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On November 06 2011 03:25 dranko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 03:23 Caller wrote:On November 06 2011 03:20 dranko wrote:
Is there any way of making sure Ottomas does not DoW me as Bysantium? Restarted 4 times now, usually I manage to conquer 5 or 6 provinces from random nations in Minor Asia and the Balkans, but the Ottomans always seem to take me down sooner or later. kill them first, duh Not sure how i would go about doing that.
Here's a quick Byzantium walkthrough I made a while ago. It's played on Low Aggression and everything else normal (I can't remember if Lucky Nations was turned on or not).
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?562829-The-toughest-Nations-to-play-as&p=12910585&viewfull=1#post12910585
On November 06 2011 06:35 malignant wrote:
Could you guys give me some advice on playing one of the Italian OPM ?
I usually play German OPM, especially Frankfurt who is a trading powerhouse due to their government type. When playing as Mantua my merchants seldom gains a foothold at the CoT and even if they did, they would get kicked out pretty soon.
A gamble with taking loan, hiring mercenaries and trying to annex might work. But it is such a risky strategy and I prefer a safer, more methodical approach.
Edit: this is on very hard, DW 5.1 patch, no mods
Sell your army and move towards free trade. Sell advisors like crazy. Use the spies you get from all of that to annex all the other Lombard countries peacefully. Do whatever.
Works best as Tuscany since you get great rulers and thus lots of free cores.
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As far as i know "Unlawul Territory" disappers when you gain core on province in question.
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On November 07 2011 18:54 Velr wrote:
Isn't selling army a sure way to get annexed in the first few years? At least if you don't set the enemy nations on defensive... In my experience not beeing near the forcelimit (or having a shitton of Vassals) will mean that sooner or later you will just get attacked by a big guy and die (probably sooner if your just an opm?).
The AI rarely starts inter-HRE wars with no CB. Notice how Tuscany, Ferrara, Modena, and Mantua often last the entire game (or most of it), or are only annexed by one another (Claims on our Rivals). Unless you're playing Urbino you should be fine.
In my game as Tuscany, I went without armies until well into the 1400s without issue. I only had to start maintaining troops once I was taking provinces from Milan via spies, thanks to the 'Defected Province' CB.
On November 07 2011 18:54 Velr wrote:
Question:
If I take "Unlawful Territory" and don't give it back to the HRE it says the penalties stay until 1821 (so until the end of the game).. But I assume these penalties will vanish when the territory isn't unlawful anymore?
There is an event with MTTH of 2 years to remove the modifier if the province is cored, but it can take longer due to infamy (and maybe other factors to, can't remember and the event seems to be buried deeper than it's worth looking for).
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Thanks..
Hm.. In my games Italy mostly looks like this:
1399... ding dign ding.. WAR!
Urbinho dies to "someone" (Papal state normally).
Tuscany dies to "someone" OR wins against the papal state and gets Romaga.
Milan is everywhere put normally takes nothing.
Suddenly Siena gets formed (Pisa/Siena)... if Tuscany is still alive and hasn't grown (taken land) Siena will take it.
I honestly never saw Tuscany making it far in Italy ^^. But well, stranger things have happened  .. In one of my games Siena became one of the biggest colonial powers in the World and Urbinho owned nearly all of Italy...
I never played Tuscany myself, but it does not seem like a save choice for not having an army to me ^^.
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I can't remember a single game where Tuscany was annexed in the first 100 years, and in many/most of my games it lasts the entire game.
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I don't know, maybe my game is special ? Tuscany really seems to be one of the countries i see being annexed and reformed after a revolution all the time in the game ^^.
I also have never seen Italy being formed (or Rev. France, Germany...). Only Great Britain, Scandinavia and Spain seem to be "regulars".
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Yeah, Italy doesn't form because France/Burgundy/Austria tend to grab up the north. I've seen Naples get close a few times, but it always inevitably gets pushed back by Austria or France.
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Does that mean in your games Switzerland normally dies/shrinks too?
I played Switzerland kinda often so i did not let that happen but in the games i saw Switzerland basically allways stayed the same or, if anything, grew (took some german minors).
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Switzerland usually very slowly gets eaten thanks to Border Disputes in my games, but it's usually around in one form or another for the entire game.
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In my games, Switzerland basically never changes shape unless i directly do something. They don't seem to expand a lot, but since they are within the HRE, they also don't shrink a lot. Also, they are mostly mountains which take ages to siege, so that might help with that, too.
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On November 07 2011 20:21 Simberto wrote:
In my games, Switzerland basically never changes shape unless i directly do something. They don't seem to expand a lot, but since they are within the HRE, they also don't shrink a lot. Also, they are mostly mountains which take ages to siege, so that might help with that, too.
Mountains don't take longer to siege, they just give a big defender's advantage in battles.
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On November 07 2011 20:16 Pewt wrote:
Switzerland usually very slowly gets eaten thanks to Border Disputes in my games, but it's usually around in one form or another for the entire game.
Yeah same here. Usually Austria, but sometimes Milan takes one province. If you interfer and beat up Austria and Milan, SW eats up the German minor to the north. Baden is the one right?
Then again in most cases it just stays the same.
I've never seen Germany formed - or anyone evern conquering enough up in northern Germany to even have a chance to make it, even if they don't have cores. Imo there should be a mission that fires when you get 4 or more provinces or something and have German culture to form it, as by then you should be strong enough to beat up the OPMs, and Germany is jut cool to have in a game 
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Switzerland always gets missions to Annex or Vassal Baden and some other "northern" minors (+ some Austrian provinces), they also like to just deflect or can be "spied" to you pretty easy .
The probelm i had with forming germany (as switzerland) was, that some of the German Minors had colonies by the time i "arrived"... So i couldn't annex them (damn you Mecklenburg)... And i failed to find theri colonies and had not much of a navy because i concentrated on Europe.... It just takes SO MANY COUNTRIES... To form it...
... I probably should have "lost" a war to Mecklenburg and given them a shitton of money so they would mvoe their capital ^^.
Btw: It's pretty "insulting" that Switzerland is able to form Germany and gains benefits from it... I mean, there is a reason Switzerland exists and is not German/French/Austrian/Italian ^^.
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On November 08 2011 01:23 Velr wrote:Switzerland always gets missions to Annex or Vassal Baden and some other "northern" minors (+ some Austrian provinces), they also like to just deflect or can be "spied" to you pretty easy . The probelm i had with forming germany (as switzerland) was, that some of the German Minors had colonies by the time i "arrived"... So i couldn't annex them (damn you Mecklenburg)... And i failed to find theri colonies and had not much of a navy because i concentrated on Europe.... It just takes SO MANY COUNTRIES... To form it... ... I probably should have "lost" a war to Mecklenburg and given them a shitton of money so they would mvoe their capital ^^. Btw: It's pretty "insulting" that Switzerland is able to form Germany and gains benefits from it... I mean, there is a reason Switzerland exists and is not German/French/Austrian/Italian ^^.
What's that?
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On November 08 2011 01:23 Velr wrote:Switzerland always gets missions to Annex or Vassal Baden and some other "northern" minors (+ some Austrian provinces), they also like to just deflect or can be "spied" to you pretty easy . The probelm i had with forming germany (as switzerland) was, that some of the German Minors had colonies by the time i "arrived"... So i couldn't annex them (damn you Mecklenburg)... And i failed to find theri colonies and had not much of a navy because i concentrated on Europe.... It just takes SO MANY COUNTRIES... To form it... ... I probably should have "lost" a war to Mecklenburg and given them a shitton of money so they would mvoe their capital ^^. Btw: It's pretty "insulting" that Switzerland is able to form Germany and gains benefits from it... I mean, there is a reason Switzerland exists and is not German/French/Austrian/Italian ^^.
Bohemia can form Germany aswell, just ignore it, its just a game.
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I'm not insutled but it puzzles me a little that a game which seems to kinda care for accuracy in many other aspects misses such things.
I mean, i would kinda "get" it if Switzerland could also found Italy (and France, but that allready exists) but only Germany? I see like no reason for this ^^.
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On November 08 2011 01:43 Slegg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 01:23 Velr wrote:Switzerland always gets missions to Annex or Vassal Baden and some other "northern" minors (+ some Austrian provinces), they also like to just deflect or can be "spied" to you pretty easy . The probelm i had with forming germany (as switzerland) was, that some of the German Minors had colonies by the time i "arrived"... So i couldn't annex them (damn you Mecklenburg)... And i failed to find theri colonies and had not much of a navy because i concentrated on Europe.... It just takes SO MANY COUNTRIES... To form it... ... I probably should have "lost" a war to Mecklenburg and given them a shitton of money so they would mvoe their capital ^^. Btw: It's pretty "insulting" that Switzerland is able to form Germany and gains benefits from it... I mean, there is a reason Switzerland exists and is not German/French/Austrian/Italian ^^. Bohemia can form Germany aswell, just ignore it, its just a game.
Bohemia can't actually, as you have to be in the German culture group. Bohemia is in the Slavic one, iirc.
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So I'm kinda stuck. Give me an idea as to where I go next. Here's a screenshot at 1485 (I'm the Romans)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Ks88.png)
Serbia, Urbino, and Wallachia are my vassals. I'm allied with Athens. Castille is Defender of the Catholic Faith which is why I can't take Cyprus or just attack Athens because they kick the shit out of me. I'm paying tribute to the Golden Horde (like 8.7/month) so I'm debating on attacking them to get that off of my back. I'm also debating on attacking Syria because they're only vassals of the Qarak Halu or w/e they're called and I've beaten the nomads like 4 times. The Timurids stretch all the way to India and about 90% of the Arabian peninsula so I can't attack them because they're strong as hell.
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On November 08 2011 02:50 hpty603 wrote:So I'm kinda stuck. Give me an idea as to where I go next. Here's a screenshot at 1485 (I'm the Romans) Serbia, Urbino, and Wallachia are my vassals. I'm allied with Athens. Castille is Defender of the Catholic Faith which is why I can't take Cyprus or just attack Athens because they kick the shit out of me. I'm paying tribute to the Golden Horde (like 8.7/month) so I'm debating on attacking them to get that off of my back. I'm also debating on attacking Syria because they're only vassals of the Qarak Halu or w/e they're called and I've beaten the nomads like 4 times. The Timurids stretch all the way to India and about 90% of the Arabian peninsula so I can't attack them because they're strong as hell.
Go get Italy back. For the glory of Rome!
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