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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3455 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 13:25:33
June 01 2016 13:24 GMT
#21521
> Look at patch note.
> Ctrl + F: Frost Wall
> 0/0
Make up my mind on what I'm gonna play instantly.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 01 2016 15:09 GMT
#21522
On June 01 2016 22:24 vndestiny wrote:
> Look at patch note.
> Ctrl + F: Frost Wall
> 0/0
Make up my mind on what I'm gonna play instantly.

LA Pierce or EA? Can't blame you... I might just roll something that can clear uber lab for sure on my first build too...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 01 2016 15:14 GMT
#21523
I'm sure KB pierce is on that list too
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
June 01 2016 16:40 GMT
#21524
I don't know what they should do with Frost Wall.

It's broken on everything it works for but if you just remove the functionality completely KB goes directly to the dumpster and then we're back to 0 wand skills again. But then at least the bow skills would be balanced well, less ridiculous.
~
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 17:18:32
June 01 2016 16:45 GMT
#21525
There's no way kb goes "directly to the dumpster" if you remove the pierce interaction with frost wall.
it's single target does suffer badly but it's still a good skill unlike psiphon which is simply a bad skill

The awkward part is that wanders don't have a secondary 5/6l to put say barrage in for single target

well and the fact that single target damage is becoming one of the key clearspeed limiters which is an issue in the oft-discussed "clearspeed meta", if you really care about that. As somebody who has absolutely no desire to hit 100, I don't care.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 01 2016 17:12 GMT
#21526
But powersiphon is pretty. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
June 01 2016 18:20 GMT
#21527
On June 01 2016 21:33 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 21:03 LagLovah wrote:
Fair warning, scaling physical is very difficult/expensive with iron commander, 600 dex won't cut it. It's why ele ended up being the go to for most users.
I initially tried physical last league, it was painful. I have seen it work I think once, but the guy had some interesting gear.

Yup, I know. I thought getting 800 shouldn't be too difficult and according to a forum build that feels better than going Ele (except Tooltip), but perhaps I'm wrong and it's hard. If it's too difficult to get 400 Dex from Gear/Jewels I might reconsider...

If you use crap uniques it's fairly easy probably. Lioneye's Paws add 60 Dex, Briskwrap (lol) 15% dex or Foxshade with MS, flat phys and 30dex... Rare amu gives 60+ easily etc. Then there's the Suncrest helmet (isn't that cheap? dunno). But yeah it looks like quite the commitment to get it without good rares.


I have 613 dex I think on mine, using starkonja helm atziri step astramentis drillneck and iron commander, doesn't leave much room for resists.
I looked for a month for a high dex ammy that didn't suck to replace astramenti's, never did find one... my scion is overcapped as well, not a requirement obviously.
A lot of the high dex nodes aren't efficient to path over.
If you do go for it, I'm interested to see how a pure physical version stands up though.
rSLagLovah on NA xSixLagLovah on Kr
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 19:19:10
June 01 2016 19:18 GMT
#21528
On June 02 2016 03:20 LagLovah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2016 21:33 HolydaKing wrote:
On June 01 2016 21:03 LagLovah wrote:
Fair warning, scaling physical is very difficult/expensive with iron commander, 600 dex won't cut it. It's why ele ended up being the go to for most users.
I initially tried physical last league, it was painful. I have seen it work I think once, but the guy had some interesting gear.

Yup, I know. I thought getting 800 shouldn't be too difficult and according to a forum build that feels better than going Ele (except Tooltip), but perhaps I'm wrong and it's hard. If it's too difficult to get 400 Dex from Gear/Jewels I might reconsider...

If you use crap uniques it's fairly easy probably. Lioneye's Paws add 60 Dex, Briskwrap (lol) 15% dex or Foxshade with MS, flat phys and 30dex... Rare amu gives 60+ easily etc. Then there's the Suncrest helmet (isn't that cheap? dunno). But yeah it looks like quite the commitment to get it without good rares.


I have 613 dex I think on mine, using starkonja helm atziri step astramentis drillneck and iron commander, doesn't leave much room for resists.
I looked for a month for a high dex ammy that didn't suck to replace astramenti's, never did find one... my scion is overcapped as well, not a requirement obviously.
A lot of the high dex nodes aren't efficient to path over.
If you do go for it, I'm interested to see how a pure physical version stands up though.

I was looking at this guide when I created my tree, but I honestly didn't check the vids of him lol. They really don't look very impressive, even though him doing Poorjoy's at lvl 78 doesn't say too much anyway. Makes me reconsider, because I had a +1 Totem Siege Ballista Ranger /w Chin Sol and no crit before Ascendancys were even out which as far as I remember did more damage (except when all of his 5 totems are out, maybe) while having more totem nodes (tankier totems) and I think also more def.

Atziri's Step has 0 dex btw, but I guess you chose it because it's nice defensively. Starkonja probably is worse than a 13-15% Black Sun Crest too.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 21:04:31
June 01 2016 20:58 GMT
#21529
Irrelevant but amusing:
I 5L'd my koams heart on HC with a vaal xd
2 decent resists and >1K armour too but very low life haha.

wooo end of league vaaling xd
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 01 2016 21:14 GMT
#21530
I didn't Vaal yet, but I wasted some Chaos Orbs yesterday which I didn't wanna use before and got a 913 or so ES roll on my 6L Vaal Regalia. Highest I ever had I'm fairly sure.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 01 2016 21:18 GMT
#21531
o.o 900+ es is... a lot of T1 mods lol

Unfortunately i'm traditionally an SC player but played hc on perandus so I didn't have a lot of things to merge in general
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 21:25:44
June 01 2016 21:20 GMT
#21532
On June 02 2016 06:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
o.o 900+ es is... a lot of T1 mods lol

Unfortunately i'm traditionally an SC player but played hc on perandus so I didn't have a lot of things to merge in general

Gotta be, and can be, since it was ilvl 100 from the div card set. Which I learned from Perandus is very farmable. Gotta do it again next league, only took me like 20 100iiq maps. Perhaps I was lucky though
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 22:38:12
June 01 2016 22:23 GMT
#21533
Tried out CI discharge with 5L voll and rest random SSF gear and weapon was 1 alch wpn. Managed still to pull 300m/xphr at 80+ which seemed decent at least but it was super fun!
I might want to make it as my first char but not sure if BF is best to lvl with. I probably have to wait until 70 to go CI and 75 to be confident with gear for CI Discharge because at times those whirlwinds into packs are so yolo.
On my testing SC char I've died 2-3 times by whirling in to white pack and I just didn't proc discharge even with 33% base crit (which ups with power charges and dia flask.) The build as non-voll's devotion-char has so many close calls by simply whirling into room and then starting whirling with flasks up.
as useful as teasalt
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
June 02 2016 01:24 GMT
#21534
Environmental traps in the labyrinth now calculate a player's life differently for determining damage. This was previously the total of a player's maximum life and Energy Shield. Now Energy Shield counts as 60% of its value for this purpose. Only Energy Shield covering life is counted. This was determined to be the best ratio applicable to the wide variety of Energy Shield based builds that exist.

So in effect, Energy Shield will drain 40% slower when being hit by traps, is that right?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 02 2016 01:48 GMT
#21535
On June 02 2016 10:24 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
Environmental traps in the labyrinth now calculate a player's life differently for determining damage. This was previously the total of a player's maximum life and Energy Shield. Now Energy Shield counts as 60% of its value for this purpose. Only Energy Shield covering life is counted. This was determined to be the best ratio applicable to the wide variety of Energy Shield based builds that exist.

So in effect, Energy Shield will drain 40% slower when being hit by traps, is that right?

if you are ci yes
if you are, for example, low life then you won't see quite that much benefit since you'll still be taking full damage from your HP which the ES will be catching
If you are EB then you'll see even more benefit
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
June 02 2016 09:32 GMT
#21536
On June 02 2016 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's no way kb goes "directly to the dumpster" if you remove the pierce interaction with frost wall.
it's single target does suffer badly but it's still a good skill unlike psiphon which is simply a bad skill

The awkward part is that wanders don't have a secondary 5/6l to put say barrage in for single target

well and the fact that single target damage is becoming one of the key clearspeed limiters which is an issue in the oft-discussed "clearspeed meta", if you really care about that. As somebody who has absolutely no desire to hit 100, I don't care.

Its single target doesn't 'suffer', though. The single target of KB is absolutely abysmal and as you say, you only get a 4 link for Barrage which is also going to be awful.

The only reason anybody would continue to play KB without Frost Wall is if they're really attached to it for some reason. Yeah you can still make a KB character but it's in the same way you can still make an Ice Nova character if you want to.
~
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-02 13:52:26
June 02 2016 13:51 GMT
#21537
Howdy all!

Thanks to the awesome rainy weather this weakend and next week i have time to waste.

Can someone point me to an good 1st char start build for the HC league? Something like traps or totems or so.

e: Nice, i am still in the guild :D
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-02 14:28:50
June 02 2016 14:25 GMT
#21538
A really solid and fast char would be this Flameblast build of a good player of the last season. I saw it on Reddit so perhaps you are interested.

Flametotem, Incinerate Totem, Righteous Fire Totem also work very well of course, but meh I don't like Totems... If you want anyway, Flametotem if crit Inquisitor, else all Chieftain I think (recommended for HC I guess).

Lightning Arrow and Explosive Arrow are two other popular skills probably. The later one can stack a lot of Life, while LA has top clear speed potential.

Another cool build to think about would be Foxtactic's Hellfire Arc, but I don't know if it's expensive. He says it works fine on HC and is reflect safe. See here for more.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 02 2016 14:41 GMT
#21539
On June 02 2016 18:32 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's no way kb goes "directly to the dumpster" if you remove the pierce interaction with frost wall.
it's single target does suffer badly but it's still a good skill unlike psiphon which is simply a bad skill

The awkward part is that wanders don't have a secondary 5/6l to put say barrage in for single target

well and the fact that single target damage is becoming one of the key clearspeed limiters which is an issue in the oft-discussed "clearspeed meta", if you really care about that. As somebody who has absolutely no desire to hit 100, I don't care.

Its single target doesn't 'suffer', though. The single target of KB is absolutely abysmal and as you say, you only get a 4 link for Barrage which is also going to be awful.

The only reason anybody would continue to play KB without Frost Wall is if they're really attached to it for some reason. Yeah you can still make a KB character but it's in the same way you can still make an Ice Nova character if you want to.


You could go inquisitor for the free 5L's FWIW
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 02 2016 14:54 GMT
#21540
question for you guys

indomitable: 20% reduced extra damage taken from critical strikes

will it mitigate damage REFLECTED from my own critical strikes?

I am guessing no... but I figured I'd see.
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