On July 12 2011 02:03 Mordiford wrote:Who are you quoting? I never said this...
What the fuck is going on? Someone else attributed something to me that I didn't say and now I'm straight up being misquoted.
Sorry about that, phone post. Fixed now.
Other sports that are boring if you don't know what's going on: Chess, Golf, Baseball, most Athletics. I'd even say Formula1 for the same old circuits. They're competitive no doubt, but have a hard time gluing people to their screens if it wasn't for big names and things unrelated to strictly the mechanical/individual aspects.
Then there's incredibly popular sports that aren't as competitive as others, but still have an avid viewer-ship, an unbelievable hype to them. Whatever discipline I'd mention here (maybe other than LoL or fighting games) will start a pretty unrelated rant because we all are fans of one thing or the other. Maybe Rugby as Brood War and American Football as SC2? Whatever the case, it needs to look good on TV as well. And for the untrained eye, that's the case for LoL more than other Moba's.
Edit: if you think you can't play competitive Tetris, try beating this guy:
(to be blunt: yes I couldn't give a rats behind about the skillcap of tetris)
On July 12 2011 05:46 jhNz wrote: can you guys advice me some good youtube channels with commentated lol-matches? i've got basically zero experience with that game.
http://www.youtube.com/colbycheeze has a few good things, but since the spectator/replay mode is only supposedly coming with season 2, commentaries are not so popular yet.
On July 12 2011 05:46 jhNz wrote: can you guys advice me some good youtube channels with commentated lol-matches? i've got basically zero experience with that game.
If you get into it, you can watch all of the championship games at the season one website here. Although, the biggest problem with using that site is there are spoilers for literally every match easily seen in the description. You might be able to just go to own3d.tv to find non-spoiler vods of DreamHack if you want.
Try looking at videos here for spoiler free. They won't be in order though and it's likely you'll get some of the qualifier games that weren't played at DreamHack (although some of the qualifier games were actually pretty interesting).
Sick, I'm excited. I just downloaded the game and can see it's appeal. Interested to see what heroes the pros use. Something to tune into when the SC2 streams are on break for sure.
On July 12 2011 05:46 jhNz wrote: can you guys advice me some good youtube channels with commentated lol-matches? i've got basically zero experience with that game.
http://www.youtube.com/colbycheeze has a few good things, but since the spectator/replay mode is only supposedly coming with season 2, commentaries are not so popular yet.
Wow, that was actually pretty cool to watch, but it got pretty damn confusing near the end there. What prompted the base race? Was that basically the only way aAa coulda won due to being behind in kills/money?
(SUPER new to the game here, but I think I might start watching more of it).
On July 12 2011 05:46 jhNz wrote: can you guys advice me some good youtube channels with commentated lol-matches? i've got basically zero experience with that game.
http://www.youtube.com/colbycheeze has a few good things, but since the spectator/replay mode is only supposedly coming with season 2, commentaries are not so popular yet.
Wow, that was actually pretty cool to watch, but it got pretty damn confusing near the end there. What prompted the base race? Was that basically the only way aAa coulda won due to being behind in kills/money?
(SUPER new to the game here, but I think I might start watching more of it).
Basically. It was a last ditch effort.
Also, @all the people calling LoL "boring to watch, its too passive". High level competitive LoL is watching a viking/tank TvT. It's all about being in the right place at the right time to catch your opponents mistakes. If you can't stand to watch a long TvT (which is my favorite matchup to watch actually) then you can't stand to watch a game of LoL. It's really that simple
On July 12 2011 16:04 Gfox wrote: Hope that they can drop call of duty dirtops asap. There again someone has to keep the console-toddlers happy....
On the whole good news, why not HoN though? I always was under the impression that HoN was a better game than LoL? I may well be deluded.
I'm under the impression LoL has a huge fanbase compared to HoN. In the end they just want people to watch, and more people will watch the more popular game.
people taking about the differences between bw and sc2 being similar to dota and lol are extremely wrong. while sc2 has less mechanics than bw, the metagame is pretty similar. On the other hand a lol player has to do 1/10 of the stuff that a dota player has to do, and has to THINK about 1/10 of the stuff a dota player has to think. Just watch the first 10 minutes of a high level chinese dota game. Then watch the first 10 minutes (or any part of a lol game). It's so oversimplified it's not even funny, lanephase everyone farms and if someone fails horribly a gank happens, mid and late game it's 5 people going around the woods getting big creeps, waiting to engage 5v5 when someone fails. a dota game can end in 10 minutes, have 30 kills because they play absurdly good mind games and perfect execution. the comparison is really not right, the difference between sc2 and bw is something like 150 apm while the difference between dota and lol is absurd. I tried all the games, I know people who play "competitive" lol and they admit that they would never be decent at dota/hon and they have tried. I'm not hating or being elitist, it's just that from a spectator point of view I'd rather watch something that actually requires skills/training
On July 12 2011 16:28 muNsu wrote: I'm not hating or being elitist, it's just that from a spectator point of view I'd rather watch something that actually requires skills/training
Problem is, from a "LoL player"s perspective, they'd rather watch LoL. It's the game they know. Introducing LoL to MLG is just an attempt to attract this crowd as new viewers, not to entertain viewers of their other games. (mostly)
On July 12 2011 05:46 jhNz wrote: can you guys advice me some good youtube channels with commentated lol-matches? i've got basically zero experience with that game.
http://www.youtube.com/colbycheeze has a few good things, but since the spectator/replay mode is only supposedly coming with season 2, commentaries are not so popular yet.
Wow, that was actually pretty cool to watch, but it got pretty damn confusing near the end there. What prompted the base race? Was that basically the only way aAa coulda won due to being behind in kills/money?
(SUPER new to the game here, but I think I might start watching more of it).
Basically. It was a last ditch effort.
Also, @all the people calling LoL "boring to watch, its too passive". High level competitive LoL is watching a viking/tank TvT. It's all about being in the right place at the right time to catch your opponents mistakes. If you can't stand to watch a long TvT (which is my favorite matchup to watch actually) then you can't stand to watch a game of LoL. It's really that simple
no one actually liked mass tank/viking, so doesn't bode too well for LoL
At the highest level of LoL competition there's still a lot you have to keep track of. Current meta-game strategies, what the other team likes to do, what they're likely to do knowing you know that, timings on all the creep, counter-strategies to what you're doing or planning on doing -- it's extremely meta-game-based. Another thing to take in to consideration is wise positioning and never being caught in an unfavourable one. Sure, it might not be as mentally demanding as some games, but it still takes a lot of coordination.
Personally, until recently I never thought watching a LoL match would be fun. I like playing the game, but the spectator aspect I thought would be a bore. I was completely wrong. After watching Dreamhack -- mostly LoL over SC2 because of how much better it was than I thought it would be -- I can't wait for more casts from the Riot guys. In particular, this moment really wow'd me: I think this is Game Two of the Grand Finals match and after a team fight Anivia is in enemy territory and on the run. With two people against the enemy team they manage a set-up that turns moment around hugely, and as an Ashe player, I really, really appreciate the amazing arrow that ends it all.
Edit: ugh, such a good play. Re-watching the game now. This particular game is pretty one-sided, but also very action-packed. A good watch. DAT ASHE -- in the HD link, look on the mini-map where Ashe is when that arrow hits: mid near home-base. Yellowstar gosu.
On July 12 2011 16:46 Maliris wrote: no one actually liked mass tank/viking, so doesn't bode too well for LoL
Really? No one likes TvT? What about Boxer vs Jinro then, which I find very entertaining.
That isn't tank viking... i am talking about patch 1.0 when tanks did 60 damage and nothing else was viable. I said "no one actually LIKED mass tank/viking" not "no one likes TvT"
On July 12 2011 17:25 Mente wrote: How did LoL get picked up and not HoN?
probably because HoN isn as popular
i think its an issue of balance. Im not entirely sure of how balance LoL is, but I am certain that Hon is nowhere near balanced enough to provide a fair competitive scene. Sure, it does have some support in the competitive scene, but with S2 just pumping out heroes and not really worrying about balance until the community cries over it, the competitive scene for Hon is very distant. Hopefully dota2 will take both aspects of hon and LoL to become a competitive powerhouse like dota was in the past.
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