where you have to cast it on mobs which should just be dead iunno. Maybe ball lightning would be better? Ur probably right though the buffs make it better. The prolif probably sucks actually, ur plan seems fine I just hate pendulum of destruction that node is so shit even post buff Thanks, your approval makes me feel at ease. I think the AoE of Orb of Storms is pretty huge, but I'll have to check then. Pendulum of Destruction isn't very strong yeah, 40% increased elemental dmg and 10% AoE on average. It's still far better than Unstable Infusion of Assassin at least. :p | ||
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PunitiveDamages
United States131 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:30 Sn0_Man wrote: You'll get the full pen vs bosses yes which is good Orb of storms pcoc does sound reasonable apart from the bit where you have to cast it on mobs which should just be dead iunno. Maybe ball lightning would be better? Ur probably right though the buffs make it better. The prolif probably sucks actually, ur plan seems fine I just hate pendulum of destruction that node is so shit even post buff The big benefit of OoS is that each attack it does is rolled separately, so with pcoc or elemental overload you can drop it and it'll eventually crit. Ball lightning rolls for crit (afaik, but I've only run it in traps) on cast, so you aren't getting the advantage of multiple crit chances per-cast like you are with OoS. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 03 2016 05:34 travis wrote: Flameblast prolif is very strong, the prolif may be a little smaller but the damage is still good enough even with less damage. The main reason people used to use it, and the reason it is a top pick again, is that the mechanics of the skill are very overpowered(well that and -50% damage from reflect). You can clear quickly and from far away. If the clearing you saw was slow, the player was bad or the build was bad or wasn't ready yet. There are very few builds that can clear as quickly, and definitely not as quickly and as safely. It sounds like havoc is going flameblast this league. Zizaran is going flameblast and he was testing it on his stream and his clear speed was very high, and he said that 2.3 will be much faster than it was in his tests. Can someone link a build? I haven't done much research this time around and want to compare to the couple things I will look at. | ||
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