Europa Universalis 3 - Page 68

On November 02 2011 11:36 Euronyme wrote:


It doesn't have to be on the same continent though. It just has to be 250 of whatever metric they use in EU3.
Continents doesn't really matter for anything apart from tech destribution.

On November 02 2011 19:35 Velr wrote:
So, when I move my capital to Havanna NA and SA should be "close" or am i missing the "Land-Bridge" (from the last posts here I guess I would count as MA/NA and would need a Land bridge from there)?.


LR because I feel a lil bored :
I yesterday started a new game as Switzerland:

0: Startup:
"Get some money/wait to for your first president/get an alliance for "useful cassus bellis":
Money: Autosend Traders to everywhere (Switzerland starts extremely strong here.. And it's free trade sliders are nowhere near maxed (yet).
President: Took "Military candidate" in 1404 and got a genius 8/6/9 or something like that :D. Made him a General and he even lived long :D.
Alliance: Milan (+ other Italians that asked themselves for it).

1.1: Get ready for colonizing:
"Get a core in some province with sea access asap".

I got a Cassus Belli on Ferrara (which always starts as the leader of a PU with Modena). They were allied with Milan, but Milan was already getting mauled by Austria...
Results: Annexed Modena, Vassaled Ferrara in "my" wanted war, Austria allied with me after this war .
Later I could vassal Milan in a war that I did not want . Maneuvered thru various small wars whiteout any damage which I used to get more money (war taxed, thanks Austria/Call to Arms).

"The Map":
The Ottomans invaded south Italy (Naples was left only with Napoli and Sicilly got the Urbinese provinces but lost actual Sicilly ^^). Nothing special aside from that.


1.2: Wait for Modena to become a Core and get rich (so around 1460, now it was ~1420?):
Action: "Go to the toilet and just let it run on max speed (whiteout saving beforehand, that would be boring ) and hope that not too much happened":

The Return:
First look: My beloved and important Modena belongs to Siena (Siena wasn't existent before and I forgot to set my army on "hunt rebels").
Second look: All of Milan belongs to Siena (WTF bloody rebellion batman)...
Third look: Tuscani too... Actually Siena is the biggest Italian country (allied with Genua and Sicilly) O_o...

The Plan:
Quickly build up an army and declare war, I should be able to handle them when I do this quick... but it could get ugly (my General was awesome so I wasn't too worried).
What happened:
Austria to my surprise decided my war was just and played defender for me .
Result: Annexed Liguria (Centre of Trade!)/Lombardia/Malta (Holyday resort) and got Modena back. Milan was "recreated" (5 province Vassal). REALLY good result.
To note: I stayed in the HRE to not piss of Austria and just took the "unlawful territory" hits.

Fun: Malta instantly revolted and I had no possibility to build a Ship -.-. So it later defected to "The Knights" which were instantly at war with me... I raised war taxes and was minding my own business, when war fatigue got a lil high i "Called to Arms" and my Vassals quickly won Malta back for me (the Knights are now extinct ).

The Map:
Bohemia (HRE) expanded FAR to the east and was pretty big (will probably end in a big Novgorod/Golden Horde/Bohemia-Brawl there).
Austria seemed to not like Bohemia (they had some wars, but I never got involved, excellent ).
Burgundy pushed France to the east coast and looked frighteningly big (but Austria is my friend so everything is okay).


1.3: Wait for Liguria to become a Core (~1470) and get rich.
Action: "Wait and this time actually look at the screen".

What happened:
I got involved into various bigger and small wars under Austrias lead (against Bohemia, Bavaria.. several times against Venice..) but never had to do much and only used them to get some army tradition by sieging basically defeated enemies .
I Diplo-Annexed Ferrara.
I expanded my Influence because, well there wasn't much to do ^^.

I'm just not good at waiting:
By 1460 I was bored (I sat at nearly 0 Inflation total whiteout using a Master of Mint still making "winnings" per month) and just waited for Liguria to become a core.

I declared war on Bavaria... Austria followed me... Tons of german countries got involved... Rumble in Europe . I ended the war by "taking" Parma and vassaling Baden. The others I let go with some ducats/white peace (I wasn't interested in BIG European gains but wanted to be a certain size to be able to fight against the big players when I have to ).

1470.. FINALLY! (I ended the war in 1469 ).

2:1 "Colonize!"
Africa:
So I built 2 Transport ships and set for the African coast. I colonized Sierra Leone (which neighbored Mali) and "shuffled" 15k of Troops there.
Declare war on Mali.. Take all their Ivory/Slave/Gold provinces (the African nations were really ncie, Mali actually had 0 grain provinces, just the good stuff and all else was owned by some other tribe.. I could just annex them fully and be happy ).
Bam, I was a serious colonial power! .

2.2 "Colonize!!"
Caribean:
Took my 2 Transport ships, set them towards SA/Caribean... Lost them whiteout seeing anything because something took my attention .
With new Ships I made it and began to colonize the islands... Sadly Portugal and Castille were already in SA so I decided to at first take over the Caribean.. Aside from 1 Island everything there is mine now.
Somehow war started in Europe and I was in the middle of it (Austria wasn't my ally anymore but kinda fought on my side while Burgundy wasn't involved, so it again, wasn't that dangerous). Scotland attacked my Caribbean colonies but I could "send" them home.

Result: Several new Vassal/Provinces... 26 Infamy (which is unfortunate because I have like 5-6 unlawful territories making this a bitch to reduce-.-)... And I colonized the full Caribbean aside from one island which belongs to Portugal -.-. My Trade income went from a little over 100 to under 40 but my finances are still not that bad (I just need a Master of Mint again).

"The Map":
Austria is kinda big, but not a giant.
Bohemia is a giant, but nearly extinct in middle europe (looks more like a horde country ^^).
Burgundy is really big (but likes me for some reason).
Castille already founded Spain and is just now eating Portugal.
Looks pretty interesting so far .

2.3 "Colonize!!!"
South/Middle America (and later leave the HRE to move my capital).

It's now about 1515 and Switzerland is a big european player (behind Burgundy, Bohemia, Austria and Castille in pure size but far ahead in like every important Tech) and I'm the biggest colonial power. Only the Infamy (still at 17) is slowing me down a little atm...



Seems like I finally got the hang of this game, took long enough ^^.

On November 02 2011 17:58 Simberto wrote:


I am pretty sure that you are wrong about that. For example, when i conquered africa as Songhai, every single island which belonged to africa in the area mapmode was not distant overseas. And many of them, like for example Madagascar, are far more than 250 distant from my capital in Gao somewhere in West africa.

However, things like a little part of Spain i grabbed were distant overseas, even though it was much closer to my capital then those islands.

I just did some tests. I moved my capital to Adana in Turkey which was not connected to anything else by land. It is a part of Europe. All of Europe, including Iceland, were not distant overseas. There also seems to be a very small area which can belong to other continents and ist still not distant overseas. In this test, it ranged up to Damaskus, Dayz az Zor and Sidon. Everything further away was distant overseas. This is about 3-4 provinces away. So while there is a very small zone which is exluded, the main things need are either being on the same continent, or having a landbridge.

On November 02 2011 23:11 Euronyme wrote:




"Criteria

A province is considered overseas when all of the following conditions apply:

The province is in different continent than the capital.
The distance from the capital is greater or equal to 250.
Doesn't have a land connection to the capital. "


http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Overseas_tariffs

Pretty sure it's 250.

On November 03 2011 02:53 Simberto wrote:


Hm. That must be a different 250 then when colonizing or trading. 250 when colonizing is about the distance from holland to the azores, if i remember correctly. In the game i am playing at the moment, colonizing range of 400 is about from italy to capetown. With a trading range of 900, i can easily trade to china. Just test it out yourself, load some safegame and move your capital to the edge of another continent without having a landbridge and look how far away the provinces are not considered distant overseas. I would guess it is maybe 50, but not more. But it surely is not 250.

On November 03 2011 04:07 Simberto wrote:
Yes. Because it is on the same continent.

On November 03 2011 04:21 Ramong wrote:
A colony and distance oversea ain't the same
The Azores is a colony because you have to use colonists to colonize it but it is not distance oversea because the Azores is in Europe

On November 03 2011 06:45 Euronyme wrote:
Are you going to form Spain?

Edit. Dude form France! You know you want to!

On November 03 2011 08:16 Caller wrote:

if i wanted to form spain or france, i would've picked castille or france

i could technically form iberia, but why would i do that?

On November 03 2011 06:37 Caller wrote:
I wrote a really good post for this bit of the AAR but I lost it three times so I'm assuming it's divine will that I don't write this bit of the AAR up. I will let the pictures speak for themselves.