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On November 21 2011 21:14 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 19:34 Velr wrote:
Or just send spies upon spies so they would not recover for centuries (and some Minor eventually breaks off)? (Thats how i tend to deal with Austria if i won a war but can't or don't want to split them).
I assume the Burgundian armies have been dead/non existant before you made peace? That's the thing, I was kind of in a rush. 40k troops were descending upon me that were, for some reason, all the way in Bohemia. I had less than a year before they came to me and fucked my shit up. In fact, as I made peace, they were sieging some territories already in the Southern provinces. And I didn't have the warscore to break the core in the peace deal, and it wouldn't let me do the cultural unity shit. In retrospect, it was a VERY stupid and greedy idea. Oh well, such is the life of High aggression.
You can only Promote Cultural Unity near your National Focus, and obviously the province needs to be of your culture group. At the start of the game, that would be the case for Antwerpen, but of course it might have shifted sometime in between.
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On November 21 2011 21:45 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 21:14 Fruscainte wrote:On November 21 2011 19:34 Velr wrote:
Or just send spies upon spies so they would not recover for centuries (and some Minor eventually breaks off)? (Thats how i tend to deal with Austria if i won a war but can't or don't want to split them).
I assume the Burgundian armies have been dead/non existant before you made peace? That's the thing, I was kind of in a rush. 40k troops were descending upon me that were, for some reason, all the way in Bohemia. I had less than a year before they came to me and fucked my shit up. In fact, as I made peace, they were sieging some territories already in the Southern provinces. And I didn't have the warscore to break the core in the peace deal, and it wouldn't let me do the cultural unity shit. In retrospect, it was a VERY stupid and greedy idea. Oh well, such is the life of High aggression. You can only Promote Cultural Unity near your National Focus, and obviously the province needs to be of your culture group. At the start of the game, that would be the case for Antwerpen, but of course it might have shifted sometime in between.
Oh wow, I did not know that. I'll remember that for the future.
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So i'm playing Poland, and i've taken would be russia today, west germany and half the ottoman (I've also got norway in pu, and they have almost all of scandinavia), i have also colonized 90% of north america and some good chunks of africa and south america, however i'm in 1660 so i can no longer do holy war (I'm quite new so i didn't consider this and now it's too late), and every time i take a state i have to remember and spend magistrates to abandon the HRE (Luckily i get about 5 or 6 each year due to absolutely monarchy, 17 spheres and decisions etc).
I have three immidately problems though:
1. As i expand into ming, is there way to get a holy war casus belli after 1650? As taking all their provinces would cost a huge amount with imperialism casus belli.
2. Is there any way to use imperialism casus belli on nations you're at war with but did not declare war on? my biggest problem atm is when i go to eat up a german minor and the entire europa joins in, and i have to demand money or white peace out with all of them because my casus belli only counts on the country i declared war on, and i do not wish to pay 4 or 8 infamy for a single state.
3. When dismanteling the holy roman empire, i understand that i need the capital of the current leader, however i also need to control the electors as far as i understand, does this mean i need to vasalize all of the electors? Or do i simply need to control their capitals as well?
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On November 21 2011 22:27 Bagonad wrote:
So i'm playing Poland, and i've taken would be russia today, west germany and half the ottoman (I've also got norway in pu, and they have almost all of scandinavia), i have also colonized 90% of north america and some good chunks of africa and south america, however i'm in 1660 so i can no longer do holy war (I'm quite new so i didn't consider this and now it's too late), and every time i take a state i have to remember and spend magistrates to abandon the HRE (Luckily i get about 5 or 6 each year due to absolutely monarchy, 17 spheres and decisions etc).
I have three immidately problems though:
1. As i expand into ming, is there way to get a holy war casus belli after 1650? As taking all their provinces would cost a huge amount with imperialism casus belli.
2. Is there any way to use imperialism casus belli on nations you're at war with but did not declare war on? my biggest problem atm is when i go to eat up a german minor and the entire europa joins in, and i have to demand money or white peace out with all of them because my casus belli only counts on the country i declared war on, and i do not wish to pay 4 or 8 infamy for a single state.
3. When dismanteling the holy roman empire, i understand that i need the capital of the current leader, however i also need to control the electors as far as i understand, does this mean i need to vasalize all of the electors? Or do i simply need to control their capitals as well?
1. No. You will have to use either Imperialism, or later on Revolutionary War with the "Revolution and Counterrevolution" NI.
2. No. But you can get around this by declaring war simulatenously against multiple countries. Just take a look at who will join in, and decide what you want from them, pause the game and declare imperialism CBs against those countries. If you are already in that war, i would suggest just using the additional infamy on vassalisations, vassals are always nice to have. Also, there are other nice things you can get from a war which do not cost infamy. For example money, prestige by humiliating them, you can force them to release minor nations (the released nations are allied with you, so you only need to get a Royal marriage, and you can Diplo-Vassalize them)
3. Both work. You need to either vassalize or occupy the capitol of all of the electors, and occupy the capitol of the current HRE at the same time.
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On November 21 2011 22:49 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 22:27 Bagonad wrote:
So i'm playing Poland, and i've taken would be russia today, west germany and half the ottoman (I've also got norway in pu, and they have almost all of scandinavia), i have also colonized 90% of north america and some good chunks of africa and south america, however i'm in 1660 so i can no longer do holy war (I'm quite new so i didn't consider this and now it's too late), and every time i take a state i have to remember and spend magistrates to abandon the HRE (Luckily i get about 5 or 6 each year due to absolutely monarchy, 17 spheres and decisions etc).
I have three immidately problems though:
1. As i expand into ming, is there way to get a holy war casus belli after 1650? As taking all their provinces would cost a huge amount with imperialism casus belli.
2. Is there any way to use imperialism casus belli on nations you're at war with but did not declare war on? my biggest problem atm is when i go to eat up a german minor and the entire europa joins in, and i have to demand money or white peace out with all of them because my casus belli only counts on the country i declared war on, and i do not wish to pay 4 or 8 infamy for a single state.
3. When dismanteling the holy roman empire, i understand that i need the capital of the current leader, however i also need to control the electors as far as i understand, does this mean i need to vasalize all of the electors? Or do i simply need to control their capitals as well? 1. No. You will have to use either Imperialism, or later on Revolutionary War with the "Revolution and Counterrevolution" NI. 2. No. But you can get around this by declaring war simulatenously against multiple countries. Just take a look at who will join in, and decide what you want from them, pause the game and declare imperialism CBs against those countries. If you are already in that war, i would suggest just using the additional infamy on vassalisations, vassals are always nice to have. Also, there are other nice things you can get from a war which do not cost infamy. For example money, prestige by humiliating them, you can force them to release minor nations (the released nations are allied with you, so you only need to get a Royal marriage, and you can Diplo-Vassalize them) 3. Both work. You need to either vassalize or occupy the capitol of all of the electors, and occupy the capitol of the current HRE at the same time.
Thank you for responding, i will definitely be using the "Declare war while paused" idea.
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On November 19 2011 03:42 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 00:02 Simberto wrote:
I have noticed that the ruler influences your problems with WE by a very large margin. Sadly, unless you are a republic you can't influence your ruler. If you have an Admin 6-8 ruler, WE is usually no problem, because you get enough reduction to deal with it unless you are REALLY losing a war. However, with your usual Admin 3 dumbass, your WE will rack up pretty quickly even while winning a war. I don't think it's sad you can't influence your ruler as a monarchy, incompetent rulers is something countries really had to deal with and with personal unions monarchies are already powerful enough. Republics need atleast some advantages over monarchies. btw I read a really wel written AAR I reccomend it to you all http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?562965-The-Red-Lioness-of-Holland&s=81d851a056fc53e37addee10148c188f
Thanks for posting that up. Just read it all in one sitting, truly one of the best AAR's I've read in any game.
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Alright, question.
So I want to conquer the entire Mediterranean as Venice. Now, as I gain infamy -- I lose trading potential. As I stay a small size, my tech skyrockets compared to other people. At some point, I am going to have to throw away my trading and my tech advantage to start conquering people. When should this be? Should I get a nice web of alliances and bribes and the like until like 1500-1550, and then start conquering shit, or should I start out early, or what?
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Since the main amount of trading will be happening in your own CoT, it is not that important. Just start conquering while staying at low infamy. Instead of taking 12 infamy at once, maybe take just 2-3, and then take 2-3 more after that is almost gone. Small amounts of infamy over a long time should leave your trading potential mostly intact, and especially constant, while large surges of infamy tend to make you lose most of your merchants, and break your income for a pretty long time and makes it spiky.
If you want to compete in any CoTs which are not yours, avoid conquering noncored CoTs at all costs.
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On November 22 2011 04:37 Simberto wrote:
Since the main amount of trading will be happening in your own CoT, it is not that important. Just start conquering while staying at low infamy. Instead of taking 12 infamy at once, maybe take just 2-3, and then take 2-3 more after that is almost gone. Small amounts of infamy over a long time should leave your trading potential mostly intact, and especially constant, while large surges of infamy tend to make you lose most of your merchants, and break your income for a pretty long time and makes it spiky.
If you want to compete in any CoTs which are not yours, avoid conquering noncored CoTs at all costs.
Any idea where I should start then? I was thinking the Balkans and the like, and moving into Italy later. Hm.
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On November 22 2011 04:33 Fruscainte wrote:
Alright, question.
So I want to conquer the entire Mediterranean as Venice. Now, as I gain infamy -- I lose trading potential. As I stay a small size, my tech skyrockets compared to other people. At some point, I am going to have to throw away my trading and my tech advantage to start conquering people. When should this be? Should I get a nice web of alliances and bribes and the like until like 1500-1550, and then start conquering shit, or should I start out early, or what?
I'm not entirely sure about how the Venetian sliders are placed from the start but when I played as Mecklenburg (trading focused nation) I never had any problem maintaining 5 and later 6 merchants in every CoT in Europe and nearby even while conquering large parts of northern Germany and Denmark/southern Sweden.
I just maxed out free trade before anything else and then I got Shrewd Commercial Practice as my 3rd or 4th NI to compensate for the drop in compete chance. It let me keep both my income and my technology at the level of the smaller nations while competing in army/navy size with the larger nations.
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Honestly if you get Shrew commercial practice and aim at free trade asap any european nation can get pretty good at trade. I've had several game with Italian nation lately (especially 1399 Tuscany) and they all are mercantilism oriented at first, but in a few decade you can turn it around and even with Tuscany which is far weaker that Genoa or Venice, you can end up being the best trader around.
Obviously it's only true in single player, in MP Venice, the Hansa and Novgorod rule the trade.
And to learn the game, an easy country such as France or England are the best I think. England is the easy mode of EU3.
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Wait, Galley's and other medium ships get bonus' in the Mediterranean right? I mean, HUGE bonus', I heard, right?
Why pick up the 50% ship cost reduction for a Mediterranean nation then if you can just spam >10 ducat ships?
Also, this is where I stand:
![[image loading]](http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3658/veniceg.png)
Got Austria as my bro from day 1. When I Holy War'd Ottomans, Algiers came to fuck my shit up. I could easily beat them, it's just I had to sit my navy by the Ottomans so that they would not cross the strait and fuck me up with their stacks. So I released Crete to them when they took it, and since I got a core, twice the navy size, etc. etc. I'll just declare on them after the truce and take it back, along with making them release a bunch of nations (that will subsequently be allied to me), etc. etc.
Basically got one of my cores in Balkans, released Bulgaria as my ally and my buffer from Northern nations, and so forth.
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The problem is that you probably don't have that large of a naval force limit, and while galleys are a bit better in inland seas (i don't exactly know to what extent), they also fill up your force limits very, very fast, and it gets expensive pretty fast when you go over your limit. Plus if you ever get to colonizing, you will want to have large ships anyways. Maybe its just that i really don't like galleys and large ships seem to be a much more stable way to go.
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On November 22 2011 07:11 Simberto wrote:
The problem is that you probably don't have that large of a naval force limit, and while galleys are a bit better in inland seas (i don't exactly know to what extent), they also fill up your force limits very, very fast, and it gets expensive pretty fast when you go over your limit. Plus if you ever get to colonizing, you will want to have large ships anyways. Maybe its just that i really don't like galleys and large ships seem to be a much more stable way to go.
Well I have no intention of colonization.
I remember hearing a lot from the Paradox forums that Galley's got some ridiculous inland + Mediterranean bonus' and shit, so I kind of just instinctively went them in my game. Got like 25 Galley's and 10 Cogs, and I tore through (and I mean absolutely obliterated) the navy of Aragon, who had 20 Carracks and 15 Cogs. Perhaps it will bite me in the ass late game though, no harm in experimenting however.
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If you reach a point where you feel big ships are better I don't see any problem with just dismantling all your galleys, they cost nothing anyways so it's not like you've wasted any huge amount of ducats on them and if they give you the naval superiority that you need in the early years then the money wasn't really wasted at all.
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On November 22 2011 07:18 Blondinbengt wrote:
If you reach a point where you feel big ships are better I don't see any problem with just dismantling all your galleys, they cost nothing anyways so it's not like you've wasted any huge amount of ducats on them and if they give you the naval superiority that you need in the early years then the money wasn't really wasted at all.
Indeed indeed.
I'm just starting to think I should have waited longer to start conquering so my Tech could have slingshotted like crazy, but I'm still ahead of everyone nonetheless.
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On November 22 2011 07:24 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 07:18 Blondinbengt wrote:
If you reach a point where you feel big ships are better I don't see any problem with just dismantling all your galleys, they cost nothing anyways so it's not like you've wasted any huge amount of ducats on them and if they give you the naval superiority that you need in the early years then the money wasn't really wasted at all. Indeed indeed. I'm just starting to think I should have waited longer to start conquering so my Tech could have slingshotted like crazy, but I'm still ahead of everyone nonetheless.
Well, you're mostly fighting Eastern and Arabic countries so you'll have a huge tech advantage anyways won't you?
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Is there any way to get an addon to auto build buildings for you? I'm at 200 + provinces and once I reach the building that adds magistrates it won't be all that much fun to use all of them up...
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On November 22 2011 15:49 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 07:24 Fruscainte wrote:On November 22 2011 07:18 Blondinbengt wrote:
If you reach a point where you feel big ships are better I don't see any problem with just dismantling all your galleys, they cost nothing anyways so it's not like you've wasted any huge amount of ducats on them and if they give you the naval superiority that you need in the early years then the money wasn't really wasted at all. Indeed indeed. I'm just starting to think I should have waited longer to start conquering so my Tech could have slingshotted like crazy, but I'm still ahead of everyone nonetheless. Well, you're mostly fighting Eastern and Arabic countries so you'll have a huge tech advantage anyways won't you?
For now, yes. However, when I start fighting in Italy/Western Europe (which is inevitable), I may be a bit behind. Hopefully, by then, my size will make up for it.
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The only problem EU3 have is, that EU2 is so far better ^^
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