EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 279
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On April 16 2012 19:11 Rebs wrote: I was speaking in relative terms. They werent any worse than Liverpool, for the most part. For them thats pretty good. All they can do is work hard. They have close to 0 genuine talent going forward. And by playing well I mean letting Carroll miss sitters. Everton put in the shift reasonably and had made it to the 90 which is a good job all things considered, seeing as how the game was going, I'd be pretty gutted, if the pack mule managed to find his spot after being shut down on most set pieces by Fellaini all night . No I didnt actually conjure that number up. I saw empy seats at around halftime so I looked at the gate attendance because I was surpirsed its like what 87k ? Wembly can easily take 100+, seated and standing, although Ill admit I dont know where theyd be standing. Atleast thats what is advertised. If im misinformed then I guess im wrong. I guess that's probably from when they use it as a venue for concerts and things and you can have people standing on the pitch, as standing at football grounds is banned at professional matches. Trust me there weren't 20000 spare tickets knocking around or I'd have been there  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 16 2012 19:22 Purple Haze wrote: I guess that's probably from when they use it as a venue for concerts and things and you can have people standing on the pitch, as standing at football grounds is banned at professional matches. Trust me there weren't 20000 spare tickets knocking around or I'd have been there Yea that was exaggeration on my part, I figured the real number was like 4-5000 which is also not right and Im not naive enough to believe that those choice seats that were empty werent the result of some regular old club bureaucracy. Its a shame the tickets get wasted rather then letting people take standby's even if it is members seats or whatever. The safety thing I didnt know. Makes sense. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On April 16 2012 19:28 Pandemona wrote: The last 2 you posted today were with even more Red Mist than the ones yesterday about 1% of the Chelsea fans (who were pissed out of there heads i might add) yelling some silly chants. Your posts seem to be majorly biast towards Liverpool and not with a bit of consideration to anything other than Liverpool. I understand it might of been "disrespectful" but that game had Nothing to do with Liverpool FC and should never have even been having a minute silence for them. But that is another story, you have 1% of fans who are idiots as well drunk or not so you cant point fingers thinking your club has never done anything wrong either. Well, there's a number of issues here. First of all, of course I'm biased towards Liverpool, I'm a Liverpool supporter. In a thread with supporters of all different clubs it's pretty obvious that each one is going to be biased in favour of their club, and more interested in discussing issues that relate to it. Secondly, I don't know about you, but when I get pissed I don't suddenly get the urge to disrespect the dead. One minute, that's all that was asked, and those supporters who died could just as easily have come from any club in the country. But the fact you put disrespectful in quotation marks tells me pretty much everything I need to know about you. And just so you know there's no red mist, just a judgement based on the evidence you've presented. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On April 16 2012 18:28 Rebs wrote: Well, you have the incentive that you'd like to have your country and league seen as a force an Europe, so its a natural inclination. England is already a Europan force and the biggest in the last 5-6 years. (well not trophy wise but yeah). Not as many people will feel like they care as much. Its pretty insinctive.. I think for me its about national pride. Portugal has 11 million people and we're 5th place on UEFA's ranking list, that's good enough for me xD. I always just found it a little weird seeing people here from the UK posting stuff like chelsea is gonna get smashed by barca or things along those lines. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Looks like Udinese has decided to support Morosini's disabled sister for life. Very nice of them. It's such a tragic tale. Both of her parents died before she was 18, and her other brother committed suicide soon after. Now this... I can't even begin to imagine what she's going through right now. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 16 2012 19:41 Purple Haze wrote: Well, there's a number of issues here. First of all, of course I'm biased towards Liverpool, I'm a Liverpool supporter. In a thread with supporters of all different clubs it's pretty obvious that each one is going to be biased in favour of their club, and more interested in discussing issues that relate to it. Secondly, I don't know about you, but when I get pissed I don't suddenly get the urge to disrespect the dead. One minute, that's all that was asked, and those supporters who died could just as easily have come from any club in the country. But the fact you put disrespectful in quotation marks tells me pretty much everything I need to know about you. And just so you know there's no red mist, just a judgement based on the evidence you've presented. Oh dear, read what you wanted to read again, sigh. What is wrong with supporters of Liverpool? Do you just think your better than every other club and thus should get preferential treatment? It truely is beyond me. Lets address this properly then if you cant have the decency to respect a post which is written in a non aggressive manner. 1. Chelsea vs Spurs is a derby, if you didn't know Chelsea and Spurs have lots of history in the past of aggressive meetings betweens fans and players going all back through history. They have always had a dislike for eachother, always will. So putting this game as an "evening" kick off at Wembley was a joke, will always be a stupid utterly disgraceful descion, not only just because of the fans going to be in the pub all sunday afternoon but because unlike any other team in England Chelsea have a very important semi final clash in the champions league, which happens to be on wednesday 3 days after an evening kick off in England, which could (should) of been played Saturday or even better for everyone, friday. So after most Chelsea fans being pissed off at the fact Liverpool were moved to play on the Saturday Chelsea the fans were all annoyed and were constantly moaning, add this to a drunken people and you get what happend in the minute silence, a very SMALL miniority of fans from the Chelsea end singing silly songs and disruspting the silence. They have been condemed by all Chelsea fans through out the ground and outside on our Forum. 2. You fail to understand that the small minority of Chelsea fans making a little noise in the minute silence was nothing compared to what the Liverpool fans did to the Man Utd ceremoney for the Munich air disaster. Which i think was the worst disaster to ever happen in football, due to the sheer sheer talent lost that day and how very sad it was. Anyway back to the point, your fans continuley sing the song YOUR fans created about the Munich air disaster and yet no one seems to kick up as big of a fuss as your fans did of yesterdays antics. 3. Your manager has publically supported a racist player through out this season, to the extent of the fact that your board of directors forced him to apologise to everyone at the Man Utd game after the Suarez hand shake incident, which again was an extroadinarly bad advert for football in England, cause by Liverpool FC, not anyone else. Yet thats "in the past now" and everyone seems to forgot about it. Also id like to add to your point about you posting about Liverpool so biastly, i was just stating this is not a Liverpool FC forum where you post just about Liverpool, its a FOOTBALL thread about all the football across europe and not just England. Nothing wrong with being biast in your post towards your own club, i am i know for a fact i am, but i do try to balance things up. Like in this one i have said the fans were idiots who boo'd sang, whatever, but it was a very very small miniority and all the Chelsea fans condemmed it, but Liverpool fans dont see it that way, they think were the Anti Liverpool this and that and completely disrespectful and our club should be hung and slaughtered, when that is not the case. It was a bad (VERY BAD) descion by the FA to make the game 6pm on a Sunday afternoon between 2 rivals. Like our FA Cup final date might i add, is 5:15 on the Saturday May 5th. Another great descion by the FA, will be great to see how that ends. | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
Which ceremony for the Munich air disaster are you referring to exactly? I condemn any Liverpool supporter who disrupts any show of respect for that, or sings songs about it. On the issue of the Suarez case, he was convicted by a kangaroo court purely based on one man's word against another, there was no actual evidence whatsoever. I can't say for sure that Luis Suarez is not a racist, I don't know the guy, but I can say for damn sure that that FA panel didn't prove that he is one. And as a Chelsea fan you've got some balls bringing the racism issue when you've still got John Terry wearing your captain's armband. You want to talk about double standards and special treatment, why is his trial taking place after the European Championships? | ||
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drag_
England425 Posts
On April 16 2012 20:08 Pandemona wrote: 3. Your manager has publically supported a racist player through out this season, to the extent of the fact that your board of directors forced him to apologise to everyone at the Man Utd game after the Suarez hand shake incident, which again was an extroadinarly bad advert for football in England, cause by Liverpool FC, not anyone else. Yet thats "in the past now" and everyone seems to forgot about it. Yeah it's not like anyone on Chelsea is undergoing a criminal investigation for racism... And it's not like this same guy had an affair with his team-mate's ex girlfriend. That really wasn't a bad advert for British football... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 16 2012 20:18 Purple Haze wrote: Well, the start of your post is just nonsense, I didn't read what i wanted to read, I read what you'd written, which didn't include a single word condemning anything, just a bunch of excuses about drinking, about how you shouldn't have been asked to do it anyway, and putting disrespectful in quotation marks as if that was just my opinion. If you'd condemned it at all at that point my response would have been very different. Which ceremony for the Munich air disaster are you referring to exactly? I condemn any Liverpool supporter who disrupts any show of respect for that, or sings songs about it. On the issue of the Suarez case, he was convicted by a kangaroo court purely based on one man's word against another, there was no actual evidence whatsoever. I can't say for sure that Luis Suarez is not a racist, I don't know the guy, but I can say for damn sure that that FA panel didn't prove that he is one. And as a Chelsea fan you've got some balls bringing the racism issue when you've still got John Terry wearing your captain's armband. You want to talk about double standards and special treatment, why is his trial taking place after the European Championships? 1. 2. The second one seems pretty bad as its at your end of season party/parade or something? Seems pretty sick to me. The reason i bought the racism debate up was due to the way your club handled it, your manager categorically denied it to the extent he made himself look like an complete idiot in the interview after the man united game, that is the difference. Also he was proven guilty because suarez himself said he DID say those things but it was taken out of context if you actually did your homework and read up on this situation. Remember that big 112 page FA statement they released just on your behalf's to outline the facts and points. John Terry situation is 100x different as he has not been found guilty yet Suarez has. They moved it to the end of European championships on basis of the players who are providing evidence (Ashely Cole/Sturridge etc) are at the european championships in the summer or if was during the season would be playing games thus would not of been good times. Wearing captains armband has nothing to do with any sort of charge on a player, the same when Gerrard got involved in that fight in the club/pub/bar whatever it was, when he was "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and he was involved in that he was still your captain, as he was innocent until proven guilty, like JT until they are guilty they are not wrong. But ok take the racism point out of the conversation, you still have no right to blast the whole of Chelsea FC fans for the less than 100 fans singing/boo'n drunkenly during a minute silence. Thats the major point i don't like about your original post. Putting all fans/the club in one boat due to a few is very silly, im not running away from our history in the past we have rivalled millwal with out antics, but we have banned those fans and have much much happier outtings both home and away now because of it and we are a well respected club on and off the field. As you can see from those video's they werent that long ago for you, and seem to be more than a minority. Yeah it's not like anyone on Chelsea is undergoing a criminal investigation for racism... And it's not like this same guy had an affair with his team-mate's ex girlfriend. That really wasn't a bad advert for British football... Racism ok, its a charge INVESTIGATING, so guilty until proven innocent. But what does JT sleeping with someones GF have anything to do with Brittish football :S, ws just something people with that much money do, if your in his position you would do all the silly antics they get up too, its just natual. Men see boobs and away we go, she was a lingerie model enough said! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28804 Posts
On April 16 2012 16:51 Telcontar wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17723688 Apparently the ref admitted it was a mistake and apologised to Redknapp. Of course refs use guesswork all the time, but they're not supposed to when awarding goals. You cannot just guess whether the ball crossed the line. If you didn't see it go over clearly, you cannot give it. Even if you thought 90% of the ball had crossed the line, the 10% of doubt means you cannot award it. dude what? that's not at all what I'm saying. If you think 90% of the ball crossed the line and that 10% didn't cross the line, that means you think the ball didn't cross the line. Obviously the referee shouldn't award a goal if he thinks the ball didn't cross the line. but if you're 90% certain the ball crossed the line, that means you think that in 9 out of 10 situations, the entire ball crossed the line. in that case, you have to award the goal, you can't just choose the solution you think is least likely just because awarding a goal is a serious decision. | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 16 2012 21:18 Pandemona wrote: On April 16 2012 20:18 Purple Haze wrote: Well, the start of your post is just nonsense, I didn't read what i wanted to read, I read what you'd written, which didn't include a single word condemning anything, just a bunch of excuses about drinking, about how you shouldn't have been asked to do it anyway, and putting disrespectful in quotation marks as if that was just my opinion. If you'd condemned it at all at that point my response would have been very different. Which ceremony for the Munich air disaster are you referring to exactly? I condemn any Liverpool supporter who disrupts any show of respect for that, or sings songs about it. On the issue of the Suarez case, he was convicted by a kangaroo court purely based on one man's word against another, there was no actual evidence whatsoever. I can't say for sure that Luis Suarez is not a racist, I don't know the guy, but I can say for damn sure that that FA panel didn't prove that he is one. And as a Chelsea fan you've got some balls bringing the racism issue when you've still got John Terry wearing your captain's armband. You want to talk about double standards and special treatment, why is his trial taking place after the European Championships? 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djL5ydEfagE 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlHMyp_jIyw The second one seems pretty bad as its at your end of season party/parade or something? Seems pretty sick to me. The reason i bought the racism debate up was due to the way your club handled it, your manager categorically denied it to the extent he made himself look like an complete idiot in the interview after the man united game, that is the difference. Also he was proven guilty because suarez himself said he DID say those things but it was taken out of context if you actually did your homework and read up on this situation. Remember that big 112 page FA statement they released just on your behalf's to outline the facts and points. John Terry situation is 100x different as he has not been found guilty yet Suarez has. They moved it to the end of European championships on basis of the players who are providing evidence (Ashely Cole/Sturridge etc) are at the european championships in the summer or if was during the season would be playing games thus would not of been good times. Wearing captains armband has nothing to do with any sort of charge on a player, the same when Gerrard got involved in that fight in the club/pub/bar whatever it was, when he was "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and he was involved in that he was still your captain, as he was innocent until proven guilty, like JT until they are guilty they are not wrong. But ok take the racism point out of the conversation, you still have no right to blast the whole of Chelsea FC fans for the less than 100 fans singing/boo'n drunkenly during a minute silence. Thats the major point i don't like about your original post. Putting all fans/the club in one boat due to a few is very silly, im not running away from our history in the past we have rivalled millwal with out antics, but we have banned those fans and have much much happier outtings both home and away now because of it and we are a well respected club on and off the field. As you can see from those video's they werent that long ago for you, and seem to be more than a minority. Racism ok, its a charge INVESTIGATING, so guilty until proven innocent. But what does JT sleeping with someones GF have anything to do with Brittish football :S, ws just something people with that much money do, if your in his position you would do all the silly antics they get up too, its just natual. Men see boobs and away we go, she was a lingerie model enough said! Both of those examples are terrible behaviour, and if I never see those fans at a Liverpool game again I'll be happy about it, but neither is disrupting a Man United commemoration of the disaster. Each example also appears to involve 'less than a hundred fans'. As for the racism thing, you really shouldn't tell people to educate themselves when you're completely ignorant on the issue in question. Suarez admitted to calling Evra 'black' as a noun with no attached abuse, which it was accepted by the FA's linguistic experts would in no way be racist. He was convicted of the far more elaborate version of the story Evra gave which has no supporting evidence whatsoever, and in that report you talk about it even says that they're convicting because they consider it to be 'likely' that Evra's version is the truth, based purely on his word. Last time I checked that's not how justice worked. As I said, I don't know what really happened, but neither do they, and people are innocent until they're proven guilty. Your post just demonstrates the fact that the vast majority of football supporters in this country calling Suarez a racist every week have no idea what actually happened in the hearing or what is in that 112 page report. As to the way Dalglish dealt with it he backed his player, as I would expect him to do when the player says he's innocent. If it had been proven otherwise I don't think for a second we'd have continued to back him the way we did, but that never happened. On the Terry issue you've clearly displayed that you're as biased as anyone else in this thread. It would be difficult for them to testify because they're playing? They all play for London clubs, the trial would be in London, they couldn't get down there for an afternoon? The trial is after the European Championships rather than having already happened is because England want him to play there, and it would be embarrassing for them if he was a convicted racist by that point. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
And like i said i condemn any fan who sang/outburst on sunday, but there was alot of factors adding to ours, what you didn't see was 100s of Chelsea fans outside in the middle of stamford bridge road singing about hillsborough? Yes maybe kenny backed his player under trial which i didnt mind, i said he continued to back the player once he had been found guilty that is "politically" incorrect, as our country is founded on stupid political correctness in the public domain as kenny is. Thus he was very wrong, even in his opinion if Suarez did not racially abuse Evra, he was found guilty to do so, and you have to accept that descion. He could just not answer any question on the situation, but he didn't always adding fuel to the fire at any given moment, until he embarassed himself and the club at old trafford. Terry situation, you clearly dont understand anything to do with court dates. They have to be agree'd by both sets of lawyers as to what time and when. They were offered the end of the season (End of may) which Chelsea said they would find that hard to get all their whitness' to the court as they would be in the European championships, so they came to the descion with the Court that it would be best to do it after the European Championships. And ill go on the record to say, if Terry is found guilty of "racially" abusing Ferdinand, i will support the descion and condone his actions, until then our Captain is innocent until proven guilty, thus he can continue with what he wants to do. Also this is the word Suarez admitted to using towards Evra, as it is also an ice cream company in South America... ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2541/3831875009_97d256a2dd.jpg) | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Goldeeh
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On April 16 2012 21:55 Pandemona wrote: You are very wrong about the SoS video, that is the biggest support group amongst your supporters, and for example this years "party" is being held in the O2 accademy you have in Liverpool which im pretty sure is able to hold 1000s of people, so i suggest you read up on that. And like i said i condemn any fan who sang/outburst on sunday, but there was alot of factors adding to ours, what you didn't see was 100s of Chelsea fans outside in the middle of stamford bridge road singing about hillsborough? Yes maybe kenny backed his player under trial which i didnt mind, i said he continued to back the player once he had been found guilty that is "politically" incorrect, as our country is founded on stupid political correctness in the public domain as kenny is. Thus he was very wrong, even in his opinion if Suarez did not racially abuse Evra, he was found guilty to do so, and you have to accept that descion. He could just not answer any question on the situation, but he didn't always adding fuel to the fire at any given moment, until he embarassed himself and the club at old trafford. Terry situation, you clearly dont understand anything to do with court dates. They have to be agree'd by both sets of lawyers as to what time and when. They were offered the end of the season (End of may) which Chelsea said they would find that hard to get all their whitness' to the court as they would be in the European championships, so they came to the descion with the Court that it would be best to do it after the European Championships. And ill go on the record to say, if Terry is found guilty of "racially" abusing Ferdinand, i will support the descion and condone his actions, until then our Captain is innocent until proven guilty, thus he can continue with what he wants to do. Also this is the word Suarez admitted to using towards Evra, as it is also an ice cream company in South America... You realise Negrito is used as a term of endearment in south america? IT has nothing to do with an ice cream company. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Reason i used Ice Cream company was the fact that the word is commonly used in his part of the world, yet it is not in England | ||
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Goldeeh
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On April 16 2012 22:18 Pandemona wrote: Excatly, the reason it all got out of hand, Suarez didn't know he was doing anything wrong because Liverpool or the PFA failed to tell him about certain words in England are bad and deemed racist here. I know Negrito is normally used as slang type of word in portugese i think, my mate is portugese and tells me they called blacks "blackie" not to be mean but because thats how its done over there etc. Reason i used Ice Cream company was the fact that the word is commonly used in his part of the world, yet it is not in England Why even bring it up then? Added nothing to your argument and made you look petty. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
As for court dates, why was the first date they were offered the end of the season? The incident happened in October ffs. As for SoS, I didn't speak about what will happen in the future, I spoke about that video, which clearly doesn't contain thousands of people, and there was hell to pay in the liverpool supporters community after that incident so I very much doubt it will happen again in a bigger and more sensible group. As for hundred's of Chelsea fans outside singing about hillsborough, you clearly weren't at the semi final in 2006. | ||
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