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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Sure, you also had to achieve a lot of things to make it useable (required chain/pierce/fork, required a baseline amount of duration and proj speed, etc) but it kinda was too good. Vaal molten shell getting gutted is also nice (1/2 duration 1/2 damage at level 20) but i'm sure the skill is still build-around-able. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5252 Posts
On May 31 2016 04:47 Miragee wrote: Really? Finally when Spark was good. It's a unique spell as well. -.-' Flashback to Lowlife RF MF Spark Totems... man that was some boring stuff | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
firstly, the armor ones are hoooorrible in all cases. the flat mana ones are pretty bad. and then the % elemental ones are ABSOLUTELY INSANE. Wtf?? | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
4 days left to endure over nerfing. | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
On May 28 2016 17:37 HolydaKing wrote: Do you guys think Undeniably is going to be as awesome as this reddit thread OP thinks? https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/4lcg4s/undeniable_is_undeniably_better_than_you_think/ If it isn't capped or as bad as the Hierophant node and as good as it says and he thinks, wow. Would make for example Crit Sword Elemental Spectral Throw pretty great I think. Also liking the idea of one guy in that thread of getting 600+dex and using Iron Commander for 4 Siege Ballistas while stacking Accuracy and Bow Crit, then probably using Herald of Thunder and Wrath, as well as Added Cold, Added Lightning, WED, Accuracy and Crit Chance as support gems (dunno about order of importance). I played 4x ballista in Perandus, it is as good build. I used herald of ice/wrath, freeze with crit. Ballistas also do not miss, so accuracy is a wasted stat. Ballista/FA/Piece(for the more mulitiped and mana cost, cheaper than slower proj same more multi)/ added lightning / crit dmg Around 21k tooltip per ballista with lvl 19 gems | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
i played siege ballista 2 seasons ago (before the bow for it came out) which was kinda dumb. it wasnt weak but it was slow AF | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
I used scion, deadeye/assassin as well, for the +1 arrow, and I have a +1 arrow drillneck, 5 arrow ballista's fire pretty quick and can 1 shot trash into high maps. Build worked quite well. I also tried it pre-bow release, and it was yes, slow clearing, but hard hitting. | ||
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Faeny
647 Posts
@lagLovah - I didn't know about the never miss aspect though - what makes this happen? | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On May 31 2016 09:01 LagLovah wrote: I played 4x ballista in Perandus, it is as good build. I used herald of ice/wrath, freeze with crit. Ballistas also do not miss, so accuracy is a wasted stat. Ballista/FA/Piece(for the more mulitiped and mana cost, cheaper than slower proj same more multi)/ added lightning / crit dmg Around 21k tooltip per ballista with lvl 19 gems Wha... so much wrong in this. Ballistas can miss, they are the same as bow attacks: "Siege Ballista attacks can be evaded". Only not if you use RT or Lioneye's Glare. Accuracy isn't a wasted stat but a sick damage multiplier if you get 300%+ increased of it and Juggernaut with Undeniable and the +1000 accuracy unique plus 1000 accuracy from the support gem. You will end up at up to 200% increased attack speed from Accuracy alone which is great with elemental damage. I could test it myself later, but I doubt so many builds are wrong and you are right. edit: New challenges are awesome. I won't play as much as in the past in the new league, but it doesn't seem like you need to. Most things are very achieveable, getting the weapon effect should be a piece of cake and 36 is easier than ever, only really hard looking one is the "Do 2 of these grinds" with 1200 Volls etc. Probably easiest to do 40 Labs and the Volls tbh... The rich folks can just do 10 twinned Collosseum maps though. | ||
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
In the 180 levels I've played ballista i've never seen one 'miss' without being dodged or blocked, and I stack 0 accuracy on items or nodes, and I don't get RT. But believe what you want. Siege ballista is one of the most misunderstood skills around. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On May 31 2016 22:10 LagLovah wrote: Eh, don't believe me if you don't want to. ProjectIles can be dodged sure, but the swing and miss aspect doesn't happen with them. I havent looked at the undeniable node, juggernaut is marauder though right? Be a challenge to get the dex you need from there, but maybe workable. In the 180 levels I've played ballista i've never seen one 'miss' without being dodged or blocked, and I stack 0 accuracy on items or nodes, and I don't get RT. But believe what you want. Siege ballista is one of the most misunderstood skills around. I'll certainly test it, if what you say is correct you could even play a Inquisitor with no Accuracy, but getting enough Crit and Dex is even harder then. Should be easy to test on my Voltaxic Spark Ascendant with 0 Accuracy. edit: I tested it in a t8 map with Enfeeble and you are right. Doesn't seem to matter how much Accuracy you have, at first I thought I saw some misses but I think it was just the arrows that didn't connect with the targets. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
it seems.. insanely strong only downside is cyclone sucks getting stuck on stuff lol | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 01 2016 08:23 travis wrote: testing my build on standard it seems.. insanely strong only downside is cyclone sucks getting stuck on stuff lol What build? CoC Cyclone Juggernaut? I think I won't do that Siege Ballista Elemental Siege Ballista build with Iron Commander as Juggernaut because I honestly doubt Undeniable is gonna be as good as I think (and it always hitting makes it a bit worse too), and I don't wanna end up with a build that could've picked a much better Ascendancy and a better passive tree. But I wanna play with Iron Commander I think, but probably physical with lots of dex stacking and Deadeye as class. A possible tree would be something like this: + Show Spoiler + It's not very defensive though, I could drop some jewels and get Acrobatics + Phase Acrobatics for example, but I love Jewels in the end (they're low priority at first) and they should help me with stacking more Dex (some Brawns, one for Rain of Splinters at least). Also it's a "totem" build so I won't need to face tank everything. Not sure if moving towards Scion for the Crit/Life/Socket and Harrier (I love it for the MS) is worth it, I could pick up Deadly Draw + Heavy Draw (which I usually have in every bow build) and more Life nodes instead and probably should. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
cwdt enfeeble, vulnerability as aura. damage is like 35k at level 70, killed haas and the lightning one in a level 72 map at lvl 69 lol. my crit is low though so it should just shoot through the roof with more levels I will have to get a hege's era though, hopefully they aren't too expensive this league | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 01 2016 08:43 HolydaKing wrote: What build? CoC Cyclone Juggernaut? I think I won't do that Siege Ballista Elemental Siege Ballista build with Iron Commander as Juggernaut because I honestly doubt Undeniable is gonna be as good as I think (and it always hitting makes it a bit worse too), and I don't wanna end up with a build that could've picked a much better Ascendancy and a better passive tree. But I wanna play with Iron Commander I think, but probably physical with lots of dex stacking and Deadeye as class. A possible tree would be something like this: + Show Spoiler + It's not very defensive though, I could drop some jewels and get Acrobatics + Phase Acrobatics for example, but I love Jewels in the end (they're low priority at first) and they should help me with stacking more Dex (some Brawns, one for Rain of Splinters at least). Also it's a "totem" build so I won't need to face tank everything. Not sure if moving towards Scion for the Crit/Life/Socket and Harrier (I love it for the MS) is worth it, I could pick up Deadly Draw + Heavy Draw (which I usually have in every bow build) and more Life nodes instead and probably should. y u no lioneye's fall | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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LagLovah
Canada552 Posts
I initially tried physical last league, it was painful. I have seen it work I think once, but the guy had some interesting gear. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 01 2016 21:03 LagLovah wrote: Fair warning, scaling physical is very difficult/expensive with iron commander, 600 dex won't cut it. It's why ele ended up being the go to for most users. I initially tried physical last league, it was painful. I have seen it work I think once, but the guy had some interesting gear. Yup, I know. I thought getting 800 shouldn't be too difficult and according to a forum build that feels better than going Ele (except Tooltip), but perhaps I'm wrong and it's hard. If it's too difficult to get 400 Dex from Gear/Jewels I might reconsider... If you use crap uniques it's fairly easy probably. Lioneye's Paws add 60 Dex, Briskwrap (lol) 15% dex or Foxshade with MS, flat phys and 30dex... Rare amu gives 60+ easily etc. Then there's the Suncrest helmet (isn't that cheap? dunno). But yeah it looks like quite the commitment to get it without good rares. | ||
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