angryllama / ilj.peru: we all know you love you are barcelona fan boys. calm down.
next time the 2 play. I'm going to do a live commentary (if I remember) and I'll point out everytime a barcelona player dives or fakes injury. Actually I'll even do better I'll show you how classless they are when they run after the referee urging him to give a card. You know asking for a card is called unsportsmanlike conduct and is a yellow right?
Then I'll do the same with RM, I'll tell you when they go overboard with their fouling. I'll tell you when mourihno is a disgrace (almost always) and I'll tell you how RM are as classless as barcelona players.
Oh and so we're clear, the classicos are the most boring shit to watch in terms of footballing experience because of what i wrote. It's fucking annoying when every 2 seconds you have a guy rolling on the floor. Or when a player hits(fouls) another player in a very stupid (lacking words to describe it right now) way (aka like marcelo did at the end).
Everytime I watch it I tell myself i'm an idiot but I still watch it . I must be insane ... doing the same thing but expecting something different.
On August 18 2011 08:14 Freaky[x] wrote: this game was a joke from both sides. Barca diving left and right and the ref constantly giving RM players yellows (some deserves... others not at all for both the yellows and free kicks). RM getting more and more mad at the diving and start kicking and kicking... it's like a woman in her 50's having her menopause... hot cold hot cold.. dive kick kick dive... shit never ends
It was obvious it was getting out of hand specially when the ref was slightly biased (home ground effect) and was shitting yellows exclusively for madrid. Oh well I hope both teams get heavily fined and their FA suspends half their teams (LOL... we know that will never happen)
i don't know wich game you watched, my friend. real madrid played dirty like always, not a single yellow card was undeserved (show me wich one is... you won't be able to). marcelo and pepe are a disgrace for this sport... how dare they (and you) complain about barcelona's players?
mourinho's finger in tito vilanova's eye says everything you need to know about these people. violent, sore losers, nothing more.
If you don't like it then why watch and why comment? just gtfo?
Anybody else see Mourniho's press conference where he denies poking Tito's eye, saying he doesn't even know who Tito Vilanova is. He is such a character.
I find myself agreeing with a lot of that :O I always watch classicos too but end up leaving shaking my head and deciding to go watch some English football :x I am sure we have some less-biased or just apathetic people around here who aren't afraid to call both barca and RM out when they screw up badly.
@Mascherano: hey, there's the off chance that it will be a good game, and he's also just making a point in saying that both sides are not immune to some dirty actions and that he will go and single out each time it happens etc...
Also, I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho...he is not representative of the entire franchise, whatever you might think.
On August 18 2011 08:49 Pengtoss wrote: Props to you, Freaky!
I find myself agreeing with a lot of that :O I always watch classicos too but end up leaving shaking my head and deciding to go watch some English football :x I am sure we have some less-biased or just apathetic people around here who aren't afraid to call both barca and RM out when they screw up badly.
@Mascherano: hey, there's the off chance that it will be a good game, and he's also just making a point in saying that both sides are not immune to some dirty actions and that he will go and single out each time it happens etc...
Also, I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho...he is not representative of the entire franchise, whatever you might think.
pressuring the referee, exaggerating when getting fouled, playing it slowly to let time pass by... yeah, barcelona does that from time to time (dani alves mostly). but so does real madrid (ronaldo must be the most theatrical players out there). and so do english clubs... want an example? barça vs. arsenal last year. or how about drogba & co going crazy in champions league against barça a few years ago?
i'm getting tired of english football fans sitting on high horses, when the main reason for the high level of the premier league are foreign players, coaches and billionaires.
also... i'm sorry, but systematically trying to hurt opponent players physically is not the same thing as exaggerating pain to try to get those people punished. with mourinhos ridiculous whining in press conferences (you don't see those, i guess), referees already have a hard time really punishing madrid's fouls and unfair play...
On August 18 2011 08:49 Pengtoss wrote: Props to you, Freaky!
I find myself agreeing with a lot of that :O I always watch classicos too but end up leaving shaking my head and deciding to go watch some English football :x I am sure we have some less-biased or just apathetic people around here who aren't afraid to call both barca and RM out when they screw up badly.
@Mascherano: hey, there's the off chance that it will be a good game, and he's also just making a point in saying that both sides are not immune to some dirty actions and that he will go and single out each time it happens etc...
Also, I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho...he is not representative of the entire franchise, whatever you might think.
pressuring the referee, exaggerating when getting fouled, playing it slowly to let time pass by... yeah, barcelona does that from time to time (dani alves mostly). but so does real madrid (ronaldo must be the most theatrical players out there). and so do english clubs... want an example? barça vs. arsenal last year. or how about drogba & co going crazy in champions league against barça a few years ago?
i'm getting tired of english football fans sitting on high horses, when the main reason for the high level of the premier league are foreign players, coaches and billionaires.
also... i'm sorry, but systematically trying to hurt opponent players physically is not the same thing as exaggerating pain to try to get those people punished. with mourinhos ridiculous whining in press conferences (you don't see those, i guess), referees already have a hard time really punishing madrid's fouls and unfair play...
Oh I'm sure Motta was really out to systematically hurt Busquets, really! Seriously the sooner you guys realize that both sides are wrong the better it is for football in general.
actually fouling people is normal... it's called a tactic... it slows the game down, there is nothing illegal about it even though it's a pain in the ass to deal with. Also... nobody talked about how ozil got punched by villa but who cares!
Also, the EPL obviously is better because it actually cares about other clubs besides it's top 2 clubs and pay players well that's why foreigners come and play there. Oh and I never said that the Premier league was good because of local coaches/local players. Billionaires is just a recent trend with man city and chelsea and liverpool.
Also you have nothing to say about the barca vs arsenal games last year. and the drogba thing and co going crazy was because the ref gave barcelona the win with dubious reffing (even if he gave them a red card). Let's not start this argument because we're not going to agree. Anyawys good luck in the league and take care of fabregas. He's a good player
On August 18 2011 08:49 Pengtoss wrote: Props to you, Freaky!
I find myself agreeing with a lot of that :O I always watch classicos too but end up leaving shaking my head and deciding to go watch some English football :x I am sure we have some less-biased or just apathetic people around here who aren't afraid to call both barca and RM out when they screw up badly.
@Mascherano: hey, there's the off chance that it will be a good game, and he's also just making a point in saying that both sides are not immune to some dirty actions and that he will go and single out each time it happens etc...
Also, I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho...he is not representative of the entire franchise, whatever you might think.
pressuring the referee, exaggerating when getting fouled, playing it slowly to let time pass by... yeah, barcelona does that from time to time (dani alves mostly). but so does real madrid (ronaldo must be the most theatrical players out there). and so do english clubs... want an example? barça vs. arsenal last year. or how about drogba & co going crazy in champions league against barça a few years ago?
i'm getting tired of english football fans sitting on high horses, when the main reason for the high level of the premier league are foreign players, coaches and billionaires.
also... i'm sorry, but systematically trying to hurt opponent players physically is not the same thing as exaggerating pain to try to get those people punished. with mourinhos ridiculous whining in press conferences (you don't see those, i guess), referees already have a hard time really punishing madrid's fouls and unfair play...
How did you get the impression that I was condoning what RM is doing? What do you gain through a "straw man" here...? I did say that I prefer English games to Spanish games because I am disappointed by the latter oftentimes; never did I mention that the premier league is massively superior to the Spanish league...sitting on a high horse? Come on, man. And it is fact that the English teams are, on average, better mannered...of course they are not perfect, either, and there may be several counterexamples, but they are better-mannered overall.
Where did I deny the basis of the premier league's success?
There is also a difference between diving and fouls yourself, but consider not only correlation but causation in these situations. Before you rage again, I am not saying that barca is always inciting RM, but that is something worth considering. Both sides (RM+barca) have erred in this respect (fouling/diving/gamesmanship). Reread the segment in which I stated "I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho". What do I not see? I expected a higher level of posting from TL members here, and I regret ever posting in this thread, ugh.
On August 18 2011 08:46 Freaky[x] wrote: angryllama / ilj.peru: we all know you love you are barcelona fan boys. calm down.
next time the 2 play. I'm going to do a live commentary (if I remember) and I'll point out everytime a barcelona player dives or fakes injury. Actually I'll even do better I'll show you how classless they are when they run after the referee urging him to give a card. You know asking for a card is called unsportsmanlike conduct and is a yellow right?
Then I'll do the same with RM, I'll tell you when they go overboard with their fouling. I'll tell you when mourihno is a disgrace (almost always) and I'll tell you how RM are as classless as barcelona players.
Oh and so we're clear, the classicos are the most boring shit to watch in terms of footballing experience because of what i wrote. It's fucking annoying when every 2 seconds you have a guy rolling on the floor. Or when a player hits(fouls) another player in a very stupid (lacking words to describe it right now) way (aka like marcelo did at the end).
Everytime I watch it I tell myself i'm an idiot but I still watch it . I must be insane ... doing the same thing but expecting something different.
Madrid complained to the referee every single decision, in both legs. Its almost laughable how you can ignore the very thing you are accusing Barcelona of.
The only time in the game I saw Barca players gang up the referee for a card in the game was when Marcelo kicked Fabregas intentionally out of anger at the end, rightfully so players tend to complain that type of behavior you know? Madrid doesn't play football under Mourinho, its a NFL team that when things don't go their way they resort to kicking following with a complain of a dive.
Im not even gonna argue etc, i just hope RM fans realize how Mourinho is a bad influence for Real Madrid, on and off the pitch, and its reflected on their playing style.
You can't not srly compare RM manners with Barça's, RM is constanly fauling, argueing/pressuring the referee, plus Mourinho heating the matches beyond reason and provokin, not to mention his aggression to Vilanova. On the other sie Barça is trying to play football.
On August 18 2011 08:49 Pengtoss wrote: Props to you, Freaky!
I find myself agreeing with a lot of that :O I always watch classicos too but end up leaving shaking my head and deciding to go watch some English football :x I am sure we have some less-biased or just apathetic people around here who aren't afraid to call both barca and RM out when they screw up badly.
@Mascherano: hey, there's the off chance that it will be a good game, and he's also just making a point in saying that both sides are not immune to some dirty actions and that he will go and single out each time it happens etc...
Also, I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho...he is not representative of the entire franchise, whatever you might think.
pressuring the referee, exaggerating when getting fouled, playing it slowly to let time pass by... yeah, barcelona does that from time to time (dani alves mostly). but so does real madrid (ronaldo must be the most theatrical players out there). and so do english clubs... want an example? barça vs. arsenal last year. or how about drogba & co going crazy in champions league against barça a few years ago?
i'm getting tired of english football fans sitting on high horses, when the main reason for the high level of the premier league are foreign players, coaches and billionaires.
also... i'm sorry, but systematically trying to hurt opponent players physically is not the same thing as exaggerating pain to try to get those people punished. with mourinhos ridiculous whining in press conferences (you don't see those, i guess), referees already have a hard time really punishing madrid's fouls and unfair play...
How did you get the impression that I was condoning what RM is doing? What do you gain through a "straw man" here...? I did say that I prefer English games to Spanish games because I am disappointed by the latter oftentimes; never did I mention that the premier league is massively superior to the Spanish league...sitting on a high horse? Come on, man. And it is fact that the English teams are, on average, better mannered...of course they are not perfect, either, and there may be several counterexamples, but they are better-mannered overall.
Where did I deny the basis of the premier league's success?
There is also a difference between diving and fouls yourself, but consider not only correlation but causation in these situations. Before you rage again, I am not saying that barca is always inciting RM, but that is something worth considering. Both sides (RM+barca) have erred in this respect (fouling/diving/gamesmanship). Reread the segment in which I stated "I am a RM fan and am quite disgusted by Mourinho". What do I not see? I expected a higher level of posting from TL members here, and I regret ever posting in this thread, ugh.
first of all... sorry for raging. i can't help myself after a game (and a mourinho press conference) like today.
but what i can't accept is that some people try to put physical violence and diving/exaggerating on one level.
as a barça fan and socio, i watch every game of barcelona and i always complain about dani alves and sometimes busquets diving too much and in general being too theatrical when getting fouled... it really pisses me of when they do that, it's not a nice thing to see. but it's not like barcelona are the world champions of this behaviour (even though some sore losers out there try to make it look that way).
and of course, to me behaviour like what pepe, marcelo and mourinho showed us today is just not compareable to dani alves doing his show after getting fouled (hell, most referees don't even take the guy seriously anymore, even when he's really hurt).
again, sorry if i interpret too much into your words... i see mourinho crybabies everywhere and that's obviously not reality.
Ah, okay. I think I was raging at your rage too, thinking you were a blind Barca fanboy who just wanted to rip on me. You are very right, Mourinho should be dealt with in some manner as soon as possible... I also wasn't putting injury and faking on the same level, just to make things clear. The RM players who play like thugs are also behaving in an unacceptable manner; my point was merely that sometimes the theatrics beget this sort of behavior, but both are terrible, and the physical violence is definitely worse in that actual injury is absolutely horrible.
On August 18 2011 09:44 Pengtoss wrote: Ah, okay. I think I was raging at your rage too, thinking you were a blind Barca fanboy who just wanted to rip on me. You are very right, Mourinho should be dealt with in some manner as soon as possible... I also wasn't putting injury and faking on the same level, just to make things clear. The RM players who play like thugs are also behaving in an unacceptable manner; my point was merely that sometimes the theatrics beget this sort of behavior, but both are terrible, and the physical violence is definitely worse in that actual injury is absolutely horrible.
It's all good, and my faith has been restored ^^
oh, i am a blind barça fanboy... i do try to calm down from time to time, though
On August 18 2011 09:44 Pengtoss wrote: Ah, okay. I think I was raging at your rage too, thinking you were a blind Barca fanboy who just wanted to rip on me. You are very right, Mourinho should be dealt with in some manner as soon as possible... I also wasn't putting injury and faking on the same level, just to make things clear. The RM players who play like thugs are also behaving in an unacceptable manner; my point was merely that sometimes the theatrics beget this sort of behavior, but both are terrible, and the physical violence is definitely worse in that actual injury is absolutely horrible.
It's all good, and my faith has been restored ^^
lets try to understand something here.. barcelona when they do exagerate or become theatrical is because anyone will get sick of being kickied in the heals and the shins and such over the course of 90 mins and all the time every other chance Real get.. so what do you do ? keep taking the kicks ? No your going to try and make a big deal out of it so they stop doing it.. Which they dont but atleast they get some punishment..
its become circular and it really isnt important who started it because its on now.. (although im sure people would like to argue that aswell)
and when all that has failed you have marcelo scissor kicking fabregas.. if fouling is a reliable tactic (and thats fine with me) then why shouldnt making a meal of the fouls be one aswell ? Its like the Joey Barton incident. sure he was an asshole but if Gervinho goes and slaps him even if its harmless its a red card period.. thats the culture as far as the interpretation of the rule is concerned..
I dont get why everyone is still compelled to criticize how the two teams are playing.. its not going to change anything and frankly whatever someone thinks works theyll do it.. i promise you the day they get stop getting kicked around they will stop play acting.. and you know why ? Because theyll be alot more unstoppable than they already are...
I still think really played with alot more venom upfront though.. it was a good game minus the obvious unpleasantries..
freaky has it right, the TL football threads are generally full of pro-barca fans (who, as drone mentioned in a previous thread, tend to get a little too self-righteous). RM are no saints (and it really is limited to just marcelo/pepe), but you can't seriously say that barca are much better. and, interestingly enough, the only time you really see this kind of behavior from either team (constant diving, bitching to the referee, etc) is when they play each other. they both play great ball in their own rights, but it seems like they bring out the worst in each other.
also, mourinho falls into the "dani alves" category where he is excellent at the game of football, but his character is awful (altho i will say his antics are much more entertaining to watch than alves).
and if the report about david villa punching ozil is true, then that is disgraceful as well especially since ozil is known to be a great sportsman.
@rebs: I don't want to argue with you. I don't even see your beef with me, really. I do pretty much understand what you are saying, though: It has indeed become circular.
On the bright side, at least we don't have riots >.<
On August 18 2011 09:44 Pengtoss wrote: Ah, okay. I think I was raging at your rage too, thinking you were a blind Barca fanboy who just wanted to rip on me. You are very right, Mourinho should be dealt with in some manner as soon as possible... I also wasn't putting injury and faking on the same level, just to make things clear. The RM players who play like thugs are also behaving in an unacceptable manner; my point was merely that sometimes the theatrics beget this sort of behavior, but both are terrible, and the physical violence is definitely worse in that actual injury is absolutely horrible.
It's all good, and my faith has been restored ^^
lets try to understand something here.. barcelona when they do exagerate or become theatrical is because anyone will get sick of being kickied in the heals and the shins and such over the course of 90 mins and all the time every other chance Real get.. so what do you do ? keep taking the kicks ? No your going to try and make a big deal out of it so they stop doing it.. Which they dont but atleast they get some punishment..
its become circular and it really isnt important who started it because its on now.. (although im sure people would like to argue that aswell)
and when all that has failed you have marcelo scissor kicking fabregas.. if fouling is a reliable tactic (and thats fine with me) then why shouldnt making a meal of the fouls be one aswell ? Its like the Joey Barton incident. sure he was an asshole but if Gervinho goes and slaps him even if its harmless its a red card period.. thats the culture as far as the interpretation of the rule is concerned..
I dont get why everyone is still compelled to criticize how the two teams are playing.. its not going to change anything and frankly whatever someone thinks works theyll do it.. i promise you the day they get stop getting kicked around they will stop play acting.. and you know why ? Because theyll be alot more unstoppable than they already are...
I still think really played with alot more venom upfront though.. it was a good game minus the obvious unpleasantries..
Pushing high up the pitch much Jose ?
i couldn't agree more.
i realize that i'm probably biased and that "who started it? discussions" never lead anywhere... i must say, though, that these "unpleasantries" where nowhere to be found before mourinho came to madrid (or at least they didn't get to a level where people would stick fingers into eyes after a match).
in the past few years, i've only once seen a similar situation... and that was the barça vs chelsea matches we got a few years in a row in the champions league. and of course mourinho did play a big role in that.
i don't know... to me it's pretty obvious where all that uglyness comes from.
I didnt mean to point you out in particular.. it was just relevant to the point I wanted to make, I support barca but I dont really blame Real for what they do its a part of the sport.. its just the nature of the game..
Upstarts might not remember Figo gettng pigheads thrown at him when Real was the best team in the world and Barca were mediocre at best less than a decade ago.. (at the cost of sounding like a dick) And frankly anything that happens in a random melee is pretty much ptless to discuss its happened, prob lots of other stuff did to. like kicks shoves (and face pulling lolol).. I dont see Ozil going nutso unless someone actually did something to him unprovoked either so something must have happened but they got their cards its done..
villa slaps ozil at 37, Higuain sees it and goes bonkers.. more so than ozil actually he actually pushes ozil out of the way and Villa sneaks off as the guilty guy usually does.. doesnt get away with it.. but ozil seems to have done somethinh provocative aswell but its a stretch to imagine it was anything worse than what was going on..
I liked Ronaldo though.. just like .. guys.. wtf not again.. seriously ?
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