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On April 16 2012 03:58 Pandemona wrote:
Well that was an easy win!! Come on! Nothing better than beating ur rivals 5-1 haha!! Take away that goal, u could only see 1 winner in the second half imo. Spurs didn't do nothing but the goal in the 2nd half you have to agree with that. Chelsea ripped them apart on counter. Also i thinking taking Van Der Vart off was a silly descion is there best creative player as modric was having a bad game.
Chelsea vs Liverpool...May 5th OH BOY!!
(Torres vs Liverpool mmm)
Van Der Vaart gets taken off late in the 2nd half of nearly every Spurs game. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that his form usually dips after 70+ minutes because he doesn't have as much stamina as some of the other players.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
I don't get why the best player on Spurs always gets subbed in the 70-75th minute.
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I still think Chelsea deserved to go through, but the second goal made a mockery of the game. I can't even decide which is worse: missing an NFL-style tackle by John Terry, or awarding a goal when the ball didn't reach the line? The refereeing has been simply atrocious this season. Chelsea themselves were victims of Chris Foy in that match vs. QPR a few months ago. Only a certain team from Manchester seems to consistently avoid getting burned by horrible decisions.
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How would you feel about honesty in this situation?
from BBC Sport
Chelsea captain John Terry on BBC Radio 5 live: "I thought Mata's strike hit me and didn't go over, but the linesman's seen it and given it. I honestly don't think it went over the line but linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do about that. Spurs are one of the best sides in the league. It was a great performance and a great result."
So, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson admits Ashley Young "overdid it" when he won a penalty in his side's win over Aston Villa and now John Terry (below) admits Chelsea's second goal did not cross the line.
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen.
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On April 16 2012 03:55 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 03:53 Megatronn wrote:On April 16 2012 03:49 Telcontar wrote:
Well, at least Chelsea will have the FA Cup final to look forward to after losing to Barca. If they play like this it should be an entertaining match. I'm sad we won't have Luiz, his best talent is tackling skill players...considering all his retardedness it's the match he's most built for...annoying we won't have him.
Wow he's out? That fucking sucks.
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On April 16 2012 03:40 Sgany wrote:
Chelsea is a disgrace to football.
Wahahahaha. Because a linesman screwed up? Please, tell us more.
On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen.
There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple.
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On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple.
I don't think the linesman signaled the goal - the ref signaled the goal himself. Its unfortunate that referees can't retract decisions - I recall a game in the World Cup (Argentina v Mexico I think) where the linesman and referee realized they made a huge mistake in allowing a goal but couldn't reverse their decision.
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On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple.
Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself.
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On April 16 2012 04:02 city42 wrote:
I still think Chelsea deserved to go through, but the second goal made a mockery of the game. I can't even decide which is worse: missing an NFL-style tackle by John Terry, or awarding a goal when the ball didn't reach the line? The refereeing has been simply atrocious this season. Chelsea themselves were victims of Chris Foy in that match vs. QPR a few months ago. Only a certain team from Manchester seems to consistently avoid getting burned by horrible decisions.
So I'm a CFC fan, and I feel for Tottenham regarding the 2nd goal, it killed the game and killed their spirit (despite the Bale goal). That said I'm also a basketball referee, which although obviously massively different has provided me with the following insights. I make mistakes all the time, the only thing is, is that my mistakes are very rarely game changing. Football, by its very nature often hinges on one, maybe two key moments in the game. Meaning that if a reffing mistake occurs, it will have that much more of an impact. Chelsea got royally screwed 3 years ago in ECL, as have every team at some point in their history, until we have video, these kinds of mistakes will keep on happening.
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On April 16 2012 04:24 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple. Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself.
linesman/ref. Its an officials screw up, if you want to nitpick the irrelevant part of the sentence.
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On April 16 2012 04:01 Twisted wrote:
I don't get why the best player on Spurs always gets subbed in the 70-75th minute.
Because Redknapp is tactically inept. 90% of his games involve VDV -> Defoe at 70-88 mins or playing some stupid 4-4-2 that the top 7 teams consistently shut down with ease.
Even when Chelsea were leading 2-1, 3-1, 4-1 you could see Di Matteo signalling to his players, yelling and discussing with his coaches. Redknapp just sat there with that dumbass look he has when things aren't going his way.
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On April 16 2012 04:26 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:24 city42 wrote:On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple. Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself. linesman/ref. Its an officials screw up, if you want to nitpick the irrelevant part of the sentence.
Alright relevant part, Chelsea players hopping around claiming the goal. Its fine that it happened, but I hate this absolving of all faults. Everyone does it, part of the game. The onus is on the official and this was pretty retarded.
Also it certainly matters who awarded the goal. Its not nitpicking, what it does prove is that your statement has pretty low credibility even if you are right, since you didnt care to have your facts straight, in other words you couldnt care less and neither could Terry all that mattered was getting the goal. Saying your hands are tied is an easy excuse to hide behind after claiming a goal. So clearly your opinion is biased.
And no Chelsea are no disgrace to football thats ridiculous troll bait. Honeslty it was a pretty flat game before that happened. Atleast we saw goals, but a Spurs fan should be livid..
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On April 16 2012 04:26 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:24 city42 wrote:On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple. Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself. linesman/ref. Its an officials screw up, if you want to nitpick the irrelevant part of the sentence.
I think it's an important distinction because the linesman almost always has the best view. On top of that, the default decision should be "no goal" if it's difficult to determine whether the ball fully crossed the line. Between blowing that decision and missing John Terry's hilarious foul, Atkinson didn't do himself any favors.
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The phantom goal is an unfortunate error from the match officials. I believe the blame should be put on the ref for allowing the goal to begin with. I also believe the blame the lack of goal line technology in modern football.
I think it's completely unfair to blame either Chelsea or Terry for it. Almost any other player would have went on with it and accepted the goal. Hell, almost any person in the world would accept the call were they in Chelsea's position. Of course, you have to sympathize for Spurs too.
As a Milan fan, I understand the frustration with the lack of goal line technology. For those who don't keep up with Serie A, Milan had a disallowed goal against Juventus back in February and had to settle for a 1-1 draw. Juventus keeper Buffon was in good position to see the ball cross the line but went along with the referee's decision. Milan defender Thiago Silva later on said he would've done the same were he in Buffon's position and I agree with him. The fault was with the linesman not doing his job right.
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On April 16 2012 04:33 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:26 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:24 city42 wrote:On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple. Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself. linesman/ref. Its an officials screw up, if you want to nitpick the irrelevant part of the sentence. Alright relevant part, Chelsea players hopping around claiming the goal. Its fine that it happened, but I hate this absolving of all faults. Everyone does it, part of the game. The onus is on the official and this was pretty retarded. Also it certainly matters who awarded the goal. Its not nitpicking, what it does prove is that your statement has pretty low credibility even if you are right, since you didnt care to have your facts straight, in other words you couldnt care less and neither could Terry all that mattered was getting the goal. Saying your hands are tied is an easy excuse to hide behind after claiming a goal. So clearly your opinion is biased. And no Chelsea are no disgrace to football thats ridiculous troll bait. Honeslty it was a pretty flat game before that happened. Atleast we saw goals, but a Spurs fan should be livid..
Terry never claimed the goal, he was on his backside in the goalmouth. And I do blame the linesman, and the ref. They both missed terry fouling three players, and then the ref gave the goal. But if terry goes up to the ref and says 'hey mate i dont think it was a goal', it wouldn't change a damn thing. We know he wouldnt do it in the game, but if he did the ref had already made the call. As it is, when a ref consults the linesman players arent supposed to get involved. Mata claims a goal, but he takes the shot and obviously would claim it. Kinda like how young falls over himself and claims a pen.
But you say 'the onus is on the officials', which is kinda what I said, too. Its the officials fault (both of them).
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On April 16 2012 04:35 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 04:26 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:24 city42 wrote:On April 16 2012 04:20 Stimp wrote:On April 16 2012 04:12 Denzil wrote:
Surely Terry is not quite telling the truth when he says "the linesman gave it and there's nothing we can do," though. He could have told the referee, surely?
And yes, I know that is never going to happen. There is nothing they can do. Even if he told him after, what is any players 'opinion' supposed to mean. He already had all the spurs players telling him it never went over. Its a linesman screw up, plain and simple. Not true at all. Atkinson overruled the linesman and awarded the goal himself. linesman/ref. Its an officials screw up, if you want to nitpick the irrelevant part of the sentence. I think it's an important distinction because the linesman almost always has the best view. On top of that, the default decision should be "no goal" if it's difficult to determine whether the ball fully crossed the line. Between blowing that decision and missing John Terry's hilarious foul, Atkinson didn't do himself any favors.
I thought it was the linesman because thats who bale wanted to eat. Linesman had the worst view in this case, with quite a few bodies in the way.
Someone needs to put the whole incident on youtube with the benny hill theme song.
I aint happy with the incident at all. Sure it helped us, but now people will just say chelsea ' cheated ' and claim we only won because that goal changed the game etc etc.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I wonder how many still think Redknapp is right for the England job. Spurs have had a good season, and getting to the semis of the FA cup isn't bad at all, but is he really good enough to win things with England? I don't think so. I think everyone was just swept up in the hype of an english manager who was in charge of an in-form team. I personally think the FA should just hire an interim manager for the Euros, and try and get Mourinho or someone else at that level for the long haul.
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On April 16 2012 06:04 Telcontar wrote:
I wonder how many still think Redknapp is right for the England job. Spurs have had a good season, and getting to the semis of the FA cup isn't bad at all, but is he really good enough to win things with England? I don't think so. I think everyone was just swept up in the hype of an english manager who was in charge of an in-form team. I personally think the FA should just hire an interim manager for the Euros, and try and get Mourinho or someone else at that level for the long haul.
but Telecontar, he's English.
therefore we're going to win the world cup because thats what everyones been saying since half way in capellos reign
get an english manager and it will solve our problems
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On April 16 2012 04:37 o3.power91 wrote:
The phantom goal is an unfortunate error from the match officials. I believe the blame should be put on the ref for allowing the goal to begin with. I also believe the blame the lack of goal line technology in modern football.
![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AqjDlIJCAAA8UI8.jpg)
At least from this perspective it looks like the ref was right. Hmm, watched it live and could've sworn it didn't cross the line :x
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Even from that angle, you can clearly see the ball (all of it) isn't even close to crossing the line. As a ref, you cannot give decisions, especially goals, if you're not absolutely sure. This was just guesswork by the ref.
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